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Rand Paul is serious about ending mass incarceration ("Expanding welfare for ex-prisoners")
Vox ^ | April 7, 2015 | Dara Lind

Posted on 04/08/2015 2:39:38 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 04/08/2015 2:39:38 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Welfare should be a temporary crutch, not a cure. If he really wants black votes by saying more people should get out of jail and go on welfare, his thinking is shallow. There are many other options for black Americans, I know for a fact.


2 posted on 04/08/2015 2:57:25 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I find Rand Paul to be scary. Saw the beginning of his announcement and found his supporters to be scary.

Its an increasingly creepy world.


3 posted on 04/08/2015 2:57:33 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: elhombrelibre

Our present approach makes it very difficult for a person released from jail to support himself legally.

You have to admit that’s an idiotic policy if we’re trying to bring down recidivism.

Policy changes that would make sense, however, aren’t obvious.


4 posted on 04/08/2015 3:03:14 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Incarcerating citizens for cannabis is the real criminality.

Give the current oppressors a time machine and GW, TJ, and most of our founding fathers would have their doors kicked in with guns blazing.

Alcohol prohibition gave us Al Capone and the Kennedys!

Cannabis prohibition has given us Hussein and the Sinolas!

Do ya notice a pattern here yet?

5 posted on 04/08/2015 3:10:35 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,)
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Just remember that nonviolent crimes include burglary, auto theft, drug dealing, pimping, identity theft.

Eric Garner's "harassment" is on the head of Deblasio who ordered the cops to go after the loosie sellers.

His death was due to his criminal history, poor health and resisting arrest.

Don't know where Garner got his cigs but black market sales of gigs in NYC are a huge source of funding for hamas and other terrorists.

I was done with Paul long ago.

6 posted on 04/08/2015 3:11:34 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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You are correct about current policies. The punishment in a lot of cases becomes lifelong. I can see some merit in his proposals.


7 posted on 04/08/2015 3:12:23 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We do have a prison industrial complex that is killing us and has to go. There are far too many “crimes” created by our metastasized governments.

However, on the other end of the issue, we need to end “life imprisonment” with a swift death penalty for ALL violent and perverse sexual felonies. Murderers, rapists and molesters need to be hung or shot within weeks not years of conviction.

Addressing both ends of the issue would help get things done politically.


8 posted on 04/08/2015 3:25:53 AM PDT by Theophilus (Be as prolific as you are pro-life.)
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idiotic statements like this shows me he is just pandering and taking a page out of Sharpton’s book.

“Any law> that disproportionately incarcerates people of color is repealed

yes he actually said that in his speech, the man is plain nuts and even more scary than Hillary and that is something.


9 posted on 04/08/2015 3:27:37 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Eagles6

I don’t consider burglary nonviolent (perhaps that was your point).

It is violence to ones home and well being and can escalate to death very quickly.

It needs to be punished severely.


10 posted on 04/08/2015 3:38:38 AM PDT by DB
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To: Rich21IE

People say Rand is different from his old man, but I’m not so sure. He makes me uneasy and I’ve had enough uneasiness for the past 8 years.


11 posted on 04/08/2015 3:40:30 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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The more he opens his mouth and more I think he is plain nuts and more in common with Obama.

Actually he is Obama Iran talks.
immigration
homosexual agenda
drugs
“Any law> that disproportionately incarcerates people of color is repealed”
pandering to blacks with comments like that.
reduced military.
no leadership overseas .

Infact he is more to the left on some policies than obama


12 posted on 04/08/2015 3:47:51 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
At the same time, there's at least one space where he's strengthened an unorthodox policy position: reducing mass incarceration.

Oh, couldn't we just deport all the criminals to Australia?

13 posted on 04/08/2015 3:49:21 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: fatnotlazy
People say Rand is different from his old man, but I’m not so sure. He makes me uneasy and I’ve had enough uneasiness for the past 8 years.

Like his old man, Rand is nutty. He's just nutty in different ways. Ron was nutty re national security, but in many ways, his nuttiness makes sense on some level given that we could dismantle our alliance system, stop becoming a crutch for our treaty allies, become the Switzerland of the world and nobody could touch us. Switzerland has terrain that makes it difficult for invaders. We have oceans on each side, and weak neighbors to the north and south. And we have 300m people to supply and fight a war, making us a hard target for any country in the world.

Whereas Rand is proposing changes that will make our neighborhoods and work places more dangerous. Mentally-speaking, there is something seriously wrong with the Paul clan, and it's getting worse with each new generation.

14 posted on 04/08/2015 3:51:11 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Eagles6

“Just remember that nonviolent crimes include burglary, auto theft, drug dealing, pimping, identity theft.”

“non-violent” convictions are also often plead-downs from violent crimes too. A guy beats and robs someone. The police catch him, and he has coke. Often it’s much easier to drop the (harder to prove) assault charges if he agrees to plead guilty to the coke charges, which are a sure bet.


15 posted on 04/08/2015 4:02:55 AM PDT by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win (see my home page))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder if the same people showing some support for Paul also agree with him that Voter ID laws are racist.


16 posted on 04/08/2015 4:04:13 AM PDT by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win (see my home page))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Paul’s outsized concern with Black criminals and illegal Hispanics as victims does not bode well for a potential presidency.


17 posted on 04/08/2015 4:11:18 AM PDT by montag813 (Pray for Israel)
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“non-violent” convictions are also often plead-downs from violent crimes too. A guy beats and robs someone. The police catch him, and he has coke. Often it’s much easier to drop the (harder to prove) assault charges if he agrees to plead guilty to the coke charges, which are a sure bet.

Precisely. With a drug offense, the cop's testimony re possession is sufficient. With other offenses, victim testimony may be required and that can be iffy, especially if the perp has a violent reputation.

18 posted on 04/08/2015 4:25:59 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The cost to taxpayers for incarceration a prisoner is phenomenal. Prison should be for violent offenders. Drug addiction is a medical condition unless the addiction leads to a crime. People who commit crimes against property should be put to work on public projects like building roads or cleaning trash and made to pay back what they took.

I prefer Cruz or Walker, but even Paul is better than another DemocRat.


19 posted on 04/08/2015 4:28:27 AM PDT by ZULU (Je Suis Charlie. . GET IT OBAMA, OR DON'T YOU??)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut.

I, too, favor emptying the prisons. Prison is a social catastrophe, creating many more crimes (by criminals whose criminality is greatly enhanced by their stay in prison).

Unlike Rand, however, I would accomplish reduction in the prison population by radical expansion of the death penalty and physical punishments.


20 posted on 04/08/2015 4:29:28 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. .)
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