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Enough Fighting: Time for Libertarians and Conservatives to Unite [retread zot]
Raging Against The Rhetoric ^ | 03-18-2015 | Jackie Wellfonder

Posted on 03/23/2015 7:54:24 AM PDT by Kaled

Conservatives often find themselves at odds with the libertarian crowd. However, is that anger really warranted?

As President Reagan once said, “If you analyze it, I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.”

True conservatives and libertarians, let’s not pretend there aren’t fakers on both side, all agree on the fundamentals: limited government, personal responsibility, and economic freedom. Neither group wants the government interfering in our daily lives and telling us what we can and cannot do. Now there may be slight disagreements on how that plays out in the policy arena, but we should not allow that to stop us from working together.

Our primary focus needs to be on reigning in spending, and returning power to the states where it belongs. The government has overreached time after time with blatant disregard for the boundaries set forth in the constitution. It’s time for conservatives and libertarians to put aside our differences, and work together.

As Morton Blackwell, President of the Leadership Institute, says, “You owe it to your philosophy to study how to win. You have a moral obligation to learn how to win.”

When are we going to realize that what we are doing isn’t working? We are going to keep losing elections until we get this right, and America will pay the price.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky
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To: Kaled
The only major policy issue that conservatives and libertarians agree on that we've had success in implementing is lowering taxes.

This has resulted indirectly in massive deficits. Since the federal government is the only branch of government that is allowed to run deficits forever, more and more power has devolved to the feds.

The libertarians hope that we can get rid of entitlement programs so that the only illegal aliens that come here will be hardworking ones, but that ain't happening any time soon.

Meanwhile we have turned Grover Norquist into a demigod because he's agin taxes more'n the rest of us. Supposedly.

21 posted on 03/23/2015 8:28:00 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Poison Pill

“Libertarian” has a respectable intellectual history.

Unfortunately, these days it’s more likely to mean nihilist, anarchist, libertine or just plain old doper.


22 posted on 03/23/2015 8:29:26 AM PDT by hlmencken3 (I paid for an argument, but you're just contradicting!)
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To: Kaled
...and supporting the 2nd Amendment. So when the SHTF, if it does, then conservatives and libertarians will be well armed for the anarchy that ensues.

That's not much of a Plan B.

23 posted on 03/23/2015 8:29:42 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Kaled

About the only thing Conservatives need to understand that will bring them close to Libertarians is this:

ANY law passed, no matter how good its intentions, will be perverted to increase the power of the government and the people who control it.

This is especially true of things like drug laws and civil rights laws.


24 posted on 03/23/2015 8:30:25 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Poison Pill
There is a HUGE disconnect between libs and conservatives. Not just politically, but religously as well. Here's another recent article outlining the differences between Christianity and libertariansim.
25 posted on 03/23/2015 8:34:14 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility.)
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To: Kaled

You’re trying to pre-qualify the comments Mr. Bundy made as racist, they weren’t. Only in the fertile and fetid minds of liberals are they.

When did you stop beating your male lover Kaled? See how that works?

His comments were taken completely out of context and edited in such a way as to paint him as a racist in order to undermine his credibility. All so that the leviathan that is the USG could steamroll this man and his family.

In the entire video, if you took the time to actually watch it, he made valid comparisons...the types of comparisons liberals don’t want made or published.

The Dems have replaced plantation slavery with welfare slavery and it has DESTROYED the black families...

You’re a disturbed malcontent on this forum...


26 posted on 03/23/2015 8:35:33 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: MaxMax; Kaled
When I see stories like these it's usually from the left telling the GOP to step in their line, and not their own.

You are correct, MadMax. Kaled is a leftist troll.

27 posted on 03/23/2015 8:36:50 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The FCC takeover of the internet will quickly become a means to censorship of dissent.)
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To: SZonian; Darksheare; Kaled; Admin Moderator
You’re a disturbed malcontent on this forum...

Nossir. Kaled is a leftist troll.

28 posted on 03/23/2015 8:37:41 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The FCC takeover of the internet will quickly become a means to censorship of dissent.)
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To: Kaled
Er, what's your point? Are you trying to say that Cliven Bundy's racist rant is inoffensive?

Yes, it was inoffensive. And it wasn't racist.

Troll.

29 posted on 03/23/2015 8:38:43 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The FCC takeover of the internet will quickly become a means to censorship of dissent.)
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To: Lazamataz

I see you’re latched on to this one like a ‘gator so I tried a slightly different interpretation of troll. ;^)

It’s feeling quite bold...and I’m watching it run with the line...it’ll be time to set the hook soon.


30 posted on 03/23/2015 8:44:09 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian

Dude should watch out for guys like me. I make hobbies of men.


31 posted on 03/23/2015 8:44:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The FCC takeover of the internet will quickly become a means to censorship of dissent.)
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To: Lazamataz; TheOldLady; darkwing104

It’s playing the “if I ignore him, he’ll go away” game.

Thing is, he’s a rank amateur if it thinks we play like that.

I suspect it may run for deep cover soon...I notice that it’s replies lack any substance other than to stir the muck...

I’m feeling ozone in the air...


32 posted on 03/23/2015 8:49:11 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Kaled; humblegunner; Lazamataz
Here is just a little sampling of big "L" liberaltarianism courtesy of the ever pandering Randy Paul ....

Rand Paul's NYPD Shooting Blowback

Rand Paul Blames Politicians for Ferguson Tragedy

Rand Paul Defends Obama Against Dick Cheney

RAND PAUL: IT'S AMERICA'S FAULT

Rand Paul: Let’s face it, it’s going to be difficult to repeal ObamaCare at this point

Rand Paul Touts GOP Unity, Endorses Susan Collins 'Wholeheartedly' in Maine

Rand Paul Wants Bigger GOP: ‘You Go to a Republican Event and It’s All White People’

Rand Paul: Amnesty Legislation Could Pass This Year

Rand Paul seeks new allies among Romney 2012 team

McConnell: Rand Paul can 'count on me' for 2016

NO THANKS!

33 posted on 03/23/2015 8:50:40 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: SZonian; Lazamataz; Old Sarge
I’m feeling ozone in the air...

And it's MULTI-THREADED!

34 posted on 03/23/2015 8:53:49 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Here's another recent article outlining the differences between Christianity and libertariansim.

That simply makes no sense, given that the Founder of Christianity made a clear distinction between Caesar's realm and God's realm, and the two are on opposite sides of that divide.

35 posted on 03/23/2015 8:55:05 AM PDT by Kaled (Ronald Reagan: If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism)
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To: Poison Pill

and who do you hear it from??

the social(ist) conservatives..

these are the people that want to rule your life every bit as badly as those on left...

the only difference is the side of the political spectrum they want to rule you from...

face it, the government knows what is best for you, and the social(ist) conservatives will take every opportunity to make you aware of this...


36 posted on 03/23/2015 8:55:05 AM PDT by joe fonebone (a socialist is just a juvenile communist)
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To: Servant of the Cross; Lazamataz; Old Sarge

Yep, this one is spamming FR hard today...


37 posted on 03/23/2015 8:56:41 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian; Kaled
It’s playing the “if I ignore him, he’ll go away” game. Thing is, he’s a rank amateur if it thinks we play like that.

He doesn't know about Laz, does he.

I don't let go.


38 posted on 03/23/2015 8:57:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The FCC takeover of the internet will quickly become a means to censorship of dissent.)
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To: Lazamataz
I make hobbies of men.

Most guys prefer to make hobbies of women, but, hey, whatever floats yer boat.

39 posted on 03/23/2015 8:58:16 AM PDT by Kaled (Ronald Reagan: If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism)
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To: SZonian; Servant of the Cross; Lazamataz

Spring Break brings them out, when they have free WiFi from Mom’s Basement...


40 posted on 03/23/2015 8:58:22 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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