Posted on 01/27/2015 9:42:27 AM PST by GIdget2004
Top leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints called Tuesday for passage of laws granting statewide protections against housing and employment discrimination for gay and lesbian Utahns as long as those measures safeguard religious freedom.
The move, one LGBT advocates have been pushing for years, provides a major boost for the prospects of nondiscrimination ordinances on Utah's Capitol Hill. Such proposals have been bottled up in the Legislature for years despite the church's historic endorsement of similar protections in Salt Lake City ordinances in 2009.
Utah's predominant faith issued the plea for such measures at all level of government during a rare news conference, featuring three apostles Elders Jeffrey R. Holland, Dallin H. Oaks and D. Todd Christofferson and a high-profile women's leader, Neill Marriott, second counselor in the church's Young Women general presidency.
"We call on local, state and the federal government," Oaks said in a news release, "to serve all of their people by passing legislation that protects vital religious freedoms for individuals, families, churches and other faith groups while also protecting the rights of our LGBT citizens in such areas as housing, employment and public accommodation in hotels, restaurants and transportation protections which are not available in many parts of the country."
Mormon officials "believe laws ought to be framed to achieve a balance," Oaks said, "in protecting the freedoms of all people, while respecting those with differing values."
(Excerpt) Read more at sltrib.com ...
If anyone denies me anything, I’m going to become gay as a May Pole and scream for my rights.
Prove I’m not.
Sounds like the lyrics to Sweating Bullets by Fred Mollin. My favorite B detective show.
Or maybe it’s “we don’t care what you do with your plumbing as long as we get your tithing”.
Follow the money.....
Well, of course there's no essential difference!
This is all fresh out of block -- and Ripliancum, being the devoted Mormon apologist he is, (perhaps) instsead of giving feedback to the Lds general authorities "powers that be" -- he rushes out to attempt "damage control" PR-wise.
Folks, on where people's "identity" unveils itself, it shows:
1. Mormon -- and Mormon apologist -- first.
2. "Conservative" ... somewhere way down the line.
Mormon leaders rushing to make "sexual orientation" a civil protection in housing and employment has been going on for over five years:
Examples:
* Homosexual rights: Mormon church supports Salt Lake City's protections for gay rights
and Mormons Back Salt Lake City Gay Rights Laws
OKAY, compare the Trib's excerpt that GIdget2004 posted above -- versus the following almost 100-word excerpt on this same focus -- published in today's KSL.com:
SALT LAKE CITY Senior LDS leaders reiterated Tuesday the churchs longstanding support for laws that ensure fair access to housing and employment for LGBT people while safeguarding religious freedom. Three apostles and one of the faith's women's leaders clearly outlined the position at a landmark news conference. Elder Dallin H. Oaks of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles called for governments to seek balance when considering nondiscrimination laws. "Today, state legislatures across the nation are being asked to strengthen laws related to LGBT issues in the interest of ensuring fair access to housing and employment," he said...
Source: LDS leaders reemphasize protection of religious freedoms, support for LGBT nondiscrimination laws
Mormons worship the almighty dollar, and homos have lots of dollars their cult has been missing out on...this is no surprise.
Willard’s after his Log Cabin Republican vote again...
Mitt Romneys 1994 Letter To The Log Cabin Republicans
Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney doesnt spent much time during the Republican primary talking about his past support for gay rights. But in a 1994 letter to the pro-gay Republican group The Log Cabin Republican seeking their endorsement Romney said he would cosponsor Federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act, eventually support gays serving openly in the military, and said he would help achieve equality for gay and lesbians that his opponent Ted Kennedy could not.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romneys-1994-letter-to-the-log-cabin-republi#.noVJbObW4
Log Cabin Republicans Endorse Mitt Romney
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/log-cabin-republicans-mitt-romney_n_2006348.html
Log Cabin Republicans Endorses Mitt Romney
http://www.advocate.com/politics/election/2012/10/23/log-cabin-republicans-endorses-mitt-romney
Romney’s Private Promises to the Log Cabin Republicans
http://www.thenation.com/blog/170777/romneys-private-promises-log-cabin-republicans
Follow the money.....
The check must have cleared.
What does this have to do with Mormon teachings?
Gloating is so unprofessional. :/
Yup.
GOV. Romney | Mormon 'scripture' & History | Sources | Quotes |
Gov. Romney pro-civil unions for same-sex couples 2002-2005 (before he turned against it) and he is still in favor of taxpayer-funded domestic partnership benefits for sexual minorities. He says he supports 'Partnership agreements'. Also, Gov. Romney sucked up to the Bay State Gay Log Cabin...saying he would give the GLBT youth funding a greater spotlight at the fed level to emulate he was endorsed twice by the Log Cabin Club of MA; he said in 1994 and reiterated in 2007 that he was in favor of forcing businesses to hire alternative sexual minorities (in 94 he wanted feds to do it; now he wants the states to do it...his third position on that issue). | Recent Lds history: Homosexual rights: Mormon church supports Salt Lake City's protections for gay rights and Mormons Back Salt Lake City Gay Rights Laws | 10 reasons Christians should reject Romney and Mitt Romneys deception, His Stealth Promotion of Gay Rights and Gay Marriage in Massachusetts, book by Amy Contrada | Per Amy Contradas book, Mitt Romneys deception, His Stealth Promotion of Gay Rights and Gay Marriage in Massachusetts, Gov. Romney, from 2003-2006: worked closely with homosexual activists and pro-gay rights advisers; implemented gay marriage through his executive departments without legislative authorization, violating the Massachusetts Constitution; pushed a constitutional amendment strategy doomed to failure, and ignored the call to remove the activist judges who ruled for gay marriage; funded and promoted GLBT indoctrination in the public schools through his Governors Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth, and his Department of Education Safe Schools programs; undermined religious freedom, failing to defend Catholic Charities in the homosexual adoptions fiasco; continued or implemented radical homosexual and transgender programs in his executive departments. |
The positions stated in the LDS news conference today, 27 Jan 2015, are consistent in every way that I know with the Mormon scriptures and their prophets’ charitable teachings and practices over the past 200 years.
As a practicing Mormon for the past 55 years (I plan to keep practicing until I get it right), I can say without equivocation that we have been taught consistently by the prophets to respect the agency of all of God’s children - never to harm or intimidate or force. We members do some strange, misguided things, often out of harmony with what the scriptures and the prophets have taught us. Mormons are just people - but we know that Heaven has called prophets in these days, and we are mostly trying to model our lives after the Savior who said, “If ye are not one, ye are not mine.”
Apostle Jeffrey R. Holland said today that nothing is achieved if we resort to bullying, political point scoring, accusations of bigotry or other forms of compulsion. I suggest that each of us look around and judge that statement against what we see in the world around us. He was, I believe, speaking to the great polity of good people on this earth, whose hearts yearn for thoughtful, courteous discourse and the good of all.
However, we all know that there are a few powerful people in this world, many of whom are at the highest levels of government, business and organized crime, who achieve their own selfish ends through bullying, accusations, and manipulation of the press and illicit political coercion.
Let’s all do what we can where we are to be active partners with the former group. Let’s each beware and resist the latter group. By their fruits ye shall know them.
From your only post, "I can say without equivocation that we have been taught consistently by the prophets to respect the agency of all of Gods children" your education is lacking in the history of your leaders' attacks on "God's children".
Here is a sample of the "respect" given to Christians by those leaders:
"...if we resort to bullying, political point scoring, accusations of bigotry or other forms of compulsion."
And just who, might I ask, is doing such things?
Surely not the mormons and other faiths. They may be accused of such, but the opposite is truth. Strawman.
No, I suspect that once again, blind obedience to the "prophet" takes precedence over actually looking at the slide the mormons have been taking the past few years. Afterall, if the "prophet" is questioned, one's temple recommend is now forfeit, thus celestial "glory" is as well.
"By their fruits ye shall know them." Yes, one of the most abused scriptures in history...Churches that enjoin policies that place young people at risk of being abused by homosexuals should be scrutinized, harshly. I look at SLC's "fruits" these past couple of years and what I see on the vine is rotten...
Especially after SLC consented/approved the BSA's membership policy change to allow OPENLY homosexual kids in Scouting.
Tell us, JonathanCV the Mormon...how is one of those alleged "scriptures" ... doctrine & covenants 134:12 ... "charitable" toward either blacks who were slaves back in the day when Joseph Smith penned it? Or even toward woman & children in the sex trafficking enslavement today?
For those who aren't Mormon, allow me to review to "catch you up" on D&C134:12:
Its mid-1835. Smith is churning out new Scripture. Smith is taking aim at new converts. But in that time, did he believe the Mormon gospel to be aimed at slaves? (No, not unless express permission was granted by their owners).
JonathanCV claims that Mormon "scriptures" are consistently "charitable" ... which by extension means he defends this verse...allow me to cite it:
We believe it just to preach the gospel to the nations of the earth, and warn the righteous to save themselves from the corruption of the world; but we do not believe it right to interfere with bond-servants, neither preach the gospel to, nor baptize them contrary to the will and wish of their masters, nor to meddle with or influence them in the least to cause them to be dissatisfied with their situations in this life, thereby jeopardizing the lives of men; such interference we believe to be unlawful and unjust, and dangerous to the peace of every government allowing human beings to be held in servitude.
Could you imagine a verse still applicable todayone similar to the Mormon scripture of Doctrine & Covenants 134:12which would tell you in effect that yes, the gospel was for women who are sexually trafficked--but only if their Pimp-owner says "Yes?".
I mean, imagine if you will, for a moment, that you are the God of the universe; God of every planet; God of the earth; Creator of every person. Imagine for a moment you are speaking forth universal eternal truth. And then imagine that someone claims you (as God) made the above supposed Scriptural statement?
FACT: D&C 134:12 is LDS Doctrine that has never been removed or rescinded!!! This passages makes it quite clear in contrast to the apostle Paul who vied for the religious freedom of Onesimus while treating him as a full Christian brother and encouraged Philemon to do the same--somehow, LDS think that "religious freedom" applies to everyone except slaves!
D&C 134:12, written in 1835 pro-slavery America, made it quite clear that instead of the Mormons having a universal god who issued eternal truth applicable to all cultures, he is instead an American-sounding god who speaks only in King James English & was beholden to the American slavery industry.
D&C 134:12 "settles" the issue for the Mormon: Are slaves & trafficking victims worthy of the "gospel?" LDS Answer? Nope! Smith diarrhea of the pen included the phrase "neither preach the gospel to, nor baptize them..." says LDS "Scripture.
And why not?
Well, says D&C 134:12: We don't want ya ta meddle with the 'Mastuhs' business property, or to say it as precisely as LDS "scripture" says it: "nor to meddle with or influence them in the least to cause them to be dissatisfied with their situations in this life..."
(Nah. We can't have unhappy slaves or trafficking victims now, can we? Too disturbing to their "stations" of life, eh?)
Now what are the ultimate reasons for this again? D&C 134:12 provides the answer:
Reason #1: ...such interference we believe to be unlawful and unjust... (There ya have it...wouldn't want to be "unjust" by giving slaves the gospel & baptizing them, would ya?)
Reason #2: ...and dangerous to the peace of every government allowing human beings to be held in servitude. (And, of course, the "closer": Wouldn't want to disturb the peace & quiet of slavery-sanctioning governments, now would ya?)
How dare you JonathanCV defend ALL Mormon "scriptures" as "charitable" in light of the above!!!
Did you all notice how JonathanCV just slips in this propagandic phrase...as repeatedly fed to him by the Mormon general authority...as if it was "so"???
Jonathan, the last time I opened up a copy of a Mormon KJV Bible or Quad ... the following two verses from Hebrews 1:1 and 2 were in there:
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake
Tell us, Jonathan, exactly how long have you had this basic problem of not knowing the basic definitions of "time PAST" versus "THESE LAST DAYS"???
And, since, in effect, Jesus is THE eternal "prophet," why do you keep putting mere men up on a pedestal replacing Him in that role???
Alright, when the Mormon Church filed a lawsuit vs. Canadian Mormon polygamist Winston Blackmore and his Mormon offshoot church, I understood part of it.
The part I don't understand -- which Blackmore just agreed to this month -- is how he...
"...consented to a court order earlier this week that bans him from using any variation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and forbids him from interfering with the church's use of the word Mormon."
Source: The Canadian Press:Mormon church wins fight with B.C. polygamous leader
How is it that your Mormon Church -- IF it "respects the agency of all of God's children" -- become an 800 pound gorilla and file lawsuits versus people using the word "Mormon?"
Sounds religiously hypocritical to me!
Why, you might as well be the local motel owner who knowingly rents out rooms during the day to the local prostitute who uses them for anything but sleep!
OK Jonathon...
So you just signed up today and you said you are a mormon and treat everyone the same...
you mention things like “accusations of bigotry” among your comments...
If you want “accusations of bigotry” against your chosen religion, you may have some from me..
I have ancestors who very happily and contently died as Christians and were buried as such many years ago..
Now we both know that Mormons claim Christianity and the Christian Bibnle is different from Mormonism and the Mormon religious book, the book of Mormon...
My ancestors lived either before Joseph Smith wrote his book of Mormon or they probably never heard of him or his religion..and if they had they would have rejected his ignoble butt..and his false religion..
IOW they only wanted the LORD Jesus Christ and no other gods nor any man called “prophets” Joseph Smith and Mohammad included..
Some time after my illustrious ancestors expired Mormons decided to dead dunk errr “baptize” them out of Christianity and into your chosen religion Mormonism..
Not only that but they “sealed” them to all living descendants including me, a child at the time..
Although I was not asked, I became a Mormon too.. and gained the honors and anointings and exaltations bestowed upon my dearly departed ancestors..through that same so called “sealing”
(I’m probably more mormon than you yourself..and I cannot be excommunicated...)
Now I ask you, is that not bigoted of the Mormons to do that to my former Christian ancestors ???
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