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White Florida deputy shoots black man [career criminal] who witnesses say had hands up
Reuters ^ | December 8, 2014 | Barbara Liston

Posted on 12/09/2014 5:52:26 AM PST by grundle

Edited on 12/09/2014 6:31:47 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

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To: AppyPappy

“should not be grounds for an execution.”

As I understand it, the man is recovering in the hospital...so lets not spread dirt on his coffin lid just yet.

I wasn’t there of course...but reconstructing it in my mind:

The cop had his gun out, which is expected based on my years of watching COPS. They always pull their guns out for felony stops...and it stands to reason that the cop could only respond by shooting, if his gun was already out.

Now I ask you - if anyone has a gun pointed at you, cop or not, what are you going to do? Are you going to do exactly what he says...or are you going to stick your hands in your clothes?


61 posted on 12/09/2014 7:33:33 AM PST by lacrew
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To: albie
No, no proof, however,a comment at one of the stories about this murder...

"Lottacats says: December 9, 2014 at 1:25 am Before I read the above comments, I want ya’ll to know this girl went to school with my daughter. My daughter is a little older but I’ve been feeling so sad since I heard about this. I am so glad you’ve picked up on this story. I don’t live in Courtland but close enough in Panola County. I do know from talking to my daughter she had been dating a black guy, was breaking it off with him because he beat on her. My daughter last saw her several months ago when she came into her work sometime several months ago and told her about this. I also heard her father was not happy with her dating this black boy. I’ll add anything I may hear. Justice for Jessica!"

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/12/08/mississippi-burning-jessica-chambers-murder-they-squirted-lighter-fluid-down-her-throat-and-in-her-nose-then-set-her-on-fire-in-her-car/

62 posted on 12/09/2014 7:36:32 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Post of day!

If his hands were up, his pants would have fallen down.

63 posted on 12/09/2014 7:39:14 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: lacrew

The article said his hands were up. I’m only going by what is in the article.
I understand shooting someone if they have a weapon. But there was no indication that a weapon was present. This sounds more like “He wasn’t following my commands so I shot him”.


64 posted on 12/09/2014 7:39:37 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Chickensoup

Do you honestly expect, in this atmosphere of “blacks can do no wrong”, “ALL whites are evil racists”, to find “stronger sources” with regards to a 19 year old white girl being murdered in such a savage manner?

Look at the national blackout on the Christian/Newsome mutilations/murders....how many “strong sources” reported on them?


65 posted on 12/09/2014 7:40:13 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: AppyPappy

I think the problem with numerous furtive movements is the possibility that the suspect is frantically trying to find a gun or knife they stashed within arm’s reach.


66 posted on 12/09/2014 7:41:44 AM PST by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

Or trying to get his pants to stay up.


67 posted on 12/09/2014 7:45:38 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

With all those past arrests and sitting in a stolen car with a cop pointing a gun at you, thinking about doing hard time, you should probably let go of the pants. At least you can moon the cop for arresting you.
If you’re under gunpoint in a stolen car, do you really worry about a weed conviction?


68 posted on 12/09/2014 7:48:41 AM PST by ransomnote
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To: AppyPappy

“The article said his hands were up”

“I’d hate to think I would be shot for trying to hide my weed.”

These two statements don’t fit together very well. He can’t have been shot both while his hands were up and also while he was ‘hiding weed’. It has to be one or the other.


69 posted on 12/09/2014 7:48:49 AM PST by lacrew
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To: lacrew

Who said his hands were up and who said he was moving his hands around?


70 posted on 12/09/2014 7:50:50 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: grundle

The national race hustlers will manipulate and incite with everything they have on this one. The potential loss of revenue to Orlando area attractions Disney, Universal, et al caused by rioting and violence is too big an extortion carrot to pass up.


71 posted on 12/09/2014 7:56:24 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: rktman

Isn’t amazing how quickly the word gets around. Let’s repeat the chorus, black folks; the lack of truth will set you free.


72 posted on 12/09/2014 7:59:21 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: grundle

I’m with you. I’m sick and tired of all this racist white cop crap. I can’t watch the news anymore. I could give a rats ass.


73 posted on 12/09/2014 8:04:39 AM PST by fightin kentuckian
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To: CodeToad

“I don’t care if a car thief with 45 past charges was shot.”

Me, neither. He was a predator on society.


We have a justice system and I don’t much care for your idea of justice. Cops who execute criminals when their lives are not in danger, are criminals. You are calling for Mexican “justice.” Move to Mexico.


74 posted on 12/09/2014 8:04:39 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: AppyPappy

“Who said his hands were up and who said he was moving his hands around?”

Well, I used quotes in my previous post because they weren’t my words....

In fact they were yours.


75 posted on 12/09/2014 8:25:41 AM PST by lacrew
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To: grundle

I don’t trust “witness” statements. Police shootings have been politicized, and it’s always “unarmed”, as if that matters, and always “hands up, don’t shoot”. Video or it didn’t happen.


76 posted on 12/09/2014 8:37:50 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: AppyPappy
What evidence would lead you to believe I was reaching for a weapon as opposed to hiding my weed?

Evidence? Hey, he made a sudden move out of my line of sight. If I waited I might be the one shot. Weed was the last thing on my mind; I wanted to go home after my shift. Now I have to live with what I did. < /cop's perspective* >

(Full disclosure: am not and never have been a police officer, just projecting my own reactions. Your mileage may vary.)

77 posted on 12/09/2014 8:52:16 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Iron Munro

The perp could be a quadriplegic and the Black witnesses would swear he was standing there with his arms up.


78 posted on 12/09/2014 8:54:29 AM PST by DoughtyOne (GOP. GOPe. GOPeGads! GOPeWWWWWWWWWWWWW...)
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To: AppyPappy

“I’m failing to see why the shooting was necessary. I’d hate to think I would be shot for trying to hide my weed.”

Allow me to explain why the cop made a “good shoot” in this case.

1. Many (all too many) younger black criminals have rap sheets and therefore police reasonably may assume you to be a greater risk of violent resistance than white suspects.

2. When an officer is arresting you for a felony level crime, keep your hands in sight - lest the officer assume you are reaching for a gun.

3. If you want to be treated by the police as a law abiding American, BE A Law Abiding American.

4. Regardless of your color, if the officer knows you have a criminal record, he will treat you as a criminal and therefore more dangerous than a law abiding citizen.

5. Remember than threatening or criminal behavior may result in anyone legally shooting you if they feel you pose a threat of severe injury or death.

6. Being black in absolutely no way at all gives you any “right” to be a criminal.

7. Americans, like Moses and Jesus, believe in private property. Criminals do not. Criminals were always dealt with in the past, usually by their victims who simply shot them.

8. America is returning to its historic reliance on self protection and being at all times armed.

9. Acting in ignorance of the above may result in your lawful death.


79 posted on 12/09/2014 9:02:46 AM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est. Because of what Islam is - and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: SaraJohnson

You totally missed my point, but thanks for proving what an illiterate you are with a major reading comprehension problem.


80 posted on 12/09/2014 9:06:58 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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