Posted on 11/21/2014 11:27:08 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Immigration Service is self-funding via fees. Except for a few small portions, theres no appropriated money going into it. So when the gvt shut down last year it was exempt from the shutdown and stayed open.
So the default position for it is “open”, and it would only close if the President ordered it closed. Or signed a bill ordering it closed.
The only working option would be to sneak a provision into the CR directing immigration not to purchase or create green cards above FY14 levels. Then dare the President to shut down the entire government over that one clause.
Oh, yeah. Stop funding for enforcement. That’ll work. [Little irony and sarcasm there.]
Forget these surgical strikes.. Go for the whole enchilada. Prosecute Obama for his numerous illegal actions, from bombing Libya without consent of Congress to releasing 5 Taliban commanders without notifying Congress. Obamacare lies and unilateral changing of laws on Obamacare and immigration.. There’s more than enough for prosecution on violating his oath of office.
RE: Oh, yeah. Stop funding for enforcement. That’ll work.
The problem we have is not enforcement, it is DELIBERATE NON-ENFORCEMENT.
How do you use the power of the purse against that?
RE: There’s more than enough for prosecution on violating his oath of office.
AKA Impeachment, right?
There only needs to be authorization, which is part of the Budget, not Appropriations process.
They’re two different, altho related, processes. With different House and Senate committees.
HEllo!
Defund the Whitehouse in its entirety.
They may not be able to "defund", but they can pass legislation that prohibits any funds, regardless of the source, be spent for those purposes. That would also prevent Obama from moving money around to pay for it.
So rather than worrying about "shutting down the government" by withholding funding for a specific department, they should pass a short-term CR, but have a clause in the bill to prohibit any money be spent by any department or agency of the US government to provide work permits or take any other actions to implement the steps laid out by Obama last night. Now Obama could veto it, but he could not credibly claim that the GOP was "shutting down the government", since the bill would contain funding for all legitimate government functions - it would just contain restrictions on how that money could be spent.
Of course, it would be up to the GOP to make the case to the people that Obama would rather refuse to fund the government than allow any restrictions on his amnesty plan. And based on recent history, the ability of the GOP leadership to communicate even a simple message like that is doubtful.
I’m just SURE 0bama will sign it.... LOL
Are there 66(or is it 67) Senators to override a Veto? I doubt it....
BCIS has several areas that use appropriated money. The big one is the one that runs e-Verify. Which is what allows employers to check whether a hire is a legitimate, legal immigrant.
Not sure how shutting that part down really benefits us ...
RE: Are there 66(or is it 67) Senators to override a Veto? I doubt it....
The new Senate will only have 54 Republicans, so that answers your question right there.
During the Clinton impeachment trial, we had 55 Republicans in the Senate. And only 45 voted to convict and remove ( and even if all 55 did, it would not have been enough to remove him ).
RE: they can pass legislation that prohibits any funds, regardless of the source, be spent for those purposes.
Yes, and I’m sure Obama will sign that legislation into law ( HA HA HA ).
That sums it up rather nicely.
“It is unclear if congressional Republicans can actually defund the executive action, given that the agency that processes work permits, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, is funded through application fees and not subject to the appropriations process.”
Doesn’t matter. They can pass a bill that makes it illegal to spend anything on implementing his amnesty.
They wouldn’t be able to use the fees to fund it then, the money from fees would go into treasury.
It’s a risky dare: will Obama shut down the entire government to preserve funding for a program most Americans disagree with.
And if he does, will the GOP be able to successfully make the case that he’s the one to be held responsible for it.
Of course we’re talking about bills put forward by the new Congress. Because with Harry Reid still Senate Majority Leader there’s no way that a CR with a defund provision will ever reach Obama’s desk.
They can attach a bill defunding amnesty to funding the military. He can’t veto military funding without generating the votes to override his veto!
useless
FY14...excellent idea.
You know, give the way Dingy Harry has acted it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the Senate refused to override a DoD approps with a defund clause in it.
BTW, does anyone know offhand when this EO actually goes into effect? If it’s sometime next year there’s no need to get spun up over a short term funding CR that keeps the gvt operational until the new Congress.
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