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FBI Director Warns Google and Apple "If You Don't Decrypt Phones, We'll Do It For You"
Townhall.com ^ | October 19 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 10/19/2014 12:42:34 PM PDT by Kaslin

The Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution is crystal clear in meaning.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

FBI Director, James Comey, an Obama appointment, does not give a damn what the Constitution says.

In a recent speech, Comey warns If Apple and Google Won't Decrypt Phones, We'll Force Them To

Everyone is stoked that the latest versions of iOS and Android will (finally) encrypt all the information on your smartphone by default. Except, of course, the FBI: Today, its director spent an hour attacking the companies and the very idea of encryption, even suggesting that Congress should pass a law banning the practice of default encryption.

It's of course no secret that James Comey and the FBI hate the prospect of "going dark," the idea that law enforcement simply doesn't have the technical capability to track criminals (and the average person) because of all those goddamn apps, encryption, wifi network switching, and different carriers.

"Encryption isn’t just a technical feature; it’s a marketing pitch … it’s the equivalent of a closet that can’t be opened. A safe that can’t be cracked. And my question is, at what cost?" Comey said. "Both companies [Apple and Google] are run by good people, responding to what they perceive is a market demand. But the place they are leading us is one we shouldn’t go to without careful thought and debate."
Safe That Cannot be Cracked

A safe that cannot be cracked and a door that cannot be opened except by the rightful owner is precisely what everyone should want. It's what the Constitution explicitly states. Instead, Comey wants the right to read your papers and search your effects.

Perhaps it’s time to suggest that the post-Snowden pendulum has swung too far in one direction—in a direction of fear and mistrust," claims Comey.

Excuse me, but what pendulum is Comey talking about?

The privacy pendulum has not budged an inch in the right direction. Not one new privacy law has been passed or even discussed.

To prove how much above the law these law-enforcement jackasses are, one Pentagon official stated "I would love to put a bullet in Snowden's head".

No one threatening to kill Snowden has been censured.

For blatant disrespect of the US Constitution, Comey ought to be fired, but there's nary a peep from Obama.

I suggest we need a cultural change from the top down starting with a p


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: comey; fascism; fbi; jamescomey; obama; privacy; transparent
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To: Swordmaker

yea though I walk through the Valley Of Obamaville”


81 posted on 10/20/2014 7:03:16 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill)
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To: Sherman Logan
The idea here is that these files can’t be accessed even with a warrant. I have no idea whether that’s really true or not.

It's not. In most cases, it doesn't matter how strong the encryption is because the idiot user neglected to securely delete the original documents after encrypting them or used his cat's name for the password or something. In the few cases where encryption is used correctly, it can still be overcome by planting key-capture software to get the password.

That gives the feds all the access they need to investigate actual suspects. It's too much work to snoop on everybody, which is what they want to do, Constitution or no Constitution.

82 posted on 10/20/2014 7:03:19 AM PDT by e-gadfly
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To: T-Bird45
Case closed, figure out how to do your job without snooping. You know, like listening to your field agents

The Feds got a specific warning about the Boston Marathon bombers, but didn't pay any attention. I'm convinced that their obsession with scooping up everybody's private information is actually making them LESS effective by distracting them from real danger signals.

83 posted on 10/20/2014 7:05:00 AM PDT by e-gadfly
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To: PapaBear3625
The current case law is that the government cannot require you to hand over the key, but can require you to hand over deencrypted files containing the specific information described in the warrant.

Obviously, if the cops have a legitimate warrant, you can't refuse to let them in on the grounds they'll find something that will incriminate you. You can strictly limit their search to the parameters of the warrant. Those principles apply to both physical and electronic searches.

84 posted on 10/20/2014 7:12:43 AM PDT by e-gadfly
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To: zeugma
What would be interesting is for Apple or Google to one-up the Feds and make it not only encrypt by default, but to also wipe by default if a “wipe” password is used. In other words, you’d have two passwords. The one you use when you want to use your phone, and one to give to the government when it is prying into your life.

Any competent investigator is going to start by copying the encrypted data and working on the copy, in order to overcome that tactic.

85 posted on 10/20/2014 7:17:15 AM PDT by e-gadfly
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To: zeugma
Addendum: Some crypto systems (such as the defunct TrueCrypt project and its current successors VeraCrypt and CipherShed) have a "plausible deniability" arrangement -- you can set up an encrypted volume with two passwords, which reveal two different sets of contents (one decoy and one real).
86 posted on 10/20/2014 7:19:46 AM PDT by e-gadfly
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To: Sherman Logan
For example, my understanding is that if I'm arrested, legally, for any reason, my wallet and other records I have on my person at the time will be searched, with the information found potentially used against me at trial, perfectly constitutionally.
Cell phones are simply an extension of this.

Not so.

The Supreme Court brought the constitutional right of personal privacy into the digital era Wednesday, ruling unanimously that police may not search a smartphone or similar device without a warrant from a judge....

Until Wednesday, the court’s long-standing view was that police were free to search someone who was stopped on the street or in his car and put under arrest. Officers could check a suspect’s pockets and examine his possessions, including a wallet, purse and pockets.

The intention was to allow police to protect themselves by finding weapons. But they were also free to collect evidence, such as drugs, stolen goods or papers that might lead to other suspects.

This was known as the “search incident to arrest” rule, and it had been set out in 1973 by then-Justice William H. Rehnquist. A few years later, Roberts came to Washington to be a law clerk for Rehnquist, and in 2005, he succeeded him as chief justice.

In Wednesday’s opinion, Roberts said Rehnquist’s “categorical rule” for allowing the police to freely search “physical objects” did not make sense when those items were electronic devices....


87 posted on 10/20/2014 7:25:30 AM PDT by e-gadfly
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To: Kaslin
"Encryption isn’t just a technical feature; it’s a marketing pitch … it’s the equivalent of a closet that can’t be opened. A safe that can’t be cracked. And my question is, at what cost?"

Freedom. The Constitution.

88 posted on 10/20/2014 7:42:06 AM PDT by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Kaslin
“Perhaps it’s time to suggest that the post-Snowden pendulum has swung too far in one direction—in a direction of fear and mistrust," claims Comey.

He claims the pendulum has swung too far in the direction of fear and mistrust, so as a remedy he wants the government to have free access to all your stuff.

89 posted on 10/20/2014 7:46:00 AM PDT by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: All

Does this FBI director like the cloud too? He can snoop all those databases at will.


90 posted on 10/20/2014 8:50:55 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: faithhopecharity
the only thing worse than criminal conduct out here in society is the criminal conduct of those in public office

Yes, it bothers many of us that those in public office selectively choose who will be allowed to break the law. And whose illegal conduct will be whitewashed and covered up. And how they entrap and wrongly punish others who have done no wrong. Laws are meaningless now. People should be secure against snooping by government, because government is corrupt.

91 posted on 10/20/2014 12:50:18 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: roadcat

Correct.


92 posted on 10/20/2014 12:51:28 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..) u)
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To: Cboldt
On further searching .. Apple slaps a passcode lock on iOS 8 devices, but cops can still inhale your iCloud - UK Register: 23 Sep 2014

This article purports to quote from Apple's previous privacy remarks:

Apple can perform this data extraction process on iOS devices running iOS 4 or more recent versions of iOS. Please note the only categories of user generated active files that can be provided to law enforcement, pursuant to a valid search warrant, are: SMS, photos, videos, contacts, audio recording, and call history. Apple cannot provide: email, calendar entries, or any third-party App data.

FWIW, that article is pretty informative.

Apple has replaced the "previous privacy remarks" with the new sweeping statement that ALL data uploaded from customers' devices with passcodes are "already encrypted before Apple receives it." It is then anonymized and then broken into smaller packets, additionally 256 bit encrypted again, where it is stored for retrieval only by its owner. Even Apple cannot decrypt it to useable form. "Cops can still inhale your iCloud" but all they will get is undecypherable mixed up gobble-de-gook without your key that may be mixed with other users data encrypted with other keys.

93 posted on 10/20/2014 12:51:47 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: e-gadfly
Any competent investigator is going to start by copying the encrypted data and working on the copy, in order to overcome that tactic.

I remember the early days of floppy discs on personal computers. People were pirating software by making copies. So creators were hiding sectors of data on hidden tracks not normally accessible by regular copy software. Can't do that with digital storage media where there are no tracks. Now one method is to bury data within other data, so when decrypted it looks ordinary; but the private stuff is hidden within the ordinary data with a second level of encryption.

94 posted on 10/20/2014 12:58:13 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Mariner

I very much appreciate and support most of what the FBI does, but this sounds like a dictatorship not USA.

Perhaps if we can elect better politicians, we will get more respect for our rights?


95 posted on 10/20/2014 1:00:15 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..) u)
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To: roadcat

You would think since practically everyone is online that software on CD/DVD could require an extra download for activation and every copy can only get one activation code or something.


96 posted on 10/20/2014 1:01:09 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Cboldt
Apple cannot provide: email, calendar entries, or any third-party App data

Note that "call history" and "third-party app" data can be subpoenaed from carriers and the providers of the third-party app publishers, assuming the app uploads anything to the app's servers. Apple cannot prevent the authorities getting that.

97 posted on 10/20/2014 1:16:48 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: GeronL

When I said digital storage media, I should have clarified it by saying USB sticks, Solid-state drives and the like. CD/DVDs are similar to floppy discs in that you can have hidden tracks.


98 posted on 10/20/2014 1:16:54 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Kaslin

Let such a bill come to a vote, by all means.


99 posted on 10/20/2014 1:35:47 PM PDT by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the Republican Party does not want you.)
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To: e-gadfly
Any competent investigator is going to start by copying the encrypted data and working on the copy, in order to overcome that tactic.

But you have to have the passcode to gain access TO even copy the data from the device. . . otherwise ZAP. Apple has entangled the passcode with a hardware generated hash available only on and unique to each device. . . Good luck with that approach.

100 posted on 10/20/2014 1:36:48 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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