Posted on 08/21/2014 8:25:04 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
yeah, hard to believe isn’t it? One of our instructors told us it was going to stop everybody.
Needless to say none of us were gullible enough to believe that.
hey, guess what, not only do I not make 200,000 a year and not have a fat pension and not have medical benefits when I retire but I don’t know anybody that works outside of the stupid state of California that does. I pay into my pension I have to take care of my retirement medical costs just like everybody else Take That and stick it in your hat.
you are example of fishermen and tree cutters who have more dangerous jobs and I do does not correlate. It does not correlate because I am NOT coming and watching you cut the trees and telling you how to do it because I don’t know how to trim a tree I don’t know how to run a fishing boat I don’t L fishing boat operators how to catch fish or pull up crabs because I don’t know how to do that and I am NOT an expert in it.
I wants watch the guy cut a tree I thought it was crazy was doing a terrible job but I didn’t automatically make myself an expert and assume I knew how to do it better.
I also have never seen a tree decide to fight back against the guy with the chainsaw or the crabs rise up and decide they’re not going to be taken alive
it is obvious this is more about your emotions revolving around horrible pension plans in states like California than it is about anything else.
Kindly note that I am not advocating a bean bag shotgun has the only option, or even as the primary option. But in some cases it could be one option out of many.
I remember when a few large American police dept.’s tried to get 9mm handguns and retire the good old revolver. Politicians screaming that giving cops 9mm’s would essentially give the cops a green light to shoot minorities. The same with Tazer’s. Some large departments wouldn’t issue Tazers to road cops.
It all depends on the powder charge behind the bean bag.
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- knock on my front door
- my “Gun Lobby” has .45 Long Colt, .45 Scofield, .44 Special, .44 Magnum revolvers displayed in exquisite taste on the walls
- eyes pop
- snoops leave fast
A drugged out idiot with a knife shouldn't have to die just to make you feel safe in an inherently risky job, especially when it isn't necessary. The officer had time to talk to him and get him to drop the knife. The officer had a backup safely on the other side of the car aimed and cocked if the guy made a truly dangerous move. If you don't trust your partner to make that shot, then you have no confidence in your profession and training.
The job of a police officer is to take risks to preserve life. If you don't like the risks attendant to the job, quit. We'll find someone else willing to take those risks.
you are example of fishermen and tree cutters who have more dangerous jobs and I do does not correlate.
Sure it does. Fishing is a profession. So is police work. Fishermen don't have unions. They don't get retirements. They take big risks in return for a paycheck to put food on the table. They take much bigger risks than you, for much less. Hence, it is entirely legitimate for me, as your employer (at least in terms of role), to ask you to take those risks to preserve life in return for that paycheck.
Believe me, I understand those risks. I lived for nearly a decade on the waterfront in downtown Oakland, CA. I knew hookers, street bums, fishermen, loser intellectuals, longshoremen, bureaucrats... Many of them had bad days and drug problems, but they didn't deserve to die for it just because some cop is unduly afraid to try to talk them down before taking their life. In my opinion as a citizen voting for people who make those hire and fire decisions, a person willing to kill before accepting those risks is unfit for the profession.
Unionized "officer safety" work rules are what has brought us to the point that NYPD is making 400 no-knock raids a month, with TEN PERCENT to the wrong address. How many people should have to die defending their homes because of this mentality?
I just took & passed my CCW qualification course. We were taught to aim center of mass. The goal is not to wound or kill or anything other than STOP THE THREAT.
If the instructor had said, “OK, your next five rounds will be aimed where you want to wound your attacker but not kill him”, I would have said “HUH!!?”
I’m not that good a pistol shot (my wife is much much better, using a .45) and I aim center mass both to stop, & to place as many rounds as possible into, the target.
Simple.
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- interesting : http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/21/swat-lobby-takes-a-shot-at-congress.html
- a Ford Interceptor would be useless tonight in Ferguson Missouri
- Why leave our HD high-tech stuff of ISIS - ISIL - IL - or whatever Beery Husseina Ebola (junior) calle the sub-human scum in Iraq & Syria
Deliberate leg-shooting is not on the table here - that’s a Hollywood fantasy. But tasering definitely should have been used, as well as situational maneuvering to different sides of the perp by each cop and a whole lot more talk-down. These two cops simply used the fact of the threatening situation itself as the sole excuse to fire - and keep on shooting. What is the goal, to kill, of to neutralize the threat? Time was on the cops side. A single shot, then wait, could have been enough. Center of mass doesn’t mean fire soon and empty the magazine. Cops are not badged executioners, and they have volunteered to go looking for trouble. Finding what they are paid to look for and trained to deal with is not a license to kill. Otherwise screw the police altogether - let’s just bring in the military and have them blow away everyone for twitching. After all, people can be dangerous, better safe than sorry, right?
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- You Betcha!
- I’ll also use a 16lb. sledge, BIC pen, or a 4WD -—
— .38 - .39
- whatever it takes (I do not recall who said that but i sure remember it!)
- What is the crapola about taking chances against crazies & thugs & the sub-human lowlifes?
- We all pick our paths in life and we all should not endanger innocent people - OR TAKE THEIR STUFF!
- They like to piss people off - I tend to consider thugs that Obama & Holder embrace as creeps to avoid &/or deal with in whatever method necessary - i do not need 150 Secret Service Agents to protect me - esp. the many affirmative action drunks and bums currently doing “golfer” duty -
- be good - or else -
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- You cannot guarantee that your 1st shot will hit you target or stop a BG
- I am purty fair shot on moving targets and in dark situations - but I started at about 7 years old and was trained to be safe around dangerous wild animals and snakes and careful around the horses and cattle and the 7-10 other youngsters hunting in out tall grass pastures at night.
- I have had baracks hunting hundreds of yards away hit the barn I was working in when i was in my early teens and the after warning them (politley) I had to grab my semi-auto carbine, jump on big Palomino stallion and run these two bastards down in a muddy ditch. I started counting out loud to 10 - but somehow my carbine barked off 4 quick shots.
- Many FReepers appear to have led sheltered lives with few adult responsibilities
- I was far from town - Both the Police Chief and the Sheriff gave me this advice :
- Carry your carbine
- If “they” have weapons but will not leave - scope them and fire
- If ‘’they” then attempt to shoot at you - put the scope on their heads and “fire for effect”
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No you cannot guarantee your first shot will hit.
But who are “you”?
A resident dealing with a break-in in the middle of the night? An armed civilian dealing with an attack?
Or two trained cops armed to the teeth in broad daylight with time, position, backup and authority on their side?
Situational awareness and conditional responsibility are the BIGGEST aspects of using a gun. Starting with: you don’t shoot if you don’t have to shoot.
Please. Your ignorant posts are painful to read. The nut had a knife and deserved to be put down. If not, he could have easily stabbed and killed the cop closest to him.
Good thing your carbine fired on its own, otherwise you'd be responsible for murdering two people in a muddy ditch. Because that's what you're saying, right? Otherwise, you fired four times and missed with every shot and are blaming your weapon.
Many FReepers appear to have led sheltered lives with few adult responsibilities
It doesn't seem you know much about adult responsibilities, let alone other FReepers, so I'd drop that argument if I were you.
Your judgment doesn't impress me.
The nut had a knife and deserved to be put down.
Who elected the government that make you legislator, officer, judge, and executioner? If yours was the standard of a conservative, it would never sell.
If not, he could have easily stabbed and killed the cop closest to him.
Not before the second shot him. Go watch the video again. You're full of crap.
Whatever. Go join up with Al and Jesse if it upsets you so much.
Another case of “Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes.”
Taking lessons form Saul Alinsky are you? Two can play that game. I'd ask for a refund if I were you.
“The officer had time to talk to him and get him to drop the knife.”
And therein lies the problem.
Some people, deep down, do not believe that some individuals _want_to_kill_them_, and will not be swayed by words or threats or shows of force, and care not about whether they may die in the process.
In this case, the perp was going to kill a cop (or come just a twitch away from doing so). Nothing says “drop the knife” louder than two cops with guns drawn and pointed at him, yet he was not dissuaded. He did not pause to talk. He did not hesitate in contemplation of his rapidly diminishing probable lifespan. He knew exactly what he faced. He got the message, it’s ingrained deep in our social consciousness. No question, no hesitation, he marched right up to them with a knife drawn and radiating his own “I’m gonna kill you right now” message.
Yet the “but what about talking/beanbags/shoot-to-wound/retreat/whatever” people insist that no matter what the circumstance, no matter how simple and clear the scenario is, there _must_ be _something_ that could have been done to dissuade the attacker. The horrible reality is: sometimes there isn’t. Talk? this guy got the message loud and clear, and wasn’t interested in “talking”. Beanbags or other “non/less-lethal” options? if it doesn’t immediately incapacitate him, he’s continuing his mission to kill - and anything capable of immediate incapacitation rapidly moves into the “lethal” category because that’s human physiology. Shoot to wound? Wilson shot Brown FOUR TIMES IN THE ARM and the perp continued his gallop toward finishing off the cop whose skull he had already cracked. Retreat? you can’t move backwards faster than an attacker can forwards, and “run away” cedes lethal power to the evil.
This guy was gonna kill a cop.
Nothing was going to stop him but immediate incapacitation.
The difference between “incapacitate” and “kill” is often very small, if any.
Believe it, naysayers.
Some people do, in fact, want to kill others - and NOTHING will stop them short of being killed or gravely injured.
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