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The costly fantasy of impeaching Obama: The way to punish a president is at the polls
The Washington Times ^ | July 14, 2014 | Wesley Pruden

Posted on 07/15/2014 9:12:27 AM PDT by EveningStar

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To: Colonel_Flagg

It may be a strange concept to understand, but he is referring to the nation. During the Clinton years every word written by Wesley Pruden was applauded on FR, but it seems that may have been just a passing fancy.


61 posted on 07/15/2014 10:56:21 AM PDT by billhilly (Its OK, the left hated Bush.)
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To: TexasCajun

Why would winning the Senate make any difference? Republicans will never win the 2/3 of the Senate required to convict. Winning a majority, they still wouldn’t have enough votes even if every single republican senator voted to convict. With the GOPe in charge, you can be certain not every republican would vote for conviction.

There are so many cowards in the republican party it’s nauseating. I’m glad the Founding Fathers didn’t wait for a sure thing to do what is right. I can’t imagine how ashamed they would be if they could see how we’ve ended up.


62 posted on 07/15/2014 11:01:48 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: txhurl; Principled; Sherman Logan
Remember, I'm just an amateur at this.

At the beginning of the US Constitution, Article I Section 2 says about voting for the US House of Representatives, "The Electors [voters for US House reps] in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature."

So that recognizes the right of each state to determine who can vote. It's subject to *specific* later US Constitutional amendments, i.e., you can't keep someone from voting based on race or sex. But there's nothing in there about paupers.

That's why the states can bar felons from voting. Some states do, some states don't. It's up to the individual state. Eric Holder doesn't like barring felons, but there's nothing he can do about it. The Constitutional principle of states determining qualifications for voting (subject only to *specific* Constituional clauses) is well-recognized.

The expert who posted to me had a lot more to back it up, but that's what I remember.

63 posted on 07/15/2014 11:19:20 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: MUDDOG; Principled; Sherman Logan; txhurl
MUDDOG is right. State power to determine elector quals is clear as can be in Article I Section 2, first paragraph.
64 posted on 07/15/2014 11:23:03 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Jacquerie

You were actually the next name I was going to suggest.


65 posted on 07/15/2014 11:26:33 AM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: Jacquerie; MUDDOG; Sherman Logan; txhurl

Well that would go a long way to preventing the takers from overtaking the makers.

What qualifications would you set forth if you could decide?


66 posted on 07/15/2014 11:28:26 AM PDT by Principled (Obama: Unblemished by success.)
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To: Principled

It’s not the voters I would overhaul but their vehicles: absentee ballots, processes which permit primary crossover voting, lack of electronic voting analysis, all the machines and processes that are hacked every election.


67 posted on 07/15/2014 11:36:09 AM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: Principled
It's like manufacturing decaf coffee -- it's easy to get the first 95% of the caffeine out, but each extra percent is more and more difficult to get out.

So I'd keep it pretty simple. Just the big welfare programs. And you might have to limit it to state welfare programs; if you included federal programs, you might run into the same difficuties that states did who tried to pass immigration laws.

68 posted on 07/15/2014 11:36:50 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: EveningStar

impeaching a president (even one deserves impeachment as much as dictator Obama) whom the public does not want to impeach will inevitably cause a backlash that will help him.

A democracy is only as good as its people, and the goodness and smartness of ours is going down hill fast.


69 posted on 07/15/2014 11:37:56 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (racism--the first refuge of the modern scoundrel)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Apparently I made it up after investigating. He needs to be ruled ineligible for office by first having his first XO declared unconstitutional. The first XO, I believe, was to lock his records.


70 posted on 07/15/2014 11:45:12 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Principled
I have nothing radical to suggest. I would use the framing generation's concept of “no will of their own.”

People on welfare, food stamps, in prison, etc are wards of the state to some degree and should not be able to vote for taxpayer provided bennies.

IOW, if these programs did not exist, I would have no problem with universal suffrage in House elections for those over . . . 29 years of age.

Limit suffrage to self-sufficient adults, divide power once with a senate of the states and perhaps we can save ourselves.

71 posted on 07/15/2014 12:21:02 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Which of Clinton’s executive actions were repealed when he was impeached?

I don’t see in the Constitution any wording to this effect?


72 posted on 07/15/2014 1:06:59 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: EveningStar

In other words, the President will not be held accountable for anything.

There is no balance of powers in Washington.

The Rule of Law has been suspended for the Elite.

Congressional Republicans are spineless and more concerned with the approval of the MSM than they are of upholding their OATH of office.


73 posted on 07/15/2014 1:36:46 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: hattend; ImJustAnotherOkie
ImJustAnotherOkie may be thinking of Obama's "recess" eappointments to the NLRB.

When the Supreme Court ruled that the Senate was not in recess and therefore the appointments were not valid, that probably invalidated the NLRB rulings made by Obama's appointees.

74 posted on 07/15/2014 1:48:16 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: EveningStar

The election will be our savior grace! That is, if the then newly elected Republican House and Senate can actually pass legislation and cut off budgets that have the effect of halting Obama’s well laid plans for American decline.

Months ago, some of us were speculating about just what will be the next great Obama scandal to emerge. Illegal border invasion was an easy guess. What is now just coming to light is the complex and vast network of government agencies and Obama serfs that have created what amounts to an “Under and Overground Railroad”, this time not to help runaway slaves to achieve freedom, but to massively import illegals from anywhere that will wind up voting Democrat.

He wouldn’t do that, would he? He couldn’t, could he? Open your eyes, it is happening before you. This is whole thing is remarkable and devastating in its implications, and he obviously is not through. So, you think Boehner and who ever leads the new Republican Senate can undo this and Obamacare too? I’d like to see some evidence that they have the stones and the backbone to do so. Sadly, I feel we will be disappointed.

So, can you blame the individuals and the soon to be rising chorus of those who have reached the end of their patience, for their calls for impeachment? This is not an example of political extremism or irrational behavior. It is an expression of frustration with the mainly ineffective opposition to the Obama crime regime, and an attempt at self defense. Can you blame them?


75 posted on 07/15/2014 4:34:38 PM PDT by Richard Axtell (This is my clever tagline.)
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To: Cubs Fan
Impeaching a president (even one deserves impeachment as much as dictator Obama) whom the public does not want to impeach will inevitably cause a backlash that will help him.

A democracy is only as good as its people, and the goodness and smartness of ours is going down hill fast.

Good point.

Unless you actually catch a president committing an actual crime people can understand, impeachment won't go anywhere.

Otherwise people assume presidents are going to overreach and write the whole thing off as politics.

Maybe things should be different, but if they were, we wouldn't have gotten to the point we're at now.

76 posted on 07/15/2014 4:40:16 PM PDT by x
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To: EveningStar

What good is winning at the polls if we cannot use the majority to impeach him? It takes balls, not polls.


77 posted on 07/15/2014 5:24:41 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Richard Axtell

I can’t blame them at all, I’m right there with them.

Just: let’s wait 3.5 months before we start talking about it.

Another 15 weeks ain’t gonna kill us. Do NOT let the RAT media
take impeachment and run it to rile the RAT base, which it already is! Don’t take the bait.


78 posted on 07/15/2014 5:28:33 PM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: dead

“We have an actual criminal running the Justice Department and congress does nothing about it.”
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Exactly right! We may as well change the name from Justice Department to Department of Confiscation, Oppression and Obfuscation.


79 posted on 07/16/2014 7:35:56 AM PDT by RipSawyer (OPM is the religion of the sheeple.)
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To: txhurl
Another 15 weeks ain’t gonna kill us.

Wait until after November and moderate liberals will vote with plausible deniability. (I didn't know BS.)

IMHO, fifteen weeks of inquiry would eradicate any chance of a Rat uprising.
80 posted on 07/16/2014 9:38:05 AM PDT by TauntedTiger (Keep away from the fence!)
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