No Borscht for you!
Posted on 03/29/2014 2:08:56 PM PDT by DTA
So why was it that the UPA-OUN vented most of their fury upon Poles, instead of Russians?
No Borscht for you!
Some American fools supported Nazism. 200,000 Americans died to conquer it.
“Given the millions of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin in the 1930’s, I would not think it surprising that they allied with whoever was opposing the Communists.”
Sadly, what is virtually never mentioned in relation to the modern political situation in the Ukraine is the very reason there are large Russian language speaking minorities in the Crimea and eastern Ukraine, people who identify as Russian nationals rather than Ukrainians, is because of the Holodomor - Stalin’s forced extermination of millions of Ukrainians.
After Stalin’s ethnic cleansing of wide areas of the Ukraine, those areas were settled by Russian nationals. That’s the reason the area from Kharkiv to Sebastapol is populated by Russian nationalists today.
If you listen to some in the press, you’d be left with the impression that apparently it’s OK to ethnically cleanse half a nation, colonize the area with your loyal co-ethnics, wait a few decades, and then invade in order to “liberate” your people.
Why just look at the Nazi-like blond hair of some these Ukrainians! Actually these are some of my extended family in the Ukraine and they would be quite bewildered by all these Nazi charges. What in Hades???
This article doesn’t mention the atrocities and genocide of the Soviets in these countries before WWII and thus the subsequent embrace of the Germans as liberators by some of the population.
The Soviets routinely smeared patriotic anti-communists in their satellites as Nazis and Nazi collaborators in order to discredit them and US communists do the same, as evidenced by this tendentious interview.
UPA-OUN fought Nazis, Soviets, and Polish Communists. Or do you think the “People’s Army of Poland” was something other than Soviet hand-puppets?
I started reading it, scrolled down to see how long it was, came directly to comments. Not sorry I did.
That’s what they did to Poles in 1939 after they took their portion of Poland as per the Ribbentrop-Molotov aggression Pact.
Poles were denounced as “Fascists” and many were killed or shipped to Siberia.
And much of that part of Poland is now Western Ukraine.
The People’s Army of Poland was virtually non-existent until the Soviets took over Poland, it was still mainly the Armia Krajowa operating in occupied Poland.
What Polish Communists?
There were very few real Polish Communists before the war, guys like Bierut, spent the entire war in Moscow.
Well I guess if you consider murdering Polish Women and Children "Fighting".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRr-nrJ7xvQ
The link is to a 4-hour documentary on the history of the Ukraine. VERY interesting - done last year, so it has some coverage on the current situation.
Ever since the Mongols went through, Ukraine has been pulled in two different directions. And the battle for the Ukraine language and culture was part of it all along.
“Language, borders, cultures” - The Russians get it.
This area has belonged to Mother Russia since the time of Catherine the Great.
UKRAINIANS call it a tragedy, for Poles it was a massacre. Between February 1943 and February 1944, units of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army killed up to 100,000 Poles in Volyn and eastern Galicia, former Polish territories now in western Ukraine. The butchery reached its apogee in July, with as many as 20,000, including women, children and the elderly, murdered. Around 20,000 Ukrainians also died at the hands of Poles or Ukrainians who saw them as too close to the hated occupiers.
That's how UPA-OUN fought - by butchering women, children and the elderly.
The very same kind of mentality rules Ukraine today.
And Svoboda worships these guys.
Mind you, I am no fan of Putin or Russia, and I want a Democratic Free Ukraine.
But their leadership sucks.
Walter E. Duranty wins Pulitzer Prize for reporting on the Soviet Union
http://www.pulitzer.org/durantypressrelease
Pulitzer-Winning Lies http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/791vwuaz.asp
AT LONG LAST a Pulitzer Prize committee is looking into the possibility that the Pulitzer awarded to Walter Duranty, the New York Times Moscow correspondent whose dispatches covered up Stalin's infamies, might be revoked.
In order to assist in their researches, I am downloading here some of the lies contained in those dispatches, lies which the New York Times has never repudiated with the same splash as it accorded Jayson Blair's comparatively trivial lies:
“There is no famine or actual starvation nor is there likely to be.”
—New York Times, Nov. 15, 1931, page 1
“Any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda.”
—New York Times, August 23, 1933
“Enemies and foreign critics can say what they please. Weaklings and despondents at home may groan under the burden, but the youth and strength of the Russian people is essentially at one with the Kremlin's program, believes it worthwhile and supports it, however hard be the sledding.”
—New York Times, December 9, 1932, page 6
“You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs.”
—New York Times, May 14, 1933, page 18
“There is no actual starvation or deaths from starvation but there is widespread mortality from diseases due to malnutrition.”
—New York Times, March 31, 1933, page 13
New York Times Statement About 1932 Pulitzer Prize Awarded to Walter Duranty
http://www.nytco.com/new-york-times-statement-about-1932-pulitzer-prize-awarded-to-walter-duranty/
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-walter-durante-walter-duranty.html
Under the fiction of autonomy, Russian domination provoked Ukrainian resistance. As part of his collectivization of agriculture, Josef Stalin inflicted a famine, now known as the “Terror Famine,” on the Ukraine by seizing all the food from the farmers. Estimates of the dead range from five to seven million. Although many in the West were aware of the famine at the time, the Soviet Union and its supporters conspired to suppress credible information about it. New York Times reporter Walter Durante even received a Pulitzer Prize for his reporting that there was no famine. We now know that Durante was being blackmailed and that he actually passed along accurate but unofficial information through diplomatic circles. Nevertheless, even now, Soviet sympathizers continue, long after the death of the Soviet Union, to downplay the scale of the genocide. Because of this experience, many Ukrainians actually welcomed the Germans when they invaded again in World War II.
Anti-Semitism goes back much earlier in the Ukraine than simply WWII Nazis.
Catherine the Great annexed the Crimea and East Ukraine in the late 1700’s.
In the early 1700’s Peter the Great: “”When asked about admitting Jews into the Empire, Peter the Great stated “I prefer to see in our midst nations professing Mohammedanism and paganism rather than Jews. They are rogues and cheats. It is my endeavor to eradicate evil, not to multiply it.””
Follow-on Russian tsars were no better in their sentiment toward Jews.
One example we’re familiar with is “Fiddler on the Roof” based on stories that focused on Jews living near Kiev.
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