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FBI director admits domestic use of drones
Rusiia Today ^ | 6/19 | rt

Posted on 06/19/2013 8:09:22 AM PDT by RummyChick

The FBI uses drones for domestic surveillance purposes, the head of the agency told Congress early Wednesday.

Robert Mueller, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, confirmed to lawmakers that the FBI owns several unmanned aerial vehicles, but has not adopted any strict policies or guidelines yet to govern the use of the controversial aircraft.

“Does the FBI use drones for surveillance on US soil?” Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) asked Mr. Mueller during an oversight hearing on Capitol Hill Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

“Yes,” Mueller responded bluntly, adding that the FBI’s operation of drones is “very seldom.”

Asked by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California) to elaborate, Mueller added, “It’s very seldom used and generally used in a particular incident where you need the capability.” Earlier in the morning, however, Mueller said that the agency was only now working to establish set rule for the drone program.


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KEYWORDS: bhogwot; counterterrorism; deathfromthesky; domesticdrones; donutwatch; drone; drones; fbi; jihadinamerica; mueller; muellerdrones; nsa; obama; randsconcerntrolls; waronterror; youneedthecapability
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Wonderful...


51 posted on 06/19/2013 12:37:44 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: mandaladon

I see what is going on. First the ammo. Then the NSA spying. Now the drones.

Krauthammer on drones :

“I’m going to go hard left on you here, I’m going ACLU. I don’t want regulations, I don’t want restrictions, I want a ban on this. Drones are instruments of war. The Founders had a great aversion to any instruments of war, the use of the military inside even the United States. It didn’t like standing armies, it has all kinds of statutes of using the army in the country.

A drone is a high-tech version of an old army and a musket. It ought to be used in Somalia to hunt bad guys but not in America. I don’t want to see it hovering over anybody’s home. Yes, you can say we have satellites, we’ve got Google Street View and London has a camera on every street corner but that’s not an excuse to cave in on everything else and accept a society where you’re always under — being watched by the government. This is not what we want.

I would say that you ban it under all circumstances and I would predict, I’m not encouraging, but I an predicting that the first guy who uses a Second Amendment weapon to bring a drone down that’s been hovering over his house is going to be a folk hero in this country.”


52 posted on 06/19/2013 12:40:38 PM PDT by OwenKellogg (Fundamental transformation is costly.)
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To: RummyChick

There is already precident for using drones domestically in order to monitor livestock on farms, and also by the EPA to monitor water matters as premise to levy huge fines.

Currently weapons makers are looking to mount small .50 weapons (variations on the familiar Barrett .50 cal) on smallish drones (on the HUNTER scale).


53 posted on 06/19/2013 12:45:24 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Ann Archy
I don’t know about drones, but I’ll never believe that Breitbart had a NORMAL Heart attack!!

Yep, agreed. He had the WhiteWashingHouse dirt and was ready to use it. May he rest in peace.

54 posted on 06/19/2013 12:45:32 PM PDT by redshawk (0pansy is a Liar and Hates.........he just hates!)
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To: RummyChick

Watch for a spike in the sale of practice rifle grenades. A rifle grenade, dragging a long string or light rope is a two-dollar way to bring down one of these things within a range of maybe 900 vertical feet. Mueller had best include “standoff” in his beand new operational guidelines. That is to say keep his nose at least that far away from anybody’s business. Any rifle that can mount a 22 millimeter grenade launcher can fire a dummy line-dragging grenade.


55 posted on 06/19/2013 12:46:20 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: DoughtyOne

The gift that keeps on giving....


56 posted on 06/19/2013 12:47:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: OwenKellogg

I agree with Krauthammer on this one. Outlaw the drones.


57 posted on 06/19/2013 12:47:52 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yes, we get these linker open wounds unfortunately.

My big concern is for how many times Justice Roberts is going to screw us over the years.


58 posted on 06/19/2013 12:48:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: Cyman
The question should have been are they ARMED drones?

Answer the question with a question-- What good is a gun if it is not loaded? I'll bet ya that they have video, photo, sound mic's, infared, you name it, they have it. Including weapons. Orwell's 1984 is here.

59 posted on 06/19/2013 12:50:57 PM PDT by redshawk (0pansy is a Liar and Hates.........he just hates!)
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To: a fool in paradise

Where’s that Domino’s Pizza drone when you need it?


60 posted on 06/19/2013 12:51:59 PM PDT by redshawk (0pansy is a Liar and Hates.........he just hates!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Somebody got to Roberts. A brilliant man doesn’t rewrite the complaint, and use laughable reasoning to defend it. Expect nothing good from him.


61 posted on 06/19/2013 12:52:10 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

That’s my take on it too.


62 posted on 06/19/2013 12:55:34 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: CodeToad

The meta-macro I see is the forces of .gov justifying anything up to Buchenwald on the basis that if the grid goes down, we collapse to a new dark ages. In order to prevent that outcome, they will justify anything, up to drone strikes against “anti-.gov” troublemakers.


63 posted on 06/19/2013 1:21:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: RummyChick

There are people out here who are designing systems to disrupt the control of drones domestically. There are others who are working on designs to take control of domestic drones. Then there are those that are working on being able to destroy drones electronically.

If the Government is going to trample on the People, they better not complain when the people trample back. I’m waiting gleefully for when the first drone is “hijacked” by some 15 year old basement dwelling computer geek.


64 posted on 06/19/2013 1:33:45 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Travis McGee

Without question. They will use drones and any other means of force against everyone “they” deem a “threat”.


65 posted on 06/19/2013 1:38:25 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: CodeToad

It’s the siren call of every tyrant.
Order must be preserved at all costs.


66 posted on 06/19/2013 2:04:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: OwenKellogg

67 posted on 06/19/2013 2:06:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: dirtboy
In other words, they do it a lot.

There's one outside my office window peepin on my FReepin!
68 posted on 06/19/2013 2:07:54 PM PDT by ForAmerica (Texas Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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To: RummyChick

This was reported during the alabama hostage event. So this has been known. Guidelines are needed before this gets out of control. A drone that is providing surveillance equivalent to what a helicopter would provide is one thing. A micro-drone that could hover outside a window is another thing. Next there will be droid cops and drones that can just wipe you out without a warrant.


69 posted on 06/19/2013 2:15:53 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: RummyChick

All those people who talked about this the past several years or so, were labeled, “Tin foiling wearing wackos”.

Frauds and biggov neocons abound...


70 posted on 06/19/2013 2:17:23 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne

Robert Mueller?

Yet another Bush appointee.


71 posted on 06/19/2013 2:20:40 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: a fool in paradise

How safe are they? Just makes me nervous that they could crash down on innocent people and their property.


72 posted on 06/19/2013 2:25:09 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: dragnet2; DoughtyOne

” Robert Mueller?

Yet another Bush appointee.”

Yes, and he “worries” about Tea Party “vigilantes”

As a group, Tea Party folks probably have the least criminal history of any recognized group in the USA.


73 posted on 06/19/2013 2:25:43 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: StolarStorm

Who gets faulted when a remote drone collides with a radio station traffic helicopter or some such?


74 posted on 06/19/2013 2:28:57 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: RummyChick

While the FBI and other biggov agencies monitored and spyed on law abiding American citizens, the government rolled out the red carpet for thousands of Muslims, including the Boston bomb terrorist...Even after being warned, government gave them tax paid prizes and gifts worth hundreds of thousands.

All this occurring while government winks and nods at the conga-line of millions entering our country illegally, at will...


75 posted on 06/19/2013 2:37:13 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Thank God for the UK Press. They actually report news, unlike the DNC-CNN, DNC-MNBC, etc.


76 posted on 06/19/2013 2:38:47 PM PDT by matt04
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To: RummyChick
“Yes,” Mueller responded bluntly, adding that the FBI’s operation of drones is “very seldom.”

Yay! We're only a little bit pregnant with tyranny.

77 posted on 06/19/2013 3:35:58 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: dragnet2

Someone else mentioned that. Oui vey...


78 posted on 06/19/2013 4:21:10 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; dragnet2

Yes, you’re probably right with regard to that.


79 posted on 06/19/2013 4:22:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: RummyChick
The other day I was sitting out by the pool and I had Alex Jones playing on an app on my phone, kinda loud. Suddenly, this rather large pigeon swooped down into my covered patio and kinda flew around.

Then he went over and sat about ten feet away on the brick wall. He just say there for about twenty minutes. Not really, moving at all. We noticed he had a plastic strip around one leg.

My husband and I both looked and each other and said, "Drone"

Now of course, I don't think it was a drone but the idea we both, even jokingly, said that it was a drone that honed in on the loud keywords Alex Jones was probably speaking is kinda telling in itself.

80 posted on 06/19/2013 7:07:50 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: PowderMonkey

I think I didn’t explain my point well. If they can fly over us, how low can they go? Meaning, is there a difference between an aircraft flying thousands of feet or only several feet, legally? It was a hypothetical looking at ownership and privacy etc.


81 posted on 06/20/2013 1:26:00 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: PghBaldy
It’s been a while since I last worked in this particular field. Other than FAA flight safety regs, I’m not aware of any current legal strictures on law enforcement surveillance altitude. Theoretically, they can fly a drone mere feet above the ground on your property. Legal altitude and air space restrictions could be easily circumvented by two little words “exigent circumstances.” A law enforcement favorite, covering a multitude of sins.
82 posted on 06/20/2013 6:07:07 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: PghBaldy

As a “P.S.” I would add that back in the 1980s a SCOTUS ruling on this used the concept of “publicly navigable air space” for clearing law enforcement use of warrantless air surveillance. With the advent of mircro drones, further case law will argued over what, in future, constitutes “publicly navigable air space.”


83 posted on 06/20/2013 7:52:18 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: RummyChick

“Sir, you are using drones. Reporter Michael Hastings, who has been a little critical of the Administration lately, died in a crash of his Mercedes so powerful that the engine was thrown som e100 feet from the fiery remains of the car. Are your US drones loaded with Hellfire missiles?”


84 posted on 06/20/2013 8:29:19 AM PDT by theDentist (FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: RummyChick

“Sir, you are using drones. Reporter Michael Hastings, who has been a little critical of the Administration lately, died in a crash of his Mercedes so powerful that the engine was thrown som e100 feet from the fiery remains of the car. Are your US drones loaded with Hellfire missiles?”


85 posted on 06/20/2013 8:29:19 AM PDT by theDentist (FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: RummyChick

...and many local and state police forces are salivating over the thought of using them as well.


86 posted on 06/20/2013 9:41:22 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: RummyChick; xzins
Was this program "top secret", cause the last time I looked the FBI is not authorized to engage in "top secret" missions. Only the CIA is authorized to carry out "top secret" missions and then only outside the territory of the United States.

So has the FBI been engaged in top secret spying on Americans? If so, who authorized this abuse of the justice system?

I suppose that is a rhetorical question.

87 posted on 06/20/2013 2:17:56 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Diogenesis
 

 

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

88 posted on 06/21/2013 3:45:49 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Whatever they justify doing to the enemy on a foreign battlefield, we can bet that they will “progress” to use the same on their domestic enemy - Americans. Especially little girls in wheelchairs with the nerve to go to Disney World with her family on an airplane.


89 posted on 06/21/2013 1:50:03 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: RummyChick

My husband spotted a drone in the Orlando/Disneyworld area a couple of years ago during the Caylee Anthony search. It was reported that drones were to aid in the search on the news.

http://thewashingtonfancy.com/2011/07/06/obama-orders-drone-strikes-on-casey-anthony/1374


90 posted on 06/21/2013 3:22:00 PM PDT by Southern Magnolia
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