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FBI director admits domestic use of drones
Rusiia Today ^ | 6/19 | rt

Posted on 06/19/2013 8:09:22 AM PDT by RummyChick

The FBI uses drones for domestic surveillance purposes, the head of the agency told Congress early Wednesday.

Robert Mueller, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, confirmed to lawmakers that the FBI owns several unmanned aerial vehicles, but has not adopted any strict policies or guidelines yet to govern the use of the controversial aircraft.

“Does the FBI use drones for surveillance on US soil?” Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) asked Mr. Mueller during an oversight hearing on Capitol Hill Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

“Yes,” Mueller responded bluntly, adding that the FBI’s operation of drones is “very seldom.”

Asked by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California) to elaborate, Mueller added, “It’s very seldom used and generally used in a particular incident where you need the capability.” Earlier in the morning, however, Mueller said that the agency was only now working to establish set rule for the drone program.


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1 posted on 06/19/2013 8:09:22 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

What about him investigating the targeting of conservatives
by the IRS and whistleblowers by DNC-murderers???

Not so much interest it seems.


2 posted on 06/19/2013 8:11:14 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: RummyChick
The FBI uses drones for domestic surveillance purposes, the head of the agency told Congress early Wednesday. Robert Mueller, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, confirmed to lawmakers that the FBI owns several unmanned aerial vehicles, but has not adopted any strict policies or guidelines yet to govern the use of the controversial aircraft.

This is by the book stuff here.

Why would they develop guidelines, when they can use the development of guidelines to shed any blame for the first time something goes terrible wrong?

Hypothetical:

This incident has caused us to take a look at drawing up guidelines for use of these devices. This is something we never foresaw happening. Now we'll make sure this never happens again."

Gag me...

3 posted on 06/19/2013 8:14:40 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: DoughtyOne

bump


4 posted on 06/19/2013 8:14:57 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: RummyChick

“Guidelines? We don’t got to show you no guidelines!”

Welcome to the Democrat Banana Republic.


5 posted on 06/19/2013 8:15:08 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: RummyChick
“Yes,” Mueller responded bluntly, adding that the FBI’s operation of drones is “very seldom.”

In other words, they do it a lot.

6 posted on 06/19/2013 8:15:08 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: RummyChick
translation: Better come clean on this one before Sunday's UK Guardian hits the streets.


7 posted on 06/19/2013 8:15:28 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: RummyChick

I imagine all the alphabets have them by now. Creepy.

I wonder if we’re ever going to learn what rules or regulations they follow since Mueller says they are just now getting around to figuring them out.


8 posted on 06/19/2013 8:16:41 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: blueunicorn6

Reba McIntyre told us on a radio interview, “The government needs to set guidelines,” after telling us she owns guns, but no one should own “assault rifles”.


9 posted on 06/19/2013 8:17:53 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: RummyChick

“We don’t ... you know, have any actual RULES for how we do this. But trust us ... it’s for your own good. Really. No, seriously!”


10 posted on 06/19/2013 8:18:07 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: RummyChick

The question should have been are they ARMED drones?


11 posted on 06/19/2013 8:19:07 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: RummyChick

I guess he gave the least untruthful answers when asked.


12 posted on 06/19/2013 8:20:37 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: RummyChick

Translation of Muller statement:

Absent an existing protocol/doctrine regarding lawful use of drones against citizens of this republic the FBI falls back on the Lon Horiuchi tactic, “whatever...just whack ‘em.”.

( Unless they’re adherents of TROP )


13 posted on 06/19/2013 8:20:47 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: RummyChick

local police farces are trying to get their own drones. The more, the easier it is to fly undetected (by agency).


14 posted on 06/19/2013 8:22:19 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: RummyChick

I get non-armed drones for targeted areas, such as secret service areas or areas where terrorists might target. Airborne assets are a great eye in the sky. But drones for general population surveillance? No thanks.


15 posted on 06/19/2013 8:24:52 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Diogenesis

I remember a small crowd here a year or two ago being ok with Hussein’s drone programme to protect our interests overseas, as long as it wasn’t on US soil...


16 posted on 06/19/2013 8:42:04 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: RummyChick

This is so illegal.

I’ve listened to just the first couple of lectures of Mike Farris’s (Home School Legal Defense Association & Patrick Henry College) “Constitutional Literacy” class.

These alphabet agencies are out of control, and the laws and regulations they pass are completely, totally illegal.(Laws are ONLY to be passed by elected officials, not unelected bureaucrats or judges.) See Article I Section I and the 10th Amendment. (OK you all understand this better than I do, but after hearing Mr. Farris explain it, it is so clear.)

State governors need to start standing up and saying, NO MORE, these agencies are not allowed on our sovereign state soil and get them OUT of the states. Do not allow the physical presence of the FBI, IRS, EPA to set foot in your state. Have the states collect whatever federal tax and send it in.

There are remedies in the Constitution, it just will take some elected state governors and representatives with guts to stand up to the tyrants. And no doubt, it will take courage. We need some men and women with a deep understanding of our constitution and nerves of steel to call their bluff, and if the Federal government is not bluffing, and chooses to war against the states, then it’s time for states to push back against federal government, agencies and judges. They are no longer a legitimate government.

I’m not even saying secession, I’m saying, individual states decide to nullify illegal laws, regulations and AGENCIES, and then they protect their citizens from illegal enforcement by the federal government.


17 posted on 06/19/2013 8:42:39 AM PDT by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: DoughtyOne

He reminds me off an old Russian boobocrat..

.. the sound of Buehler Buehler Buehlerrrr rings thru my mind

MUeller !! MUeller!! MUELLER!!!!

TReachery&Tyranny thru ignorance is no defence.


18 posted on 06/19/2013 8:47:50 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

Thanks Black Agnes

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19 posted on 06/19/2013 8:54:12 AM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: CodeToad

You’ll have no way of knowing these are around. (and who precisely has sent them)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2161647/Is-really-just-fly-Swarms-cyborg-insect-drones-future-military-surveillance.html


20 posted on 06/19/2013 8:57:11 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: RummyChick

All those recent UFO sitings may be the drones?


21 posted on 06/19/2013 9:08:42 AM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: traditional1

Click on the link in post 20 and think of Breitbart’s death.


22 posted on 06/19/2013 9:16:31 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: SE Mom

Yeah, you can bet they already have guidelines, because they are bureaucrats and bureaucrats don’t do anything without making a telephone book full of rules first. He just doesn’t want to tell us what they are, probably because he knows that the American people would not approve of them.


23 posted on 06/19/2013 9:21:09 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Cyman
I am glad that Sen. Chuck Grassley asked the question, and Mr. Mueller actually had a reply.
Mr. Snowden is spreading out information that is clearing up a lot of illegal domestic spying.
‘The question should have been are they ARMED drones?’
Cyman
Excellent suggestion Cyman.
TWB
24 posted on 06/19/2013 9:25:23 AM PDT by TWhiteBear (Sarah Palin...The Flame of the North)
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To: boxlunch
"This is so illegal."

Unfortunately, it's perfectly legal. It is, however, an abuse of power, and possible violation of existing administrative guidelines for electronic intercepts, and tracking subjects of investigation. Law enforcement does it every day while piloting manned patrol aircraft. There is a legal concept known as "open fields." No warrant needed for law enforcement to peer into or enter upon private property if something is seen from the roadway, or while flying over head. The new wrinkle here is drones can be used to circumvent requisite court order approvals for GPS tracking of subjects, and electronic eaves dropping.
25 posted on 06/19/2013 9:30:22 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: RummyChick
They fly over TEA PARTY RALLIES!!!

This is the TIP of the ICEBERG!! CORRUPTION EVERYWHERE!!

26 posted on 06/19/2013 9:35:58 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Black Agnes

I don’t know about drones, but I’ll never believe that Breitbart had a NORMAL Heart attack!!


27 posted on 06/19/2013 9:37:45 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Travis McGee; ASA Vet; BIGLOOK

fyi


28 posted on 06/19/2013 9:54:05 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: Black Agnes

“You’ll have no way of knowing these are around. (and who precisely has sent them)”

BOL not at this issue but re how available drones with cameras are for the rest of us.

A younger relative moving into puberty a couple of years ago wanted a remote controlled helicopter/a drone/ with a video cam for Christmas.

He would launch it from his bedroom window on a covered deck on hot summer afternoons.

There were a lot of swimming pools, and he would fly the basically quiet drone over the various pools to check on the cougars swimming in the nude or close to nude, with the camera on. Then fly the drone back, land it and remove the memory chip.

If the chip showed showed something of interest, he put another memory chip into his drone with recharged battery and flew it back to the point of interest for more “recon.”


29 posted on 06/19/2013 10:04:16 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: Grampa Dave

I imagine when the tech gets advanced enough most pervs will have video of their neighbors.

Including the 8yr old girls and 9yr old boys they’re interested in. That fly perched in the top corner of your bathroom? Maybe it’s the neighborhood perv taking a video of your 9yr old son taking a shower.

And home invaders need only perch near one of the keypads and wait for the homeowner to punch in the code.

Or do an in house recon to see what’s available to stealing and where it is. To save time.

Think the feds won’t be in your closets looking for gun cases?


30 posted on 06/19/2013 10:08:04 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: PowderMonkey

How high or how low is that legal? If a drone can fly 6 feet above the ground, over my property, is that legal? Should it be?


31 posted on 06/19/2013 10:14:46 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Black Agnes

I don’t what will be worse, criminals, perverts or the feds using drones to monitor an invade our homes.


32 posted on 06/19/2013 10:22:21 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: RummyChick

I want to know...

I want to know right now.

I want someone to ask the question ....

IS THE FBI SPYING ON RADICAL MUSLIMS

OR

LIKE THE IRS - ARE THEY TARGETING POLITICAL OPPONENTS OF OBAMA?

WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW...


33 posted on 06/19/2013 10:35:09 AM PDT by GOPJ (Why don't Democrats waste their time trying to win the votes of gun owners? - Coulter)
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To: CodeToad

34 posted on 06/19/2013 10:37:01 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Grampa Dave

This tech is already way down the rabbit hole in how it will completely change human interaction and expectations.

It will be possible for the neighbor up the street, who doesn’t like the fact that you have THREE Gaia destroying children to remediate that. Anonymously and at their leisure.

Or the next AQ attack to be completed from a Starbucks cafe via iPhone.

We’re not going to even go into targeted political assassinations. That ‘heart attack’ or ‘Flu’ that politician expired from? May have been a genomically targeted pathogen designed for just their DNA makeup.

And those 3rd world countries that can’t really affect us militarily now? They need only purchase a couple thousand cheap parrot sized drones, arm them with explosives, and fly them into and around the green zone (or NYC, or DC) at their leisure. Or target nuclear reactors. Or refineries. Or schools. Or just use your imagination here.

The elites haven’t quite grasped the technology they’ve released here. While it’ll be bad enough for the peons they don’t have anything to ‘gain’ from killing the neighbor up the street like the elites will have in targeting one another for control of their power structures.

Those lovely outdoor weddings their daughters seem to favor? Things of the past when this tech gets ramped up.


35 posted on 06/19/2013 10:49:40 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Travis McGee

BTTT


36 posted on 06/19/2013 11:03:13 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: RummyChick

37 posted on 06/19/2013 11:04:26 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: DoughtyOne

” Robert Mueller, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation,”

This is the character who thinks the Tea Party is a possible terrorist organization.


38 posted on 06/19/2013 11:13:59 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Travis McGee

BUMP


39 posted on 06/19/2013 11:16:00 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: GOPJ

Do you see what is going on? They are not using drones to stop illegal aliens but they are using it against American citizens. We need to stop this BS. Vote any politician (Democrat or Republican) who supports this crap out of office.


40 posted on 06/19/2013 11:19:34 AM PDT by mandaladon (The truth about Benghazi is all I want)
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To: mandaladon

Yeah, because elections matter anymore. Right?


41 posted on 06/19/2013 11:22:03 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: PghBaldy

They don’t need to get down to 6 feet above your property. Spy satellites can read a car’s license plates from low earth orbit. A surveillance drone can do even better flying along just above the rooftops over your property, and even listen to conversations in the backyard or patio. Should it be legal? That will be determined in subsequent case law, and the courts determination of a “reasonable expectation of privacy.” Until case law catches up with technology, nothing prevents a police drone from buzzing around your property like a common housefly, peering into open windows, or hovering over your pool party.


42 posted on 06/19/2013 11:24:41 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: RummyChick

Drones are a threat to privacy but the NSA isn’t? I guess I just don’t get that.


43 posted on 06/19/2013 11:29:02 AM PDT by mandaladon (The truth about Benghazi is all I want)
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To: mandaladon
They are not using drones to stop illegal aliens but they are using it against American citizens. We need to stop this BS. Vote any politician (Democrat or Republican) who supports this crap out of office.

Too bad the official State Press won't ask these kinds of questions... I'd like to know how drones are being used in the United States and against what groups...

If every US Agency is like the IRS - and targeting people based on their political beliefs = then it's time to elect people on a single issue - cutting 'programs'...

44 posted on 06/19/2013 11:52:59 AM PDT by GOPJ (Why don't Democrats waste their time trying to win the votes of gun owners? - Coulter)
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To: Travis McGee

It is where we are headed: “Well, we smoked the speeder we couldn’t catch for public safety. I mean, if we hadn’t smoked his ass using a drone missile strike he may have run into somebody. The family? Oh, you mean the collateral damage recipients? Well, that is the consequences of the speeder racing down the freeway. Sorry to the family but it wasn’t our fault.”


45 posted on 06/19/2013 12:04:52 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: RummyChick

“It’s very seldom used and generally used in a particular incident where you need the capability.”

He could apply the same logic to using HellFire missiles. For instance, on Justin Beiber.


46 posted on 06/19/2013 12:07:08 PM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: RummyChick
It's days like these where I'm sad that Lil' Kim of the NORKS didn't make good on his threat to nuke DC.

Oh hai NSA

47 posted on 06/19/2013 12:11:27 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The Gubment Has No Legitimacy. It needs to be Removed!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Good one. I agree with you too.


48 posted on 06/19/2013 12:15:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Scratch “possible” and we’re on the same page.


49 posted on 06/19/2013 12:27:11 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Speaker John Boehner (R) no (D) no (R)... has more waffles than IHOP.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Another Bush appointee.


50 posted on 06/19/2013 12:30:46 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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