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Edward Snowden: What Happened to Just Quitting?
Townhall ^ | 06/10/2013 | Rich Galen

Posted on 06/10/2013 9:31:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Edward Snowden is not a hero. He's a 29-year-old former security guard at the National Security Agency who ended up knowing way too much about what goes on at the NSA, CIA and the rest of the intelligence community. In case you missed it over the weekend, he is the kid who spilled the beans about the NSA's PRISM program.

Snowden is now in Hong Kong, probably awaiting a fairly severe knock on his hotel room door by some Chinese cop who will ask him nicely to put his hands behind his back and provide the story line for next season's "Locked Up Abroad."

There is a serious flaw in Edward Snowden's and Bradley Manning's (the U.S. soldier who copied and sent miles of secret messages to Wikileaks) claims that they were looking out for you and me.

As a taxpayer, I'm not paying you to look out after my Fourth Amendment rights. I'm paying you to do whatever job you were hired to do, and if you find that job too ethically distasteful, then you should quit.

But keep your mouth shut.

If everyone is allowed to decide for themselves what is legal and ethical and what is not, then society - not just American society - will collapse. I happen to hate bicycle riders who run stop signs. I think that America would be far better off if bicycle riders who run stop signs are rendered incapable of riding a bicycle at all.

You disagree? Too bad. Under the Snowden/Bradley Rule, I get to pick and choose which laws I obey and which I violate. You can decide to rat out the barrista at your local Starbucks who gives the cute girl from down the block a Grande every day when she only pays for a Tall.

Or you can decide to use your get-out-of-jail-free card to inform on that guy on the fifth floor who is always bragging about his landscapers being from Mars and thus are Little Green Men without Little Green Cards.

If you read or watch the Guardian's interview with Snowden, the first thing that comes to mind is this: Who is in charge of H.R. at the CIA, the NSA and Booz Allen Hamilton - all of whom Snowden has worked over the past four years?

The NSA is tracking phone calls and Google searches because that's what it's in business to do. The only reason the NSA exists is to track phone calls and Google searches - or some facsimile of those things. The CIA is spying on people because that's what we pay them to do.

It is a little hard to swallow the notion that this kid can be smart enough to go from security guard to CIA covert operative and Booz Allen consultant and yet look like the main character in an Edvard Munch painting when he finds out that the NSA and CIA are snooping on people.

I have an advantage over most of you in that I've finally grown into being a curmudgeon. I'm 66-years-old, cranky most of the time, and if the government wants to track who I call and what I download, then have at it.

However, if you are 28 and think you have a future in the government that might include a job requiring Senate confirmation, you probably should be worried.

Edward Snowden should be extradited from Hong Kong and tried in the United States. If he is found guilty - and given his public interviews it won't take Rudy Giuliani or Chris Christy to get a conviction - he should go to federal prison for a long time.

While he's there, I hope that the U.S. Government's security services will continue to do what they are paid to do.

I hope.


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To: cripplecreek

A-friggn-men. One of my favorite comments ever on this site.


51 posted on 06/10/2013 9:55:25 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: SeekAndFind
Idiot opinion piece.

The establishment types are hysterical. Good.

52 posted on 06/10/2013 9:55:53 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Jeff Head

Thank you.

I wonder how FReepers would feel about a soldier refusing a “lawful” order to kill American citizens. Would that soldier be a patriot or a traitor?

I would call him a patriot.


53 posted on 06/10/2013 9:56:21 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: caww

Rich Galen is an old RINO for many moons. I don’t like him, never did. Here is another example why.


54 posted on 06/10/2013 9:56:24 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Also supports homosexual quote marriage
monda chupador


55 posted on 06/10/2013 9:56:30 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: SeekAndFind

Snowden is a hero. He has given up his life to ensure the fascists do not go unchecked. If the GOP had the guts to do the same we wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with.

This entire snooping program has DONE NOTHING to make us safer. It has not stopped terror attacks here or anywhere in the world. It has, however, allowed obama to build a database of political dissidents, including those of you here on this site.


56 posted on 06/10/2013 9:56:36 AM PDT by Deathtomarxists (yellow black or white hillary's pantsuits stink by night!!)
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To: cripplecreek

Sandy Berger was convicted of a misdemeanor count of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material, and given probation, as you say.

Galen implies that we should give Snowden the Nakoula treatment, if not put him in front of a firing squad.


57 posted on 06/10/2013 9:56:37 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: SeekAndFind

There’s no comparison between Manning and Snowden. Manning released diplotic and military classified information because he didn’t like the adminstration’s policies. Snowden blew the whistle on the emergence of a police state. When the government knows everything about everybody, they can find a way to make a criminal out of anyone they don’t like.


58 posted on 06/10/2013 9:56:40 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: caww

Good point. If it was for financial gain, or to the CHICOMS he certainly is not one. (hero)


59 posted on 06/10/2013 9:57:22 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey NSA Goon watching FR... Suck this - > =====>)
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To: SeekAndFind

As an obvious extension of Rich’s “logic” we should seek out all whistleblowers and immediately crucify them.


60 posted on 06/10/2013 9:57:32 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: cripplecreek

As I’ve mentioned before this whole show is seen from the wrong perspective...until people at least understand the Global Agenda, and it’s movements, their opinions are at best limited to only seeing the affects and not the real plans in motions.

The Borders will remain opened....and for a time yet be unsecured....later they will “build” but not to keep people out...but control who leaves IMO.


61 posted on 06/10/2013 9:58:06 AM PDT by caww
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To: jjotto

The leak is real, I’m just pointing out how government uses one thing to justify another.

In this case, if we had a secure border and rational immigration policies we wouldn’t need all this domestic spying.


62 posted on 06/10/2013 9:58:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I haven’t heard anything new except an acronym from this guy, PRISM. What new information did this guy release. Did he release any data at all? We knew they were tracking phone calls. Phone company has kept records like this for years. We knew they watched e-mails. The goverment claims they were only tracking calls being made to and from foreign countries. Did he give us any information that they were doing anything else?


63 posted on 06/10/2013 9:59:24 AM PDT by ThomasThomas (A bad hair day is not a mental issue, or is it?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“The CIA is spying on people because that’s what we pay them to do.”

Not within CONUS. Title 50 specifically prohibits spying on “US Persons” except in VERY limited circumstances, or within the United States.


64 posted on 06/10/2013 10:01:47 AM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: oblomov

This seems more like a schoolyard taunt than a well-reasoned article.


Exactly. It is Townhall so I gave it a read thinking it would back up its assertion and my mind would be changed. It did no such thing. It sounded like a lot of liberal articles that are heavy with ranting and light on support for the position. REAL support, that is...


65 posted on 06/10/2013 10:02:20 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: American Constitutionalist
I am starting to think and believe this is all a effort not only to snoop on innocent Americans, but to undermine American’s spying abilities and national security capability.

I have my concerns too. The US government, as it appears today, looks horrible to the rest of the world. This is terrible PR.

66 posted on 06/10/2013 10:02:35 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: catfish1957

I have a serious problem that he was in Hong Kong.....

Especially in light of the movements on the World Stage by China now.

The guy simply isn’t important enough....and who really knows what the guy actually knows...he’s not said with any particulars.


67 posted on 06/10/2013 10:03:54 AM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m 66-years-old, cranky most of the time, and if the government wants to track who I call and what I download, then have at it.


That makes no sense. Rather, it sounds like what some kid with no real understanding of the constitution would say.

My take is that the older you get, the MORE this matters. You gain wisdom and realize why it is important.

Then again, with age comes wisdom. But sometimes age comes alone...


68 posted on 06/10/2013 10:05:23 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: catfish1957

unlikely he was on the take. he was making too much and had a cushy job. his libertarian voting/donating records is a clear indication that he is doing this just for the reasons he has stated. However, as we already see, the media, elites (dems and Rinos) are going to paint him as a chinese spy so they can light of world war three and erase the debt they have dumped on all of us. Don’t fall for it - don’t fall for the elitist lies anymore!


69 posted on 06/10/2013 10:05:25 AM PDT by Deathtomarxists (yellow black or white hillary's pantsuits stink by night!!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
How could the NSA be made more efficient and steamline? Do we really need a building 5 times longer than a football field.Here is a suggestion....lets tatoo a number on everyones forarm.....No....that has been tried, and you need eyeballs on the forearm to make that ID.

I am in the cattle buisness. We are moving to identify eartags to track cattle from the time it leaves the ranch to the feedlots to the rendering house (slaughter) to the boxed carcasses then on to the end user (the one who eats the cattle). Now, can we improve on this process? It would never sell to put eartags on everyone. But that little microprocessor chip built into that eartage....could we take just that functional part of the eartag and...say....imlant it into everyone. Under Obamacare religious organizations are being forced to pay for abortifacients...they capitulated rather than take to the streets by the millions. It would be just a little implant. It would hardly be physically discernable.

That would streamline the whole process. We would not have to follow the various numbers...just the specific number. It could be run out of the west wing of the white house. It would be cheaper. Not to worry that those numbers might be identified with a justice of the supreme court, or the leadership of the House and Senate. They would never do that....would they?

70 posted on 06/10/2013 10:05:50 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (')
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To: dirtboy

If I were a lawyer, I would be salivating to take this case.

Everyone must decide for themselves what is legal and ethical. The bottom line is whether or not what the NSA was Constitutional or not. If it was, Snowden will end up spending life behind bars. If it’s not, then he was doing his duty to support, protect and defend the Constitution.

The question is whether or not they will prosecute him. If they do and he can make a prima facia case that the NSA action was unconstitutional, his ability to subpoena evidence will scare the NSA to death. Eric Holder already wants to keep secret a District Court decision declaring some program unconstitutional.

It should be interesting.


71 posted on 06/10/2013 10:06:18 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Deathtomarxists
he was making too much

Have you seen his W-2?

72 posted on 06/10/2013 10:06:52 AM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: ilgipper

NSA’s job is to keep track of every FOREIGN transaction, includisg financial originating in the US. Of course the way the Internet routes messages makes the definition of foreign a little blurry at times.

The need is there because the US’s immigration policy itsists on permitting persons from foreign countries that have groups hostile to us to enter this country.


73 posted on 06/10/2013 10:07:36 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just wait til Townhall’s personal emails and crap are put out for all to see and there will be a 180 on this so fast your head will spin.


74 posted on 06/10/2013 10:07:58 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: stayathomemom

we had all the spy capabilities we needed - and then obama turned them on us, U.S. Citizens, in a massive wave of disgusting attacks. Such a system must be dismantled for there is no “reset button”.


75 posted on 06/10/2013 10:08:11 AM PDT by Deathtomarxists (yellow black or white hillary's pantsuits stink by night!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey, earth to Rich Galen.

If I see treason, I’m gonna call it out.

Not just quietly quit and let it continue.

I used to work for Stalin doing record keeping of a lot people’s names, addresses and political leanings. He was murdering people by the tens of thousands that were on the lists that I maintained. Made me sick. So I transferred to a different department where I didn’t have to think about it. After enough vodka, I’m fine.

Of course, one couldn’t “speak out” against Stalin. Well, maybe once.

See, Mr. Galen, we’re trying to undo the police state that globalists are turning America into.

Next !


76 posted on 06/10/2013 10:08:51 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen
I used to work for Stalin doing record keeping of a lot people’s names, addresses and political leanings. He was murdering people by the tens of thousands that were on the lists that I maintained. Made me sick. So I transferred to a different department where I didn’t have to think about it. After enough vodka, I’m fine.

Zing!

77 posted on 06/10/2013 10:11:19 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Deathtomarxists

<....”unlikely he was on the take. he was making too much and had a cushy job”....>

The guy was one of the new World Citizens....and he may very well have been offered considerable more than the he had.

He’s had International Correspondence since he was a kid....chatting with people around the world. So this guy could go anywhere and be comfortable.

I don’t see him as a spy...hardly so...rather an opportunist.


78 posted on 06/10/2013 10:11:38 AM PDT by caww
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To: ilgipper
Townhall is infected with GOPe massive immigration types, who know that unfettered "electronic surveillance" is absolutely critical to some semblance of safety when flooding a nation with potentially hostile third world types.

I guarantee you every single person currently defending the NSA's misdeeds is also a staunch supporter of "comprehensive immigration reform".

79 posted on 06/10/2013 10:12:08 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: SeekAndFind
I think we are insane. We supposedly are in a war against someone we can't name or against a belief we won't talk about, so we leave our borders wide open and the federal government, whose Constitution mandate is to enforce the border, sues border states that do and supports "Sanctuary Cities" that harbor illegal invaders, and seeks to enact legislation to grant them full citizenship and total access.

In the middle of all of this, all of our Constitutional protections, those checks that balance, are being or have been removed.

We have lost control of our elections, border, currency, treasure and almost all of our media are little more than mouth pieces for approved speech only.

But, Mr. Galen, in the face of that, we are to believe this guy is a traitor? To what? In the face of the obvious, dude, how much longer before we are all traitors?

Rich, you might want to adjust that Mark of the Beast you're wearing? It's a little crooked.

80 posted on 06/10/2013 10:12:31 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I've got VERY mixed feelings about this whole mess

Galen says, I'm paying you to do whatever job you were hired to do, and if you find that job too ethically distasteful, then you should quit.

But keep your mouth shut.

By Galen's "logic," there should never be any "whistleblowers" about anything in government. "Just quit and keep your mouth shut." I guess he believes that the BATFE agents who saw what was happening with Fast & Furious should have just kept their mouths shut. What about the soldiers who informed on Lt Calley, at Mi-Lai?

I do happen to believe that he went about this completely wrong, and with his presence in Hong Kong, my guess is that he'll never leave China. It's quit possible that this whole thing was orchestrated by the Chinese.

If he legitimately wanted to get the information out, but in a way to minimize the damage to the country, would have been to hand the information off to someone in government, like Rand Paul or Ted Cruz, but not go straight to the media.

Mark

81 posted on 06/10/2013 10:12:43 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Rich Galen runs a site called Mullings and he is a huge NeoCon.

He’s a witty speaker but he’s not at all unclear about that.

If Israel were 1% safer with America in chains he would probably be OK with that.


82 posted on 06/10/2013 10:13:54 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: catfish1957

Trying to berate him calling him a security guard. I don’t no may security guards that make over $10/hr much less $200,000/yr.


83 posted on 06/10/2013 10:15:44 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: GBA
I think we are insane. We supposedly are in a war against someone we can't name or against a belief we won't talk about, so we leave our borders wide open and the federal government, whose Constitution mandate is to enforce the border, sues border states that do and supports "Sanctuary Cities" that harbor illegal invaders, and seeks to enact legislation to grant them full citizenship and total access.

The real money behind the scenes gets what it wants.

Ergo, this is exactly what it wants.

Understanding can be gained by contemplating why and letting that guide one's research.
84 posted on 06/10/2013 10:16:19 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: SeekAndFind

“If everyone is allowed to decide for themselves what is legal and ethical and what is not, then society - not just American society - will collapse.”

Opinion is not license to act without legislation. The author would deny me my independent opinion. Freedom doesn’t die that quickly.


85 posted on 06/10/2013 10:16:41 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: ilgipper
I seem to recall reading some years ago AFTER the government finally acknowledged the NSA (previously, it was jokingly referred to as "No Such Agency") that they were only supposed to collect foreign "signal intelligence." They swore up and down that the NSA (and CIA) would never collect intelligence from within the USA.

Mark

86 posted on 06/10/2013 10:16:51 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: American Constitutionalist

This is about the current junta ordering the national intelligence services to spy on the Presidents domestic political opponents . This means that you are on an ENEMIES OF THE STATE list. We have seen this before & it generally doesn’t end well. To those folks who say “If you have nothing to hide why are you worried” what makes you think that YOU decide that you haven’t done anything wrong.


87 posted on 06/10/2013 10:18:08 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: SeekAndFind

What amazes me is if this revelation about tracking the phone records of every single American had occurred during the Bush Administration, the “media” and dems would’ve been screaming for heads. The sheep have been lulled into thinking it’s not problematic if they don’t feel directely affected.

As for Snowden’s leaking info about PRISM.. it appears some of our “leaders” are more interested in attacking him rather than questioning the regime’s motives, completely losing sight of the real issue.


88 posted on 06/10/2013 10:23:42 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: American Constitutionalist
You could be very right about wanting to damage the intelligence gathering capabilities, which is one of the reasons I think that this might have been orchastrated by the ChiComs.

It took decades to recover from the Church Commission under Carter.

Mark

89 posted on 06/10/2013 10:23:52 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: SeekAndFind

What exactly did Snowden divulge, other than the fact the 0bama regime using the NSA was violating everyone’s Fourth Amendment rights on a regular basis?


90 posted on 06/10/2013 10:38:34 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Jesus, Please Save America!)
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To: Texas Songwriter

“But that little microprocessor chip built into that eartag....could we take just that functional part of the eartag and...say....implant it into everyone.”

Would a tinfoil hat block the signal? ;-)


91 posted on 06/10/2013 10:42:10 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: SeekAndFind

What happen to honest people? Answer They run to Hong Kong.


92 posted on 06/10/2013 10:43:31 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, this episode is very telling.

Many so-called “conservatives” are just as willing to wipe their ass with the US Constitution as the leftists are.


93 posted on 06/10/2013 10:45:13 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: Cementjungle

All he’s told us that’s new, is that the Obama admin is tapping all of us without bothering with the warrant part.


Ozcams Razor at work...

“The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct.”


94 posted on 06/10/2013 10:46:38 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: Deathtomarxists

It has, however, allowed obama to build a database of political dissidents, including those of you here on this site.


So true, and with my moniker probably a double whammy....


95 posted on 06/10/2013 10:47:53 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: SeekAndFind

As a taxpayer, I’m not paying you to look out after my Fourth Amendment rights. I’m paying you to do whatever job you were hired to do, and if you find that job too ethically distasteful, then you should quit.


Manning released info that benefited Islamic terrorists and foreign governments. This guy released information needed to protect Americans’ constitutional rights from our new KGB. He swore to uphold our constitution, you mindless idiot. As a tax payer, I want all gov. employees to do that!!!!!


96 posted on 06/10/2013 10:48:50 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: gaijin

Most red-diaper-baby NeoCons would be perfectly happy to see America lose our future to insure the future of Israel, and no small number of American lives lost fighting Israel’s battles.

Sadly for the neo-cons, their short-sighted agenda has brought about a very different result: One political party is now open hostile to Israel, and the other has a base that is rapidly becoming indifferent.

As far as I’m concerned now, if Jews want to preserve the future of Israel, they and they alone can pay for it. It is Not My Problem.


97 posted on 06/10/2013 10:49:06 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: ScottinVA

What amazes me is if this revelation about tracking the phone records of every single American had occurred during the Bush Administration, the “media” and dems would’ve been screaming for heads.


So true. The impeachment drum would be wringing loud and clear.


98 posted on 06/10/2013 10:49:24 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: SeekAndFind

My lord, I hate cowards. Hence, I detest the GOPe.


99 posted on 06/10/2013 10:51:35 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Even the military isn’t obligated to follow every order. In fact, individual soldiers can be punished for following orders that they know violate the Laws of War. The same thing goes for government employees. If they see corruption, they are obliged to report it.

Snowden might deserve punishment for not working through his chain of command if he believed they were doing something immoral or unconstitutional. However, what’s one to do if they believe the corruption goes all the way to the top? What if the courts and Congress are simply rubber stamping everything the NSA wants to do?

What do you do when the people tasked to enforce the law are the biggest law breakers?


100 posted on 06/10/2013 10:52:17 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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