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Edward Snowden: What Happened to Just Quitting?
Townhall ^ | 06/10/2013 | Rich Galen

Posted on 06/10/2013 9:31:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: cripplecreek

As I’ve mentioned before this whole show is seen from the wrong perspective...until people at least understand the Global Agenda, and it’s movements, their opinions are at best limited to only seeing the affects and not the real plans in motions.

The Borders will remain opened....and for a time yet be unsecured....later they will “build” but not to keep people out...but control who leaves IMO.


61 posted on 06/10/2013 9:58:06 AM PDT by caww
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To: jjotto

The leak is real, I’m just pointing out how government uses one thing to justify another.

In this case, if we had a secure border and rational immigration policies we wouldn’t need all this domestic spying.


62 posted on 06/10/2013 9:58:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I haven’t heard anything new except an acronym from this guy, PRISM. What new information did this guy release. Did he release any data at all? We knew they were tracking phone calls. Phone company has kept records like this for years. We knew they watched e-mails. The goverment claims they were only tracking calls being made to and from foreign countries. Did he give us any information that they were doing anything else?


63 posted on 06/10/2013 9:59:24 AM PDT by ThomasThomas (A bad hair day is not a mental issue, or is it?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“The CIA is spying on people because that’s what we pay them to do.”

Not within CONUS. Title 50 specifically prohibits spying on “US Persons” except in VERY limited circumstances, or within the United States.


64 posted on 06/10/2013 10:01:47 AM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: oblomov

This seems more like a schoolyard taunt than a well-reasoned article.


Exactly. It is Townhall so I gave it a read thinking it would back up its assertion and my mind would be changed. It did no such thing. It sounded like a lot of liberal articles that are heavy with ranting and light on support for the position. REAL support, that is...


65 posted on 06/10/2013 10:02:20 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: American Constitutionalist
I am starting to think and believe this is all a effort not only to snoop on innocent Americans, but to undermine American’s spying abilities and national security capability.

I have my concerns too. The US government, as it appears today, looks horrible to the rest of the world. This is terrible PR.

66 posted on 06/10/2013 10:02:35 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: catfish1957

I have a serious problem that he was in Hong Kong.....

Especially in light of the movements on the World Stage by China now.

The guy simply isn’t important enough....and who really knows what the guy actually knows...he’s not said with any particulars.


67 posted on 06/10/2013 10:03:54 AM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m 66-years-old, cranky most of the time, and if the government wants to track who I call and what I download, then have at it.


That makes no sense. Rather, it sounds like what some kid with no real understanding of the constitution would say.

My take is that the older you get, the MORE this matters. You gain wisdom and realize why it is important.

Then again, with age comes wisdom. But sometimes age comes alone...


68 posted on 06/10/2013 10:05:23 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: catfish1957

unlikely he was on the take. he was making too much and had a cushy job. his libertarian voting/donating records is a clear indication that he is doing this just for the reasons he has stated. However, as we already see, the media, elites (dems and Rinos) are going to paint him as a chinese spy so they can light of world war three and erase the debt they have dumped on all of us. Don’t fall for it - don’t fall for the elitist lies anymore!


69 posted on 06/10/2013 10:05:25 AM PDT by Deathtomarxists (yellow black or white hillary's pantsuits stink by night!!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
How could the NSA be made more efficient and steamline? Do we really need a building 5 times longer than a football field.Here is a suggestion....lets tatoo a number on everyones forarm.....No....that has been tried, and you need eyeballs on the forearm to make that ID.

I am in the cattle buisness. We are moving to identify eartags to track cattle from the time it leaves the ranch to the feedlots to the rendering house (slaughter) to the boxed carcasses then on to the end user (the one who eats the cattle). Now, can we improve on this process? It would never sell to put eartags on everyone. But that little microprocessor chip built into that eartage....could we take just that functional part of the eartag and...say....imlant it into everyone. Under Obamacare religious organizations are being forced to pay for abortifacients...they capitulated rather than take to the streets by the millions. It would be just a little implant. It would hardly be physically discernable.

That would streamline the whole process. We would not have to follow the various numbers...just the specific number. It could be run out of the west wing of the white house. It would be cheaper. Not to worry that those numbers might be identified with a justice of the supreme court, or the leadership of the House and Senate. They would never do that....would they?

70 posted on 06/10/2013 10:05:50 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (')
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To: dirtboy

If I were a lawyer, I would be salivating to take this case.

Everyone must decide for themselves what is legal and ethical. The bottom line is whether or not what the NSA was Constitutional or not. If it was, Snowden will end up spending life behind bars. If it’s not, then he was doing his duty to support, protect and defend the Constitution.

The question is whether or not they will prosecute him. If they do and he can make a prima facia case that the NSA action was unconstitutional, his ability to subpoena evidence will scare the NSA to death. Eric Holder already wants to keep secret a District Court decision declaring some program unconstitutional.

It should be interesting.


71 posted on 06/10/2013 10:06:18 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Deathtomarxists
he was making too much

Have you seen his W-2?

72 posted on 06/10/2013 10:06:52 AM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: ilgipper

NSA’s job is to keep track of every FOREIGN transaction, includisg financial originating in the US. Of course the way the Internet routes messages makes the definition of foreign a little blurry at times.

The need is there because the US’s immigration policy itsists on permitting persons from foreign countries that have groups hostile to us to enter this country.


73 posted on 06/10/2013 10:07:36 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just wait til Townhall’s personal emails and crap are put out for all to see and there will be a 180 on this so fast your head will spin.


74 posted on 06/10/2013 10:07:58 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: stayathomemom

we had all the spy capabilities we needed - and then obama turned them on us, U.S. Citizens, in a massive wave of disgusting attacks. Such a system must be dismantled for there is no “reset button”.


75 posted on 06/10/2013 10:08:11 AM PDT by Deathtomarxists (yellow black or white hillary's pantsuits stink by night!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey, earth to Rich Galen.

If I see treason, I’m gonna call it out.

Not just quietly quit and let it continue.

I used to work for Stalin doing record keeping of a lot people’s names, addresses and political leanings. He was murdering people by the tens of thousands that were on the lists that I maintained. Made me sick. So I transferred to a different department where I didn’t have to think about it. After enough vodka, I’m fine.

Of course, one couldn’t “speak out” against Stalin. Well, maybe once.

See, Mr. Galen, we’re trying to undo the police state that globalists are turning America into.

Next !


76 posted on 06/10/2013 10:08:51 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen
I used to work for Stalin doing record keeping of a lot people’s names, addresses and political leanings. He was murdering people by the tens of thousands that were on the lists that I maintained. Made me sick. So I transferred to a different department where I didn’t have to think about it. After enough vodka, I’m fine.

Zing!

77 posted on 06/10/2013 10:11:19 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Deathtomarxists

<....”unlikely he was on the take. he was making too much and had a cushy job”....>

The guy was one of the new World Citizens....and he may very well have been offered considerable more than the he had.

He’s had International Correspondence since he was a kid....chatting with people around the world. So this guy could go anywhere and be comfortable.

I don’t see him as a spy...hardly so...rather an opportunist.


78 posted on 06/10/2013 10:11:38 AM PDT by caww
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To: ilgipper
Townhall is infected with GOPe massive immigration types, who know that unfettered "electronic surveillance" is absolutely critical to some semblance of safety when flooding a nation with potentially hostile third world types.

I guarantee you every single person currently defending the NSA's misdeeds is also a staunch supporter of "comprehensive immigration reform".

79 posted on 06/10/2013 10:12:08 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: SeekAndFind
I think we are insane. We supposedly are in a war against someone we can't name or against a belief we won't talk about, so we leave our borders wide open and the federal government, whose Constitution mandate is to enforce the border, sues border states that do and supports "Sanctuary Cities" that harbor illegal invaders, and seeks to enact legislation to grant them full citizenship and total access.

In the middle of all of this, all of our Constitutional protections, those checks that balance, are being or have been removed.

We have lost control of our elections, border, currency, treasure and almost all of our media are little more than mouth pieces for approved speech only.

But, Mr. Galen, in the face of that, we are to believe this guy is a traitor? To what? In the face of the obvious, dude, how much longer before we are all traitors?

Rich, you might want to adjust that Mark of the Beast you're wearing? It's a little crooked.

80 posted on 06/10/2013 10:12:31 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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