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Edward Snowden: What Happened to Just Quitting?
Townhall ^ | 06/10/2013 | Rich Galen

Posted on 06/10/2013 9:31:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Edward Snowden is not a hero. He's a 29-year-old former security guard at the National Security Agency who ended up knowing way too much about what goes on at the NSA, CIA and the rest of the intelligence community. In case you missed it over the weekend, he is the kid who spilled the beans about the NSA's PRISM program.

Snowden is now in Hong Kong, probably awaiting a fairly severe knock on his hotel room door by some Chinese cop who will ask him nicely to put his hands behind his back and provide the story line for next season's "Locked Up Abroad."

There is a serious flaw in Edward Snowden's and Bradley Manning's (the U.S. soldier who copied and sent miles of secret messages to Wikileaks) claims that they were looking out for you and me.

As a taxpayer, I'm not paying you to look out after my Fourth Amendment rights. I'm paying you to do whatever job you were hired to do, and if you find that job too ethically distasteful, then you should quit.

But keep your mouth shut.

If everyone is allowed to decide for themselves what is legal and ethical and what is not, then society - not just American society - will collapse. I happen to hate bicycle riders who run stop signs. I think that America would be far better off if bicycle riders who run stop signs are rendered incapable of riding a bicycle at all.

You disagree? Too bad. Under the Snowden/Bradley Rule, I get to pick and choose which laws I obey and which I violate. You can decide to rat out the barrista at your local Starbucks who gives the cute girl from down the block a Grande every day when she only pays for a Tall.

Or you can decide to use your get-out-of-jail-free card to inform on that guy on the fifth floor who is always bragging about his landscapers being from Mars and thus are Little Green Men without Little Green Cards.

If you read or watch the Guardian's interview with Snowden, the first thing that comes to mind is this: Who is in charge of H.R. at the CIA, the NSA and Booz Allen Hamilton - all of whom Snowden has worked over the past four years?

The NSA is tracking phone calls and Google searches because that's what it's in business to do. The only reason the NSA exists is to track phone calls and Google searches - or some facsimile of those things. The CIA is spying on people because that's what we pay them to do.

It is a little hard to swallow the notion that this kid can be smart enough to go from security guard to CIA covert operative and Booz Allen consultant and yet look like the main character in an Edvard Munch painting when he finds out that the NSA and CIA are snooping on people.

I have an advantage over most of you in that I've finally grown into being a curmudgeon. I'm 66-years-old, cranky most of the time, and if the government wants to track who I call and what I download, then have at it.

However, if you are 28 and think you have a future in the government that might include a job requiring Senate confirmation, you probably should be worried.

Edward Snowden should be extradited from Hong Kong and tried in the United States. If he is found guilty - and given his public interviews it won't take Rudy Giuliani or Chris Christy to get a conviction - he should go to federal prison for a long time.

While he's there, I hope that the U.S. Government's security services will continue to do what they are paid to do.

I hope.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: edwardsnowden; nsa
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1 posted on 06/10/2013 9:31:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Who infiltrated Townhall? The NSA’s job is not to track every phone call, email, and internet posting by private citizens. If it is, the NSA needs to be dismantled yesterday.


2 posted on 06/10/2013 9:33:59 AM PDT by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sure, don’t decry massive data gathering on American citizens in violation of the 4th Amendment AND the Patriot Act itself. Shriek at the guy who revealed that gross usurpation.


3 posted on 06/10/2013 9:34:00 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: SeekAndFind
I am starting to think and believe this is all a effort not only to snoop on innocent Americans, but to undermine American’s spying abilities and national security capability.
4 posted on 06/10/2013 9:35:19 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: SeekAndFind
If everyone is allowed to decide for themselves what is legal and ethical and what is not, then society - not just American society - will collapse.

Society IS heading towards collapse, and largely because those deciding what is ethical and legal have no ethics and long ago discarded the legal limits of the Constitution.

5 posted on 06/10/2013 9:36:08 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

This one is separating the boys from the men.

The boys are clinging to dear old Uncle Sam’s leg in fear and the men are willing to ditch the “security” in favor of freedom.


6 posted on 06/10/2013 9:36:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ilgipper

Rich Galen is a GOPe factotum. Has been for years.


7 posted on 06/10/2013 9:37:12 AM PDT by abb
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To: SeekAndFind

You’re done, Galen. Your party is getting nothing in 2014. Patriots are abandoning it as a lost cause.


8 posted on 06/10/2013 9:37:26 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: SeekAndFind

So whats the difference between reporting the “torture” of a prisoner and reporting this massive breach of the 4th amendment?

The comparison between Snowden and Manning is false.


9 posted on 06/10/2013 9:37:27 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind
He should have just done his job like a good Nazi.
10 posted on 06/10/2013 9:37:56 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Forget it, Jake. It's Eric Holder's people.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Among other questions (already raised), why does this writer refer to Snowden as a “kid”?

This seems more like a schoolyard taunt than a well-reasoned article.


11 posted on 06/10/2013 9:38:09 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: SeekAndFind
If everyone is allowed to decide for themselves what is legal and ethical and what is not, then society - not just American society - will collapse...

Excuse me... THIS IS WHAT B HUSSEIN OBAMUGABE does every day......along with the mainstream media......

12 posted on 06/10/2013 9:38:12 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SeekAndFind

“I’m 66-years-old, cranky most of the time, and if the government wants to track who I call and what I download, then have at it.”

This author is more pissed that he knows what the NSA is doing rather than them doing it in the first place.

He’s OK with the govt. continuing to spy on Americans and the whole issue would have been better solved with adding one former security guard to the unemployment rolls than reporting abuses.

Some people just don’t take kindly to their bubble of happy illusion being burst.


13 posted on 06/10/2013 9:38:50 AM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: SeekAndFind

They got a lib to write this article.


14 posted on 06/10/2013 9:39:26 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: SeekAndFind
"As a taxpayer, I'm not paying you to look out after my Fourth Amendment rights."

As a taxpayer, I demand that my government do exactly that. Along with all the other God-given rights the Constitution so eloquently enumerates.

15 posted on 06/10/2013 9:40:27 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He IS a hero and patriot.


16 posted on 06/10/2013 9:40:34 AM PDT by proudpapa (A school is supposed to be a safe place!' Yeah well so is a womb!)
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To: ilgipper

Something tells me Townhall is reacting to its funding sources.


17 posted on 06/10/2013 9:40:55 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: SeekAndFind

In the end, there will be few in Congress who disagree with PRISM or snooping on us. They will say they want safeguards, but they know they are and will be ignored, no matter who is in charge. The silence from the GOP is deafening.


18 posted on 06/10/2013 9:42:17 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: SeekAndFind

>>Edward Snowden should be extradited from Hong Kong and tried in the United States.

Under what charges? Didn’t the 1971 SCOTUS decision in NYT vs. US (the “Pentagon Papers case”) establish that it is not unlawful to publish classified information?


19 posted on 06/10/2013 9:42:19 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: SeekAndFind

Fockin Stoopit and a now of the closet socialist.

Go to Hell and Burn...


20 posted on 06/10/2013 9:42:33 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SeekAndFind
"While he's there, I hope that the U.S. Government's security services will continue to do what they are paid to do. I hope."

We're done with "hope," Sparky. Those services were effectively turned against us after 2008. Those that were not, have been too busy chasing whores, drinking like frat boys, and revealing state secrets in Colombian brothels.
21 posted on 06/10/2013 9:43:51 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: oblomov

Look at Sandy Berger. He stole classified documents and destroyed them to protect a democrat president and he got probation.


22 posted on 06/10/2013 9:44:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ilgipper

This article is crap. Snowden did exactly the right thing. He swore an oath to protect the Constitution from ALL enemies, be they foreign OR DOMESTIC.

Lefties and RINOs had better get right on this, quick.


23 posted on 06/10/2013 9:44:53 AM PDT by steerpike100
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To: All

What about simply PROFILING certain suspected people living in the USA and secretly tracking their phone calls here and to and from overseas, , albeit WITH A WARRANT, ? Is that a violation of the fourth amendment?


24 posted on 06/10/2013 9:45:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
What Happened to Just Quitting?

What happened to the Constitution, the Rule of Law, a government of/by/for the People??

If you see something (un-Constitutional), SAY SOMETHING!!

25 posted on 06/10/2013 9:45:44 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: American Constitutionalist

<....”I am starting to think and believe this is all a effort not only to snoop on innocent Americans, but to undermine American’s spying abilities and national security capability”....>

Indeed....get the American people riled up via the press...and even the BO media is having a say on this...pushing the story along.

The “script” seems to tight and neat.


26 posted on 06/10/2013 9:46:28 AM PDT by caww
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To: PowderMonkey

If they really cared about security they would start with securing our borders and refrain from importing terrorists.

However if they did those things they would have even more trouble justifying their domestic spying.


27 posted on 06/10/2013 9:46:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Yah, Herr Galen. Just following ze orders und keeping my mouth shut.

I know nothinnnggg, nothinnnggg.

Signed, Sergeant Schultz.

28 posted on 06/10/2013 9:46:57 AM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: SeekAndFind

He hasn’t really given up anything we didn’t already know in terms of capability. We already knew that the Feds can access all this stuff pretty easily given they have a warrant. All he’s told us that’s new, is that the Obama admin is tapping all of us without bothering with the warrant part.


29 posted on 06/10/2013 9:47:52 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: SeekAndFind

Guy gave up a $200K/yr. job, his family, girl friend, freedom, and everything else to out a despot corrupt gone amok government. Yeah, he is a hero in my book.


30 posted on 06/10/2013 9:47:58 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey NSA Goon watching FR... Suck this - > =====>)
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm not paying you to look out after my Fourth Amendment rights.

How do you even begin to confront this level of stupidity and arrogance? These programs are wrapped in deep layers of secrecy. There is no effective oversight by entities with track records of usurping power. The DOJ is corrupt. The US media is complicit. Who the heck else can turn on the lights so the taxpayers can see the roaches scurry?

31 posted on 06/10/2013 9:48:00 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: ilgipper
BTTT

I read that sentence and stopped reading.

32 posted on 06/10/2013 9:48:37 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: PghBaldy

<....”The silence from the GOP is deafening”....>

Well some are “talking” but no action....and I don’t anticipate there will be...just enough to to appease the media and the public outcry...par for the course.


33 posted on 06/10/2013 9:48:59 AM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind
As a taxpayer, I'm not paying you to look out after my Fourth Amendment rights. I'm paying you to do whatever job you were hired to do, and if you find that job too ethically distasteful, then you should quit.

As a taxpayer I sure the heck do not appreciate paying for my government to violate the U.S. Constitution at every step.
As a Verizon shareholder I also do not appreciate Verizon being forced to waste resources to provide this information to an overreaching (Constitution violating) government.

34 posted on 06/10/2013 9:49:14 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: SeekAndFind

This was the trajectory of what happens to a “whistleblower” when he (or she) comes up against the Current Regime. In-your-face, smash-mouth, brass knuckled, sucker-punch, no holds barred, a coup has happened in the territory once known as “the United States of America”. The enemies of the Current Occupant now squatting in the White Hut are hounded and cornered, in the sights of a Predator drone wherever they may flee, or subject to arrest and detention by other regimes elsewhere in the world.

If you are going to take a shot at the king, by all means, do not miss. Vengeance is never a pretty thing, and is not subject to the rules of common decency.


35 posted on 06/10/2013 9:49:17 AM PDT by alloysteel (When did the government suddenly become our psycho ex-girlfriend? - Jay Leno)
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To: SeekAndFind

Galen appears to agree with Warren Burger, a dissenter in NYT vs. US:
“the imperative of a free and unfettered press comes into collision with another imperative, the effective functioning of a complex modern government”

You know, Warren Burger, that great champion of the Constitution and individual liberty. (/sarc)


36 posted on 06/10/2013 9:49:27 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s right; it’s not some NSA programmer’s job to watchdog unconstitutional activities at our spy agencies. That is a job for our elected representatives. The question is when our elected representatives completely fail are we supposed to just submit gracefully to tyranny?

21 See how the faithful city
has become a prostitute!
She once was full of justice;
righteousness used to dwell in her—
but now murderers!
22 Your silver has become dross,
your choice wine is diluted with water.
23 Your rulers are rebels,
partners with thieves;
they all love bribes
and chase after gifts.
They do not defend the cause of the fatherless;
the widow’s case does not come before them.

Isaiah 1


37 posted on 06/10/2013 9:49:46 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: cripplecreek

DING DING DING - WINNER

This is a fake leak. The goal is intimidating the public to prevent opposition to open borders and endless printing of money. Both DC parties are in it together.


38 posted on 06/10/2013 9:49:57 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: SeekAndFind
You disagree? Too bad. Under the Snowden/Bradley Rule, I get to pick and choose which laws I obey and which I violate. You can decide to rat out the barrista at your local Starbucks who gives the cute girl from down the block a Grande every day when she only pays for a Tall. Or you can decide to use your get-out-of-jail-free card to inform on that guy on the fifth floor who is always bragging about his landscapers being from Mars and thus are Little Green Men without Little Green Cards.

Uh...is it me, or is there nothing wrong with either of those two examples? A manager at Starbucks SHOULD put a stop to special favors for customers by employees. And it is a GOOD thing to report the hiring of illegal aliens to ICE.

39 posted on 06/10/2013 9:50:07 AM PDT by montag813
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To: SeekAndFind
"As a taxpayer, I'm not paying you to look out after my Fourth Amendment rights. I'm paying you to do whatever job you were hired to do, and if you find that job too ethically distasteful, then you should quit."

This is a rediculously short sighted, and dangerous attitude, Rich. One which I fundamentally disagree with.

Our people serving in such posituion take an oath, first and foremost, to "protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic, and to bear TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME."

So, Rich, we actually do hire them to watch out for the constitution.

And thank God we do.

Otherwise you end up with mindless robots who end up giving their allegaince to the leader, and not to the underlying principles. We are dangerously close to that stage now, and attitudes like this almost ensure that we will go over that cliff.

As I see it, as to upholding the oath and ensuring that he did not do things contrary to the constitution, that is precisely what this individual did, he kept his oath to the Constitution and disopbeyed orders he felt violated that oath and told us all about it.

Therefore, in my estimation, it is the people asking him to break THAT OATH who are the traitors. Who are fundamentally violating very specific and clear provisions and amendments to the Constitution because it they think they are smarter and have a higher morality than the people whom they serve.

Kudos to this man for having the strength to stand up to the criminal kabal that has infected our government. God bless and protect him for so doing...and may tens of thousands more stand up and do the same.

AMERICA AT THE CROSSROADS OF HISTORY

40 posted on 06/10/2013 9:51:54 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: American Constitutionalist

We have a winner!


41 posted on 06/10/2013 9:52:02 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: SeekAndFind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY


42 posted on 06/10/2013 9:52:12 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: catfish1957

<....”Guy gave up a $200K/yr. job, his family, girl friend”....>

Well maybe he got a bigger offer.


43 posted on 06/10/2013 9:52:16 AM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind
Rich Galen ; what ever happened to the constitution ??

"The right of the people to be secure
in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable searches
and seizures,
shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue,
but upon probable cause,
supported by Oath or affirmation,
and particularly describing the place
to be searched, and the persons
or things to be seized."


44 posted on 06/10/2013 9:52:59 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: SeekAndFind
If everyone is allowed to decide for themselves what is legal and ethical and what is not, then society - not just American society - will collapse.

Absolutely stunning comment.

Everyone has the inalienable right to decide for themselves what should be legal and what is ethical.

If they are wrong, then they should suffer the consequences.

If they are right, then they should be thanked for blowing the whistle.

So then the question really is, is the NSA doing something unconstitutional? If it is, then it's Snowden's and everybodies moral responsibility to blow the whistle.

Spooked Rich Galen.

45 posted on 06/10/2013 9:53:38 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Chgogal

Galen obviously does not understand what the Constitution says and why we have it.........


46 posted on 06/10/2013 9:53:47 AM PDT by Stayfree (If it is left, then it can't be right!)
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To: American Constitutionalist

If Barry can’t play with the spook toys he will destroy them.


47 posted on 06/10/2013 9:54:21 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: SeekAndFind

I completely, 100% disagree. The man is a hero. How on Earth can a Conservative support a Police State and this kind of State intrusion into our lives?

I hope he releases more. It is time to expose the incredible damage to America caused by the Patriot Act.


48 posted on 06/10/2013 9:54:42 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Beagle8U

Somebody’s watching me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY


49 posted on 06/10/2013 9:54:55 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: SeekAndFind

But, I thought dissent was patriotic!

Didn’t the “Lion of the Senate” Ed Kennedy go to Moscow and collaborate with the Russians in an attempt to defeat President Regan’s policies?

Weren’t we told by the smartest woman in the Senate and ex-Secretary of State at opposition to president’s Bush’s policies the highest form of patriotism?

So, why isn’t the personal defense of our Constitution given the same praise? I am quite certain that he knew the fall out of his actions when he opened the can of worms up. While I am not willing, yet, to start founding father comparisons, I think it will end up there because this administration depends on secrecy to rule.


50 posted on 06/10/2013 9:55:15 AM PDT by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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