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Popes and Dopes
WSJ Online ^ | March 14, 2013 | James Taranto

Posted on 03/15/2013 3:07:42 PM PDT by Kaslin

Some journalists are remarkably ignorant--or at least think their readers are.

The Roman Catholic Church has a new pope, and The New Yorker's Jane Kramer brings her readers the astonishing news that "you will not see women in the priesthood anytime soon; or married clergy; or an end to the bans on divorce, abortion, and contraception; or a reprieve for the nuns in trousers who go forth to give food, music, and solace to the poor; or even an acknowledgement that 'unrepentant' gay and lesbian Catholic men and women might, conceivably, get to heaven."

Kramer got scooped by National Journal's Amy Sullivan, who reported yesterday that "the cardinals . . . were never going to elect a pope who supports married clergy or female priests." Sullivan explained that "there was some discussion in the media about whether the cardinals would elect a 'reformer.' But that word does not mean the same thing in a Catholic context that it might elsewhere."

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1 posted on 03/15/2013 3:07:42 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I’m not a Catholic...but I’m sitting here wondering...why does she even want to BOTHER with the the Bible and Christ’s beliefs?

If she’s not going to go to mass...what the heck should SHE care?

I already know the answer, but I just thought I’d throw it out. My fingers needed the exercise. :)


2 posted on 03/15/2013 3:11:15 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Kaslin

OMG! You mean that the will uphold the teachings of the Church?

How awful is that?/sarc


3 posted on 03/15/2013 3:11:57 PM PDT by basil (basil, 2ASisters.org)
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To: basil

Oops—should be “HE”, not the.....


4 posted on 03/15/2013 3:13:01 PM PDT by basil (basil, 2ASisters.org)
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To: Kaslin

You have to wonder why they even care? What does it really matter to them what a church says?

The answer is they do not believe it should be legal to have an opposing viewpoint


5 posted on 03/15/2013 3:15:26 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL; Kaslin

“They do not believe it should be legal to have an opposing viewpoint”

- or a consistent, or deeply held one.

I’m going to do my blood pressure a huge favor and move on, and not read any more of the article.


6 posted on 03/15/2013 3:18:12 PM PDT by Chad N. Freud (FR is the modern equivalent of the Committees of Correspondence. Let other analogies arise.)
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To: Brad's Gramma
She cares, because somehow self-identifying as "Catholic" even though she believe nothing and practices nothing that the Church teaches gives her some kind of weird sense of belonging.

She cares, because her Father the Devil wants to use her to damage the Church.

This creature does not believe as a Catholic, does not act as a Catholic, but still self-identifies as one ...

And other folks, people of ill-will, attempt to tar believing and practicing Catholics with the brush of her infidelity.

Sad.

7 posted on 03/15/2013 3:18:18 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Kaslin

People pay money for this crap?


8 posted on 03/15/2013 3:23:54 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Brad's Gramma

I am not a Catholic either but have many Catholic
friends and I respect the religion. I would say
that if the church has changed it’s doctrines at
the highest levels in the past it would seem that
the door would be open for those who promote changes
no matter how dumb they might be. In my lifetime
I have seen the Catholic practice of no meat consump-
tion on Fridays go by the wayside but I can’t say that
the origin of that edict came from the highest of
sources in the first place. Maybe a few of our Catholic
FRiends can enlighten.


9 posted on 03/15/2013 3:30:30 PM PDT by Sivad (Nor Cal Red Turf)
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To: Kaslin; BlackElk; Impy; lightman; PhilCollins; NYer; Salvation
It would be hilarious to give the left-wing crybabies a taste of their own medicine if a bunch of conservatives joined a long-time socially liberal church and constantly DEMANDED they change their beliefs to suit ours.

Seriously, I'd pay good money if a bunch of staunch conservatives became Unitarians en masse and began calling for the Unitarian church to elect a "reformer" President of the Unitarian Universalist Association who will "expand the tent" and more "inclusive" toward conservative Unitarians by dropping the church's "divisive" support for gay marriage, start to condemn abortion on demand and Roe v. Wade, cease ordaining gay people and women as clergy, ban non-Christians from serving as clergy ("as conservative Christian Unitarians, this practice deeply offends us and having a non-Christian lead our congregation is discriminatory and hurtful towards those of us who believe Christianity is the true faith") stop supporting taxpayer funded embryonic stem cell research, etc., etc.

There really haven't been any noteworthy conservative Unitarians for decades, the last one I can think of was President William Howard Taft. Probably because conservative people go find another church instead of demanding a liberal church change its beliefs. But since the same is NOT true of liberal Catholics, Baptists, etc., maybe it's time we give it a shot. Wonder how the mainstream media would feel about the "oppressed" conservative Unitarians trying to "reform" their church.

10 posted on 03/15/2013 3:31:26 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Huskrrrr

Not sure what you mean in this instance with “People pay money for this crap?”?


11 posted on 03/15/2013 3:31:47 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Just guessing but Jane KRAMER is probably JEWISH!!!


12 posted on 03/15/2013 3:35:12 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Kaslin
The Roman Catholic Church has a new pope, and The New Yorker's Jane Kramer brings her readers the astonishing news that "you will not see women in the priesthood anytime soon; or married clergy; or an end to the bans on divorce, abortion, and contraception; or a reprieve for the nuns in trousers who go forth to give food, music, and solace to the poor; or even an acknowledgement that 'unrepentant' gay and lesbian Catholic men and women might, conceivably, get to heaven."

The point on clerical celibacy excepted, THANK GOD!!!

13 posted on 03/15/2013 3:35:40 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Kaslin; BlackElk; Impy; lightman; PhilCollins; NYer; Salvation

Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations in North America
Membership 162,796 (adult members)

Heh. With those kinds of numbers, we could change this “church” overnight by joining en masse and becoming non-practicing conservative Christian “Unitarians” who are disenfranchised and demanding the church change its ways to make us comfortable. If 600,000 conservative christians across the U.S. started self-identifying as “Unitarian” (don’t need to actually join or attend their churches, just use the label like liberal Catholics do), we’d have:

“Latest polls show over 80% of self-described “Unitarians” say abortion is a mortal sin and should be illegal in almost every circumstance. When will the out of touch pro-abortion leadership of the Unitarian Church get with the times and listen to the voice of its members?”


14 posted on 03/15/2013 3:38:30 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: GeronL

Bingo!


15 posted on 03/15/2013 3:38:39 PM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Brad's Gramma
"I’m not a Catholic...but I’m sitting here wondering...why does she even want to BOTHER with the the Bible and Christ’s beliefs?"

Because they know they are going to hell and they want to take you there with them.

16 posted on 03/15/2013 3:38:49 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Kaslin
This would be like her writing an article after Obama's election lamenting that he will never lower taxes, never cut government spending, never defend the DOMA, etc, etc,

Idiot

17 posted on 03/15/2013 3:41:48 PM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: Sivad
In my lifetime I have seen the Catholic practice of no meat consump- tion on Fridays go by the wayside but I can’t say that the origin of that edict came from the highest of sources in the first place. Maybe a few of our Catholic FRiends can enlighten.

The edict of not eating meat on Fridays has been reduced to just during Lent.

Where it came from exactly I am not sure, however according to Mary of Agreda and a few other sources, the Mother of Jesus never ate meat, only fish. But, she happily fixed it for Jesus and Joseph. That may or may not be part of the source for the eventual edict.

18 posted on 03/15/2013 3:56:22 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Brad's Gramma

You do not adjust to changing times when it concerns the Gospels. You adjust to the teachings of Jesus Christ. In the Catholic Church, there will be no women priests, there will be no abortion of any kind, and there will be no acceptance of sodomite “marriage”. It does look like braindead liberals could get this through their thick-ass heads.


19 posted on 03/15/2013 3:58:58 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet; y'all
I got it! I was ridiculing this chick.

She's proudly, yet VERY sadly...marching herself to hell.

20 posted on 03/15/2013 4:02:30 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Psalm 83)
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