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Normalizing Pedophilia
National Review ^ | January 5, 2013 12:59 P.M. | By Wesley J. Smith

Posted on 01/05/2013 2:00:50 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

Decadence is on the march! And now, a defense of pedophilia as just another “sexual orientation” has been published in the mainstream left wing UK newspaper The GuardianFrom, “Paedophilia: Bringing Dark Desires Into the Light:”

Paedophiles may be wired differently. This is radical stuff. But there is a growing conviction, notably in Canada, that paedophilia should probably be classified as a distinct sexual orientation, like heterosexuality or homosexuality. Two eminent researchers testified to that effect to a Canadian parliamentary commission last year, and the Harvard Mental Health Letter of July 2010 stated baldly that paedophilia “is a sexual orientation” and therefore “unlikely to change”.

This isn’t news. We already know that those who abuse children sexually are always dangerous. That is why they must register with the police when released from prison.

Understanding causes is one thing–I’m all for it–but the effort is definitely underway to normalize the behavior:

The reclassification of paedophilia as a sexual orientation would, however, play into what Goode calls “the sexual liberation discourse”, which has existed since the 1970s. “There are a lot of people,” she says, “who say: we outlawed homosexuality, and we were wrong. Perhaps we’re wrong about paedophilia.”

Social perceptions do change. Child brides were once the norm; in the late 16th century the age of consent in England was 10. More recently, campaigning organisations of the 70s and 80s such as the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) and Paedophile Action for Liberation were active members of the NCCL when it made its parliamentary submission questioning the lasting damage caused by consensual paedophilic relations… A Dutch study published in 1987 found that a sample of boys in paedophilic relationships felt positively about them. And a major if still controversial 1998-2000 meta-study suggests – as J Michael Bailey of Northwestern University, Chicago, says – that such relationships, entered into voluntarily, are “nearly uncorrelated with undesirable outcomes”.

The idea, apparently, is to embrace pedophilia as a normal part of the human condition so that we can help those with the “orientation” refrain:

For Goode, though, broader, societal change is needed. “Adult sexual attraction to children is part of the continuum of human sexuality; it’s not something we can eliminate,” she says. “If we can talk about this rationally – acknowledge that yes, men do get sexually attracted to children, but no, they don’t have to act on it – we can maybe avoid the hysteria. We won’t label paedophiles monsters; it won’t be taboo to see and name what is happening in front of us.”

We can help keep children safe, Goode argues, “by allowing paedophiles to be ordinary members of society, with moral standards like everyone else”, and by “respecting and valuing those paedophiles who choose self-restraint”. Only then will men tempted to abuse children “be able to be honest about their feelings, and perhaps find people around them who could support them and challenge their behaviour before children get harmed”.

I am sorry, pedophiles can already get help in controlling their urges before they ruin a child’s life–and certainly, many do. Good on them. But turning the abhorrent and pathological into the somehow acceptable will not protect children. Quite the contrary.

Think about it: If the desire for sexual congress with children is just “another orientation”–an odious comparison, in my view–and if some children supposedly ”like it” when they voluntarily engage in sex with adults–and indeed, if it doesn’t actually hurt them–how long would the absolute rejection of cross-generation congress last? Not very. It wouldn’t be long until we saw the absolute prohibition on pedophilic sex downgraded to a mere “taboo,” which, as the last fifty years teach us, are made to be broken. NAMBLA members must be grinning ear-to-ear.

I call this kind of discussion, “terminal nonjudgmentalism,” because it is designed to move us from viewing pedophilia as absolutely unacceptable, to an issue that is debatable and should be “discussed,” toward the final goal of acceptability. 

No “conversation!” No debate! Having sexual relations with children treats them as mere objects, a good definition of evil.  If this view ever enters the mainstream–and that seems closer–we are on the road to cultural death.


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Think about it: If the desire for sexual congress with children is just “another orientation”–an odious comparison, in my view–and if some children supposedly ”like it” when they voluntarily engage in sex with adults–and indeed, if it doesn’t actually hurt them–how long would the absolute rejection of cross-generation congress last? Not very. It wouldn’t be long until we saw the absolute prohibition on pedophilic sex downgraded to a mere “taboo,” which, as the last fifty years teach us, are made to be broken. NAMBLA members must be grinning ear-to-ear

Between this, the idea that a child has the right to do what she wants with her body (at least in abortion and birth control cases) and the "politically correct" prohibition on judging other cultures (including, the military's ban on criticizing pedophilia in Muslim countries) I would guess that "pedophile rights" will be enshrined at part of U.S. jurisprudence in twenty years, tops.

1 posted on 01/05/2013 2:00:55 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I would guess that "pedophile rights" will be enshrined as part of U.S. jurisprudence in twenty years, tops.

Once we accept that children, including pre-pubescent children, can legitimately engage in sexual acts ... and we have accepted this, because our age-of-consent laws are relative, not absolute ... there are no logical limits for restraint.

2 posted on 01/05/2013 2:15:26 PM PST by Tax-chick (The paint is in the basket with the skulls in there. Don't tell me you can't find it!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Interesting the left is now admitting what we have been saying all along: being gay is the same as being a pedophile: deviant sexual “urges.”


3 posted on 01/05/2013 2:16:02 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The day after 9-11-2001, I stood in a courtroom giving a victim impact to the judge against a man who had ingratiated himself into our church youth group and ended up being charged with 123 counts of sex offenses against minors (all boys). The pervert pled out and went to jail. He eventually reoffended and will again plead out this Monday. Please pray that the judge throws the book at him for this second offense and for violating his probation. I hope he dies by someone’s hand in prison.


4 posted on 01/05/2013 2:16:14 PM PST by patriotsblood
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To: Tax-chick

of course

The perverts want anthing goes

it will be the end of civilization


5 posted on 01/05/2013 2:20:10 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: patriotsblood

I read that 47% of molested kids turnout gay

molesting kids is a gay recruiting tool


6 posted on 01/05/2013 2:22:42 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

SPJNK.


7 posted on 01/05/2013 2:24:39 PM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Good God.... From that link you posted...... Quoting....

The handbook says troops should avoid “making derogatory comments about the Taliban, advocating women’s rights, any criticism of pedophilia, directing any criticism towards Afghans, mentioning homosexuality and homosexual conduct” or “anything related to Islam.”

If we will discipline solidiers for merely speaking out about womens rights and in opposition to pedophilia then we can rest assured that we won't be defending those people from the assaults. And if we won't be defending young children from that sort of treatment, we are by definition evil.

It is possible for the US and the objectives of our armed forces to go from "forces of good" to being "forces of evil". Not saying we've done that yet, but if we go much farther we darn sure will have.

Discipling people for daring to verbally speak against pedophilia much less bayoneting the bastards they saw doing it. This is the sign of an organization that needs to correct its course quickly.

As to not speaking ill of the Taliban.... didn't we send the lads over there to blow them to smithereens ?
8 posted on 01/05/2013 2:25:15 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Paedophiles may be wired differently.

So are serial killers, dictators, zoophiles, and a host of other highly undesirable sorts.

9 posted on 01/05/2013 2:38:22 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: Nemoque; Morgana

bump


10 posted on 01/05/2013 2:43:07 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: tbpiper

wired differently?

maybe from abuse recieved as a child?


11 posted on 01/05/2013 2:44:10 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

If we accept that Homosexuality is just another orientation we must also accept that pedophilia, bestiality, Necrophilia,and any other sexual preference is alson just another orientation.

When these idiot head shrinkers accepted Homosexuality as normal all of the other sick perversions became normal too. After all they are only preferences.

When you accept one sickness you have to accept the others.

I do not accpet any of them as normal they are a pack of mentally ill perverts, who are only interested in gathering more perverts to their sickness. The world today seems to be willing to accept anything if it has to do with sex.

First they must destrpy religion and those who do not believe as they do and they are well on their way to doing it.

Sodom and Gomorrah was nothing compared to what these perverts have in mind.


12 posted on 01/05/2013 2:45:57 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Pure, unadulterated, demented evil.


13 posted on 01/05/2013 2:48:51 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (we)
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To: Venturer

it is a mental problem


14 posted on 01/05/2013 2:49:57 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

So is Homosexuality.

But the headshrinkers play along with it.


15 posted on 01/05/2013 2:52:05 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Slopes really are slippery!


16 posted on 01/05/2013 2:55:02 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Venturer

I was talking about homosexuality

They are probably the ones who want to make paedophilia legal, since 47% of these messed up kids getting molesting end up gay. Recruitment.


17 posted on 01/05/2013 2:56:09 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Planned Parenthood and Marie Stopes International are already trying to put "Sexual Rights of Children" into international law.

Comment from Pedophile Action League. "Good idea. I love children."

18 posted on 01/05/2013 2:59:07 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (It must be said, "The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

These folks worked with the homo’s to normalize their perversion up until about 1978. The homo’s realized the pedophilia was hurting their cause and broke off.

There is an active movement to normalize pedophilia and they are using the same methods the homo’s used.

Now they are teaching kids as young as kindergarten to be promiscuous and engage in perversion and calling it sex ed.


19 posted on 01/05/2013 2:59:22 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: tbpiper

Many of them aren’t wired differently from birth. The perversion is a taught behavior.


20 posted on 01/05/2013 3:00:42 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Sexual stimulation of children is intrinsically harmful to them, and the so-called experts who say otherwise are lying. The phenomenon of hypersexuality is well known, or was well known, to the mental health professions many years ago. It is the generator of impulse-ridden sexual behavior among preteens and teens, which is seen daily in the more depraved and degenerate precincts of the country.
21 posted on 01/05/2013 3:02:41 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: carriage_hill
wtf does SPJNK mean. English works fine here.
22 posted on 01/05/2013 3:05:02 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

How many years before we see pedophilia rights as a plank in the democrat party platform?


23 posted on 01/05/2013 3:05:39 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: umgud

2014.


24 posted on 01/05/2013 3:10:23 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: GeronL

The majority of child molestation involves a male perpetrator and a female victim.


25 posted on 01/05/2013 3:23:32 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

To the deranged perverts this is simply a “P” to add to the GLBTP alliance. They have been obsessed with other people’s kids since Sodom was a kingdom.


26 posted on 01/05/2013 3:24:17 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
The key for the promotion of sodomy is the lowering of the age of consent. Ths sodomites want those twelve year old pleasure boys.

As an aside the sodomites are not wise by claiming "they are wired" to be sodomites. If and when the healthy part of society wakes up the latter will be justified in concluding that the only way to effectively suppress the use of children for sexual gratification will be to kill the sodomites.

27 posted on 01/05/2013 3:29:18 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
The key for the promotion of sodomy is the lowering of the age of consent. Ths sodomites want those twelve year old pleasure boys.

As an aside the sodomites are not wise by claiming "they are wired" to be sodomites. If and when the healthy part of society wakes up the latter will be justified in concluding that the only way to effectively supress the use of children for sexual gratification will be to kill the sodomites

28 posted on 01/05/2013 3:29:59 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: GeronL

No way would I permit a perv to molest my kid, no matter what the liberals make normal. He’d be sooo dead....

If this is forced on society, there will be a lot of dead liberals.


29 posted on 01/05/2013 3:33:38 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

FWIW, I prosecuted hundreds of pedophile cases. It is rarely about the sex and is a definitive “mental illness”. Of the cases I prosecuted I’d say 90% were family members and about 90% were heterosexual. Again ... fwiw.


30 posted on 01/05/2013 3:36:53 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: allmendream
The majority of child molestation involves a male perpetrator and a female victim.

A great deal of male homo paedo rape goes unreported due to the stigma upon male victims. Look at the many priest paedophile scandals that never emerged until the victims were adults.

31 posted on 01/05/2013 3:42:50 PM PST by fattigermaster
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To: fattigermaster

Yes, and no doubt one of the big stigmas is saying that the victim of such an assault is now gay, is going to be gay, etc.

Much more women than men are victims of sexual assault as a child, anonymous survey or criminal records. The vast majority of perpetrators are male.


32 posted on 01/05/2013 3:48:00 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Some People Just Need Killing.


33 posted on 01/05/2013 4:01:02 PM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: patriotsblood

He shouldn’t die by someone’s hand in prison. He should be taken to a swamp, shot in the head and dumped in the water.

Let the gators and critters do the rest.

Depending on where the ammo is purchased, that’s about a .20 solution.


34 posted on 01/05/2013 4:02:03 PM PST by qaz123
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To: GeronL

It is more like 80%. Not only that -—but just emotional abuse can also destroy the normal sexual development of children.

All the priests who were molesting boys, stated they were molested when they were boys. The homosexual element in the Catholic Church was completely covered up—to protect the abnormal, dehumanizing, godless behavior and cover-up the infiltration of the church by Leftists (modernists). APA promotes sodomy as “normal” since the 70’s and schools are normalizing homosexual behavior by forcing young children into taking “Pride” in the dehumanizing, unnatural, evil behavior—to kill the Judeo-Christian God in minds of children.

Chastity Bono was molested by a Lesbian when she was about 11—and later when she told her mother, she replied it was “good” for her. This violation of one’s body in such a warped way by trusted adults will absolutely warp and pervert how you think about “sex” and yourself and others.

The founder of America’s Homosexual movement, Harry Hay, was a Communist and was sodomized when he was a boy (and he loved it). You can make any boy “enjoy” perversion if you can get control of their development. They are teaching children to masturbate in schools, and there is no good and evil, now (only evil and bigoted to be(of evil) )—to flip Christian Ethics and insert Satanic, Freemason immorality.

Everyone should have to read “Leftism” by Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn: He explains everything about all the intrinsic evil of leftist ideology including sodomy. Here is what he states about homosexuality (which is a learned behavior, worldview)—like in Afghanistan—Samurai. There is no such thing as a homosexual gene.

“Whoever praises and extols a collective unit in which he participates (a nation, a race, a class, a party) only take a stand for sameness and oppose otherness, but also are self-seeking. There is an identitarian (and nonsexual) aspect to homosexuality (”homoeroticism”) coupled with the refusal to establish the sometimes difficult intellectual, spiritual, psychological bridge to the other sex. And to this respect homosexuality is a form of narcissism, of immaturity and implies the limitations of the “simpleton”.


35 posted on 01/05/2013 4:12:50 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: driftdiver

The perversion is a taught behavior.

Could be but then who taught the first one?


36 posted on 01/05/2013 4:16:38 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
We can help keep children safe, Goode argues, “by allowing paedophiles to be ordinary members of society, with moral standards like everyone else”, and by “respecting and valuing those paedophiles who choose self-restraint”. Only then will men tempted to abuse children “be able to be honest about their feelings, and perhaps find people around them who could support them and challenge their behaviour before children get harmed”.

Can't really argue with this, IMO.

It is perfectly obvious, at least to me, that someone is not inherently evil because of his desires or inclinations. We are seldom fully, if at all, in control of those.

He becomes evil because of his actions. Thus a man can be sexually attracted to children, but if he doesn't act on those desires he should not be considered evil. In fact, I think his self-restraint, in a society that denigrates such, should be considered admirable.

However, we won't get into what I consider appropriate treatment for those who molest kids. It would get me banned.

37 posted on 01/05/2013 4:18:30 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Joan Kerrey

By taught I mean its not genetic.


38 posted on 01/05/2013 4:19:47 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

This is what I remembered like 20 years ago in Indiana. Some people in the state legislature wanted to pass a hate crimes law which included sexual orientation. At the time, one of my arguments against it was the slippery slope of it only applying to homosexuality today (1993) but how long before man/boy sex was going to be recognized as a sexual orientation. It would be at the point where I find a man sexually abusing a child and I beat the crap out of him and I get charged with a hate crime. Sounded far fetched then but not so much today.


39 posted on 01/05/2013 4:32:51 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: SaraJohnson

Meanwhile our schools are giving them condoms and routes to abortion clinics at 11 years old and telling them its perfectly normal to sleep around at that age.

Parents haven’t revolted yet


40 posted on 01/05/2013 4:44:51 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Well, if you’re a dirty old man you can get a young girl pregnant - pay for an abortion - and voila! Free as a bird - to go on to the next little girl. Welcome to the new normal in America.


41 posted on 01/05/2013 4:46:28 PM PST by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: allmendream

The stats probably refer to the same sex molestation, I guess.

It still messes them up of course even if its not. It’s still wrong


42 posted on 01/05/2013 4:46:28 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: savagesusie

bump


43 posted on 01/05/2013 4:46:47 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Wait until parents realize this means they have to permit a pervert to claim sexual “rights” to their children. They may not understand until it’s too late but then your instinctive protection of your child kicks in, and at that point, law does not matter much. There will be a lot of dead pedos and liberal abettors.


44 posted on 01/05/2013 5:19:45 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I seem to remember one of Obama’s cabinet being a supporter of NAMBLA. Wasn’t it the Secretary of Education?


45 posted on 01/05/2013 5:27:09 PM PST by spaced
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To: patriotsblood
The pervert pled out and went to jail. He eventually reoffended and will again plead out this Monday. Please pray that the judge throws the book at him for this second offense and for violating his probation.

Why in the world was he already out of jail, after abusing 123 kids?

46 posted on 01/05/2013 5:29:15 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: GeronL

See DR JUDITH REISMAN’s books. She warned of this YEARS AGO.


47 posted on 01/05/2013 5:29:40 PM PST by codder too
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To: allmendream
The majority of child molestation involves a male perpetrator and a female victim.

100% of child molestation involving a male perpetrator and a male victim is homosexual.

48 posted on 01/05/2013 5:33:08 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: fattigermaster
A great deal of male homo paedo rape goes unreported due to the stigma upon male victims. Look at the many priest paedophile scandals that never emerged until the victims were adults.

In many cases, it was the parents of the victims who didn't want to put their sons through the scrutiny of a trial against the abuser, who never pursued justice for them.

49 posted on 01/05/2013 5:37:42 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: savagesusie
And to this respect homosexuality is a form of narcissism, of immaturity and implies the limitations of the “simpleton”.

I've always considered homosexuality to be the ultimate in narcissism. They can only 'love' someone who is just like themselves.

50 posted on 01/05/2013 5:48:44 PM PST by SuziQ
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