Posted on 11/19/2012 11:24:08 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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“NOBODY with any legal authority, no elected official, no judge, no immigration attorney, disagrees with me on this.”
There has never been a Supreme Court decision that agrees or disagrees, one way or the other, not yet.
And you can bet your behind that if Rubio ever is nominated, the ‘rat party is going to make plenty of hay about this.
The “citizenship issue” will damage Rubio more than the “Mormon issue” damaged Romney. And I definitely believe that a good number of voters refrained from voting for Romney for exactly that reason.
Orly will have Obama off the ballot any day now. Then she'll go after Rubio.
The United States does not recognize “dual citizenship” — and never has.
Your question is a moot point.
I read some where back, when his first great, great, etc. granddaddy moved to Mexico with his 7 concubines, they gave up their U.S. citizenships for Mexican citizenships.
This means Romney’s father was a Mexican citizen. The question remains when and if Romney’s father became a U.S. citizen...if he ever did.
the united states does recognize dual citizenship, pull your head out of your rear
...The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause....
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html
The Supreme Court does not need to decide, as it is obvious that all the founders intended was to block any naturalized citizen from becoming President.
Really”? Why didnt they say that then?
they did, for those who understand English
I’m not sure if trying to educate you is as hard as trying to educate a liberal or a rock...First either must read write and speak English....you are stuck on the King’s English, we fought a war or two over that
I’m sure that the DNC lawyers will become Birthers shortly after Rubio makes his intentions clear. The media will jump on board quickly with investigative journalism like we haven’t seen since the Palin takedown.
When that happens, all of your points will be proven wrong.
Nobody with any legal authority agrees with you. You can not point to one single expert on your side of this issue.
It appears that you radical birthers are the people in need of “education” as you have flunked every test so far.
Nonsense? Get real. The rules don’t apply to the Democrats. They do what they want. They control the language.
The Democrats will take advantage of any of Rubio’s weaknesses and their Latino constituency won’t give a hoot. It’s all about the giveaways...
No more RINOs. That includes Marco the non sovereignty loving, non constitutional, republican.
However, he does talk a better game than his mentor Mitt.
Rubio is not a Natural Born Citizen.
Also, Jeb Bush curled up in the fetal position when a Florida woman was being murdered in broad daylight. I know Bush will say he “tried” to “save” her. Right—he asked those who were murdering her to stop—and they said “No.” What more could any governor POSSIBLY do to save a human life???
Nobody said he wasn’t a citizen.
But he is not a Natural Born Citizen: I.e., his parents were not citizens when he was born.
I think he might. If he is friends with Bush; he could make Bush’s son in as VP. No thanks.
I have given you lists twice before. The last list I gave you was about 12 weeks ago.
Now, you can just go sit on it, Potsie Weber.
Thus the problem with the U.S.
“That is all “Natural Born Citizenship” requires, that you are a citizen at birth.”
Gets back to my comment about those old goofy Founding Fathers, using three words “natural born citizen”, when in your view one would suffice “citizen”.
Are you sure there isn’t a difference?
Yep, I would have to agree on that.
Sadly, by choosing not defining the NBC clause, the SCOTUS thus defines it as it is today.
If it is good for Obama, then it is good for Rubio as well as Jindall, however, personally I don’t support any of those guys or Obama.
There is no point in attempting to hold a person to a standard that simply doesn’t exist though. That flaw in our law is exploited at this point IMO.
And you think it's a good idea to have the same government that spends every dollar of the Social Security surplus while still calling it a trust fund asset ... have the ability to declare the border secure when it will be nothing close to secure.
That is the problem now, as it was in 1987. Amnesty is granted but the border security and immigration enforcement never materialize.
According to whom? Doesn't the jurisidiction thereof in Amendment 14, Section 1 mean anything?
I don't know the status of his parents at his birth. Were they on visas? If so, Marc was under the jurisdiction thereof and is a NBC.
You’re wasting your time talking to the holier-than-thou crowd here. No one but they are pure enough.
The Founders did not want Naturalized Citizens to become President.
Natural Born Citizen is the opposite of Naturalized Citizen, in the subset of “US CITIZENS”
We have but two classes of Citizenship:
1.) Natural Born
2.) Naturalized
Your post is spot on. I don’t know who they want to run, but probably some boring, stutterer who wouldn’t excite a log. No one is perfect, but even if Jesus ran - they would call him a RINO. After all,he forgave sinners.
only a supreme court justice in minor v hapersett
but shhhh... let’s not talk about that
how about the founders? why did they PURPOSELY put the wording ‘natural born’ instead of ‘citizen’ unless to convey their stated intention... to avoid, at least by birth, any foreign allegiances?
i’d guess you were born in the US of 2 citizen parents and are ignorant of the difference
myself, i was born in the US.. of a American father but a British mother who later became a citizen. I am a US citizen, but i can also claim British citizenship... which is why, like rubio and 0bama, i am not a natural born citizen
let me boil it down for you:
a natural born citizen is someone who is a citizen naturally... AS THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVES
Fortunately for Marco Rubio, nobody's buying this birther bullcrap.
Like Woodrow Wilson?
The Founders only intended that no NATURALIZED Citizen could become President.
Arnold Schwarzenegger for instance, can not be POTUS, as he is a Naturalized Citizen.
As for your definition of Natural Born Citizen? It is bogus hogwash which has no support in the legal or political or academic world.
You are pushing crack pot theories from idiots who do not understand the law or legal history.
The Founders only intended that no NATURALIZED Citizen could become President.
Arnold Schwarzenegger for instance, can not be POTUS, as he is a Naturalized Citizen.
As for your definition of Natural Born Citizen? It is bogus hogwash which has no support in the legal or political or academic world.
You are pushing crack pot theories from idiots who do not understand the law or legal history.
Forget about Cruz, he was born in Canada.
the ‘crackpot’ is you
the other intention was to insure the king of france could not become president of the US. if being born in the country is the only requirement, and assuming french royalty still existed, then a child born in NY of 2 french citizens could become president. obviously not as intended.
but hey, you keep pushing your little belief. repeat it enough and maybe you can convince some people the obvious is not what they think. you’ll find better traction for your repeated memes in the DU forums
You are delusional.
You have not one single living expert authority on the subject who can back you up, yet you presume superior knowledge?
How would you know since none of them dare touch the issue?
They don’t touch it because they don’t want to look like idiots.
Those who think as you do are laughing stock, not to be taken seriously.
You are a stain on the conservative cause, you are pushing bogus legal theory without any real understanding of the law.
“Are you being deliberately obtuse?”
I don’t know about deliberately, but I do know how to be obtuse.
“The Founders did not want Naturalized Citizens to become President.”
Why wouldn’t they want naturalized citizens to be president? Doesn’t seem fair since naturalized citizens have the same rights as those born here.
And, if there are only two types of citizens, Natural Born and Naturalized, what is a “citizen at birth”?
It sounds like you’re saying that someone born in the US to foreigners who are just visiting or here illegally is a natural born citizen, the same as someone born in the US to two US Citizens?
If that’s the case, seems like they could have used “citizen” and “naturalized citizen”. Why confuse us with the “natural born”?
I just don’t get all the different names people nowadays and the courts and those foolish old Founding Fathers used, I guess.
Somebody did.
What about when his mother sent the little Indonesian Citizen Barry on a flight alone to grandma in Hawaii. When did he become a US Citizen again?
The Founders spelled out the qualifications for President, in positive language rather than negative language.
Any President is required to be a Natural Born Citizen, which means that Naturalized Citizens do not qualify to be POTUS.
And in answer to your question, I think “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” can handle man of these other issues. For instance, I think the illegal alien “anchor baby” issue can be resolved by Congressional notice of the fact that no United States divorce court would have jurisdiction over custody of a couple's children, if the husband and wife were not citizens of the United States. Therefore, the child even if born here would not be fully “under the jurisdiction thereof” -— a few conservative members of Congress happen to agree with me on that point as well.
It does you no good to argue with the birthers. I’ve repeatedly asked them to identify any official document of any kind that differentiates beween a citizen by birth and a “Natural Born Citizen”. Of course they can’s point to anything.
In fact you have no legal authority that agrees with you, since they refuse to discuss it.
Get over it, just because they refuse to enforce the law doesn’t make you correct.
They easily changed illegal to un-documented, see how easy that was. It is very easy to change Natural Born Citizen to men , oh say, citizen of the world.
Phulleeeze! Not another old Republican retread! With that stark white head of hair he looks 129 years old! Just what the media needs to be able to laugh him all the way back to the 19th century, where he looks like he came from.
you’re right... the founders are dead. just disregard everything they said and why they said it. forget those long dead ideals... best to go with what feels right
seriously, go back to DU if you want to play fast and loose with the Constitution
He has common sense which seems to completely escape you.
We just went through four years of Romney Pimping, now we have to suffer through four more years of RINO pimping?
Just for laughs, is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? If so what is your proof? Might you think he is NBC because no one has ever challenged his credentials. Judges who declare that not one human in the US has standing do not count.
Give us a break.
Unlike you, who seems to relish in the prospect, of looking like an idiot.
You have a very active imagination if you think that is what I said.
"That is the problem now, as it was in 1987. Amnesty is granted but the border security and immigration enforcement never materialize."
Correct. And that is why the border must BE CLOSED (not "declared closed"). One approach to that assurance is that such a determination will be made by the governors of the four states along that border....not the feds. I'm sure there are other acceptable mechanisms to reach the same endpoint.
“For instance, I think the illegal alien “anchor baby” issue can be resolved by Congressional notice of the fact that no United States divorce court would have jurisdiction over custody of a couple’s children, if the husband and wife were not citizens of the United States. Therefore, the child even if born here would not be fully “under the jurisdiction thereof” “
I agree with you on that point. Where would that leave the child of a couple just visiting the US? Would their child be a natural born citizen, then?
Just happened upon CNN surfing the dial, that rotten girl Solodat Obrien was all excited about the question about the earths age.
I do not think a honest Christian can ever win the White House again,
I really think not.
A honest Christian will be asked to say that his/her Christian faith will not influence his views on abortion, gay marriage and the age of the earth etc
Our only hope is Christ
I refuse to vote for anyone who refuses simple scientific facts in order to pander to a particular religious base. We all have our rules here on FR, those are mine.
His answer on the earth’s age was pathetic, embarrassing and childish. “I’m not a scientist, man?” Well, Marco, my 6 year old knows the earth is roughly 4.5 billion years old and can refer you to hundreds of years of science explainin that through facts and evidence.
Ridiculous.
You radical bithers are the folks who can not seem to get a single judge, a single member of Congress, a single Governor, a single election official, a single Constitutional scholar or single immigration attorney or a single historian on your side.
You are wrong. Nobody agrees with you. You have lost the argument, and your argument was very stupid and ignorant to begin with.
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