Skip to comments.Did “Ron Paul's Revolution” Stay Home Last Night? (where are 3 million missing McCain voters?)
Posted on 11/07/2012 4:56:42 PM PST by drewh
havent seen anyone ask this yet, so I will: did the Ron Paul Revolution stay home last night?
Mitt Romney won 3 million votes less than McCain while Obama lost 10 million votes of his own from 2008.
Where did those 3 million McCain voters go?
The main part of why I believed Romney would win this time because I knew the 10 million Obama supporters would sit home but never in my worst nightmares did I imagine McCain voters would sit home. I counted on them to show up and bring friends this time to boot Obama out.
The only thing I can think of is this:
* Ron Paul supporters sat the election out because Dr. Paul because the conflict regarding the convention and the other delegate issues
* Evangelicals went through with their threat to sit home because Romney is a member of the LDS Church
And these two groups thought allowing Obama to have a second term was worth sitting home.
Is that what happened?
I never thought that was a realistic possibility because I cant imagine ever allowing the Left to not just maintain power but actually expand their reach but thats what happened last night.
Have you seen anyone crunching numbers to explain this today?
The Mainsream Media Ministry of Truth will say oh, it was all about Hispanics! but that is a red herring. That doesnt explain dropping three million votes below McCain and a total of five million votes from Bush in 2004.
Ron Paul supporters seem to explain that first drop from Bushs 2004 numbers, sitting out to the tune of 2 million when McCain ran in 2008 and then sitting out even more this time; perhaps its a combination of Ron Paul people and Evangelicals who sat home to teach everyone a lesson.
Thats an expensive lesson if this is right.
Thank you for getting this right. Sorry for the confusion.
Several leading politicians probably destroyed their own political careers.
The state of things—my daughter said in her high school (which is about 50 percent Mormon) the only issues her peers talked about were abortion, gay marriage and how Romney hates women. I wonder do these parents even converse with their kids, do they know that they “think” these are issues?
It's that simple ~ the missing voters equal the number of party registrants who die or become disabled over given periods of time.
Further, he went out of his way to piss off the Paul supporters and the Tea Party Palin supporters.
So what do you expect?
Romney refused to allow the two most significant political leaders in the party, Ms. Palin and Congressman Paul to speak at the Convention where they would have done a much more effective job of attacking Zero's performance than either Romney or Ryan was able to do in the campaign. Would of cost him nothing.
Instead, he went out of his way to insult them. No real surprise they stayed home.
Second, many Reps have died over the past few years and the ranks are not being filled behind them. The number of non-Hispanic whites is declining each year as a percentage of the poplation. By 2019--just seven years from now--half of the 18 years old and younger will be minorities as defined by the USG. Each year a new wave a Democrats enters as voters.
Sounds like someone wants to keep the heat off the RINOs so the GOP elites can run another liberal in 2016. Romney won the primary “because he can win” and then he lost.
The conservative majority needs to agree on a nominee BEFORE the primary season so we can unite behind a candidate and win against the establishment liberal.
We lost because of demographics—simple as that. We have reached a tipping point as the Dems are on their way to becoming the permanent majority party. CA is the canary in the coal mine. The US will look like CA in 2050 demographically.
I don’t our our candidate sucked. I think he failed to motivate the more emotional voters. Mitt’s arguments were generally reasoned ones and presented in a clear way. What was lacking was an emotional component to the arguments. Regan was good at it. If we got better at it, that vision thing, we could motivate some of our adversaries to join us.
For national office like president, west wouldn’t get close if party bosses have their way... too conservative...
FL GOP not a fan of west either. guessing too much tea party in this uppity....
BS. The GOP gave it a good shot—the best it could do. We were just overwhelmed by the demographics. 30% of Fairfax County, the largest in the state, is foreign born. Immigrants comprise about 11% of the population in VA. Blacks are 20%. Add to that the number of government workers and the migration of liberals into the state attracted by the honeypot called the federal government and you have a state that is purple now and will trend solid blue in a decade.
Just out of curiosity, and I’m not being factitous, who would have been your “perfect” conservative candidate?
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db88.pdf explains all of it. in 4 years you will have a noticeable number of registered Republicans die. In 8 years you will really be aware of it. They mus be replaced! The numbers of missing voters demonstrate nothing more than a failure of the party managers to replenish the supply of voters!
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db88.pdf explains all of it. in 4 years you will have a noticeable number of registered Republicans die. In 8 years you will really be aware of it. They must be replaced! The numbers of missing voters demonstrate nothing more than a failure of the party managers to replenish the supply of voters!
The way it works is you build up a large group of supporters in your party and get them to show up to vote for you.
Appeals to non existent undecided moderates in the middle will lose the election every time it's tried.
Perhaps we sat the election out because we found no fundamental difference between the candidates. Both support NDAA. Both support the Patriot Act. Neither supports a fully transparent audit of the Federal Reserve System. ...and on and on.
I think what it comes down to, at least for me, is that both parties bring forth no representatives (assuming they have any) who understand the Locke inspired Jeffersonian philosophy of Natural Law that informed our Constitution and served as the foundation on which this nation was built, defining the proper role of government. There are no representatives who can articulately convey independent, cogent thought. We are sick to death of empty rhetoric and platitudes. (Deliberately) Divisive hyperbole. And being told repeatedly by a bought and paid for media that this insipid fare is what matters to us, as if should they repeat it enough we’ll become so inured that we stop thinking for ourselves and sit up and clap on cue like trained seals.
At the end of the day we are left with representatives across both sides of the fence that are ineffective, inefficient, either too dim to recognize the paradigm they are caught fast in, or in collusion with it. Both sides have betrayed the Constitution, and in so doing, us, our history, and the future.
We are starving for something more than the sales slogans that are spoon fed to us. We long for someone who understands the Federal Reserve printing money DOES devalue our currency. That we DO see the effects of that in inflation. That policing the world IS unsustainable. That borrowing money from China to GIVE to Libya (or any other country) defies any definition of sanity. That even should we tax the rich at 100%, it will NOT get us out of this hole. That this hole we are in WAS NOT created by Obama, Bush, Clinton, or Reagan. It is the product of DECADES of malfeasance.
Wow, that was way too much of a rant. I’m sorry. I guess what it boils down to is that I am sick to death of being played for a fool by representatives who possess neither integrity nor intellect. I cannot listen to another moment of a media so poorly disguised as objective and thoughtful. I can no longer play into the hands of what I can only define as evil.
Romney won the 40-65 vote 51% to 47% and the over 65 56-44. Together they comprised 54% of the total vote. This is according to the exit polls.
IMO what was lacking was the failure to attract younger voters, the ones that watch the Dailey show, MTV, etc. where Obama has made a home. And the demographics are changing. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under will be minorities as defined by the USG. As the over 65s die out they are replaced by a cohort of Dem voters. Demography is destiny.
BTW, there's only 2,999,997
McCain't PALIN voters left to look for......
My father, my mother, and I (NC, PA, VA - respectively) stayed home. The three of us are Evangelical Christians.
It wasn't to "show anyone a lesson," it was because some values and principles are non-negotiable. In this election ABO = SDT (Same D#mn Thing) on many key issues.
For my mother and I, it was the first election we've missed since either attained voting age.
I have other family I've yet to talk to that I'm sure probably made the same decision.
Government employees are only 1 out of 7, and a great number of them are hard core Conservatives.
Do people imagine government employees absorb leftwingtard stupidity through government jobs? Actually, when you are in the belly of the beast you see the waste, nonsense, stupidity and sheer thievery propagated by the Democrats. What makes you think people who work there are necessarily dishonest?
We would like to deport the crowd from Jersey ~ they don't give up the old ways.
Now, about the demographics, if you don't get people registered who are reasonably aligned with Republican thinking, they are not going to vote Republican! The dead and injured must be replaced!
Heard today: republicans don’t get changing demographics....
No...the demographics don’t get the United States, Liberty, Freedom, Self-determination, The Constitution or the Bill of Rights and all the blessings they entail.
The same thing is true with college students all over the country. Leftists managed to move the discussion from real issues, where their candidate had no defense to his poor performance, to invented psuedo-issues they could use to scare voters into their camp. I saw numerous ads being run by “progressive” groups accusing Republican candidates of wanting to “ban contraception” because a candidate voted or supported legislation to exempt religious employers from having to offer certain kinds of birth control to their employees. Needless to say no media outlet stepped forward to comment on the misleading advertisements, or correct the impression they created. The students fell for it.
Our school systems are producing Dem voters as well. They serve as indoctrination centers--both K-12 and higher education.
"If you want this conservative to vote with you, stop trying to entice me with non-conservatives. Stop trying to feed bacon to your horse. One of the numbing numbers to come out of this fiasco is the fact that if Romney had simply gotten the same number of votes that McCain did, Romney would have won. This deflation happened without a robust third party candidate siphoning off a large number of votes. The results of this election should not cause us to think we need to "move to the center." Two establishment Republican candidates in a row have gone down, and this second time the centrist lost to a failed presidency. I mean, think about it."
I am coming to despise them. I realize there are a few thinkers amongst Libertarians, but the majority are brats and act accordingly. That they delight in Romney going down will be short lived. They’ll be thrown into the same gutter as the rest of us when this nation collapses.
They can be brought into the fold ~ and registration drives work. Obama proved that in 2008. He also proved in 2012 that you have to keep after the new voters as well. The Dems didn't do that.
I have it on good authority that within that bloc of 90 million untamed potential Republican voters, some of them are white people. I don't particularly care. Frankly, we need to bust the backs of the Democrats preying on the East Asians in this country ~ they're just criminals. Several million new Republicans are available if we bother to tag them.
Over the next four years Hillary will get the necessary plastic surgery, lose a little weight and win easily in 2016. The demographics will favor her even more than Obama. It matters not what Obama does in his second term. Anyone with a "D" after their name will win.
pretty well covers the candidate problem ~ but we also need to replenish the stock of voters available to vote Republican! The GOP-e thinks that job should be done by someone else someday, but not them. They simply want to control the candidate selection process.
hoisted on the petard of religious bigotry? I know a lot of libs that would be find that delicious
That pretty much sums it up, with help from one or two counties in Virginia. The DEM voter registration and GOTV efforts here in Miami were shocking in their scope. You could tell that all of the enthusiasm here was with the dems just from being in line at the polls. And the dems scoured the vast suburbs of southwest Miami and found thousands of non-Cuban latinos to register. Not only is that why Obama got 63% of the vote in Miami-Dade but that’s also what ultimately knocked off David Rivera.
The Law of Effect shows us that we generally receive more of the behavior that is rewarded and we generally receive less of the behavior that is punished. How do we reward people for voting Republican? The Democrats reward their people with food stamps and social security disability and $50,000 checks for black pig farmers who don’t know the front from the back of a hog. How do we punish those who don’t vote Republican? The number of people going to work for the government has increased under Obama. The Democrats punish those who don’t vote Democrat with IRS audits and a refusal to hire them. They are belittled in the media. The Democrats understand and effectively utilize The Law of Effect. The Republican leadership looks at numbers while the Democrats outmaneuver them.
The top three employers in Fairfax County (2010) are the FC public schools (22,850), the USG (17,370), and the county government (11,184). There are 31,000 students enrolled in ESOL--an increase of a third from the year before. We had the ballot in Spainish and English in Fairfax County--the first time in history. Kerry won Fairfax County in 2004, the first time in over 40 years.
Now, about the demographics, if you don't get people registered who are reasonably aligned with Republican thinking, they are not going to vote Republican! The dead and injured must be replaced!
Easier said than done. Most people inherit their political party in much the same way they do with religion. Blacks still vote over 90% for the Dems regardless of the candidate's race. They have 14% unemployment and lousy schools, but they eschew their personal interests to remain members of the tribe.
it was a totally low turnout election
Obama’s only advantage was that in the big blue states he needed, a lot larger number of Dim voters than GOPers could stay home (300K+ in Ohio) and still eck out a 50.1% win (Ohio again).
many 2008 Obama supporters were not AS inspired this time
but Mitt did not inspire a larger number of Independents or inspire that many Dims to shift, and often the stay-at-home dims only reduced O’s majority, not eliminating it
If you didn’t vote for Romney because he’s a Mormon, then you will receive the reward you so richly deserve. I didn’t realize that Jesus was running this year. This was a worldly election. We weren’t voting for the leader of our church. Take out any of your money. Do you see Jesus’ profile on it? “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.” I guess a lot of Christians were home watching football the Sunday that lesson was taught. And yes, I am an Evangelical Christian and I have tasted the bitterness of Mormon discrimination. But that tastes sweet compared to the vomit Obama has given us. To all you who stayed home and didn’t vote for Romney because he’s Mormon, well, “Bottoms up!” Enjoy the lesson Obama is about to give you because “Elections have consequences.”
I think we lost FL and VA too
There is also the aging demographic. Republicans appeal to older folk, while Democrats are rapidly locking up the entire youth vote. So many people I saw come yesterday to vote for Romney will not be alive in ‘16. And, it may not be 3M, but I would venture that a fair number of McCain voters are no longer with us.
I can tell you what is being said - many states didn’t even count any of the write ins or Johnson votes because of state differences in rules - I can tell you where one was - Gary Johnson was not on the ballot in Oklahoma nor did they allow write ins.
It is not so much that the children are going to be mostly minorities; it is that their teachers and the media that influences them are going to continue to be almost entirely from the left. This is largely because of that old saying, “Those who can do and those who can't teach.” There should be a similar saying for entertainers. Those who can't tend to have left wing leanings because they want those who can to support them.
We are witnessing the decline of our nation. It is surprising to me that our fall is coming so quickly after reaching our pinnacle. As a young person I thought that progress and technology would cause the living standards of future generations to continually get better. But our system is breaking down. We have real troubles coming. At least the value of the investment that I have made in guns, ammo, reloading equipment and supplies is increasing greatly.
Remember it wasn’t 3m that tipped the balance, it was far less in key swing states so those evangelicals that stayed home, like some freepers, because of the LDS connection could have tipped the balance more than we would like to admit.
mr. johnson, mr. paul and the libertines were probably pleased that Colorado legalized dope.
The vast majority of the 40 million immigrants in this country are classified as minorities. 87% of the 1.2 million legal immigrants we take in are classified as minorities. Agree that the education system perpetuates and inculcates liberalism, but minorities are much more fertile ground for such approaches.
One of these is a LIE. Palin was offered a prime time spoke and declined saying she had other plans in AK.
And yet I see Freepers advocating the same foolish pathways taken by the CA GOP into irrelevancy.
West’s combative attitude and mouth got him fired more than any thing. Another self-inflicted wound like Akin, Mourdock and Allen in VA.
Consider the Senate races.
How coincidental that with the exception of Ensign in Nevada (not really a battleground state) all (R) senators in Battlegrounds (VA, FL, OH, WI) went down even as they did in states carried handily by Romney (IN, MO, ND, MT)? In fact we almost knew the Senate seat loss before we knew the Presidential outcome.
What about those touch screen shennanigans reported as switches from Romney to Obama?
Each of the battlegrounds VA, FL, OH, WI) are solid (R) -- both chambers and the Gov. Most went that way in 2010. (R)'s won down ticket House races.
What I want to know from tech savvy types is this: how does someone hack a voting machine, how does one detect it?
Can some well placed kid hanging around on a cell phone communicating to an embedded chip in the machine watch voters and time his "click" with that of the voter -- regardless how he intended to vote? Is this possible?
In these highly (R) states, will an investigation be launched by their SOSs and Atty Generals to determine what happened?
Yep, Lungren, Mack, and Bilbray went down to defeat this year. Soon the Dems will take all the Congressional seats in CA. Every Rep race is competitive while many of the Dems run unopposed. CA is fast becoming a one party state dominated by the Dems.