Posted on 11/07/2012 8:40:52 AM PST by TigerClaws
This was within reach. Obama had ten million fewer votes than 2008. Despite huge rallies and intensity, Rs didn't show up.
Was it... 1. Insufficient ground game? Hundreds of millions on tv instead of laser beam ground game on our base?
2. Too moderate. Romney didn't motivate the conservatives.
3. The Mormon thing. Evangelicals stayed home.
4. The gender gap. Romney didn't close it.
Despite the MSM spin, this was a winnable election and we lost the chess match.
Thoughts?
YEP....a FRAUD was committed...a sophisticated fraud
Thanks. See also my Post #52.
There needs to be a major investigation into fraud. No way in hell 15 million less republicans showed up yesterday to vote. No way in hell McCain got 15 million more votes than Romney. How can all the polls be wrong that said republican enthusiasm was way up and democrats way down. Then these numbers come out. And how in the world can the loser get the majority of independent votes and get the majority of voters who say he was better for the economy, which was the defining issue.
To paraphrase Dr. Henry Lee “sumting wrong heah”!!
Quote: “The old conservative coalitions are dying off, be they the Silent Majority, Chrisitian Coalition, or Reagan Democrats. These folks had first hand experience with the Great Depression and the Second World War. These hardships instilled self reliance and love of country, traits that are disappearing in today’s world. As such, this election may have been angry white man’s last stand. America’s culture has simply changed.”
Yep and here is the sad part. In order for it to change back it is going to be akin to the alchoholic reaching rock bottom. We will have to go through another depression and disaster before the people of this country get that the sweet piper of liberalism is only leading onto the rocks.
Time for a third party!
Drop the FRAUD stuff. The GOP turned out there just is not enough of us to pull out the NEWER demographics of the country. The LATINO voter is on the rise as the exits show and that alone swings states like Colorado and Nevada and New Mexico and is taking hold in other swing states as well.... soon to be Texas. If you/we do not get our heads around that fact say good bye to everything GOP..
That’s the job of the GOP governors and GOP majority state legislators; keep creating the conditions in THEIR states that produce better economies in their states, and some of the migration you are looking for will occur.
Part of how California became so blue to begin with is so many Conservatives and economic producers moved to other states.
“The GOP wanted nothing to do with the Tea Party or Sarah Palin..”
that’s where the party elite wss stupid, they were the GOP “ground game” and enlisted directly as such they would have “worked it”
NOPE...will NOT drop the FRAUD stuff. Counting BALLOTS is different than counting VOTERS....
In OREGON True the Vote found 2000 “registered voters” to a Homeless center, which does not get mail....the voter rolls here are rife with these kind of “voters” who get ballots....
Well, the mormon paper of record disagrees with you on this...
Of course, the article just has to continue the "persecution" claim.."Among cognoscenti who would never tolerate the brutal official persecution of the LDS Church that happened in the 19th century"...NOW, for the next 50 years they can whine and claim this election as persecution and blame FR Evangelicals.
Posting before reviewing thread: 2,3, or your massive vote fraud supposition in answer to the title.
Not that anything matters. We’ve had 120% documented voter turnout in dim districts and nothing is investigated - even under W’s watch. Sigh.
In 2012 the Dems got 60 mil and the reps got 57 mil. (current totals shown on Drudgereport.com front page at this time)
The question really was about how much variation is there from election to election. The answer is there's major differences between presidential and congressional mid term elections ~ tens of millions of difference, and as great as 45 million in a recent decade.
this time obama had a 9 million vote fall off. he barely got as many votes this time as mccain got last time!
I find that remarkable.
It's possible vote fraud could account for some of that, but how do you account for the Democrat losing 9 million votes?
I think it is state-by-state turnout that needs to be looked at, because the national turnout total is nothing by itself, it is the sum of the turn out in the states, and there may be some states that hold a major piece of that lower turnout all on their own (like storm ravaged New York and New Jersey - both so “blue” even very low turnout would still be an Obama win).
I agree. A more conservative candidate would not have worked either. Mitt is a social moderate and yet the media and the cool kids still made him out as someone at war with your lady parts. The scales are tipping. The workers and the takers are uneven and I am afraid businesses are going to start leaving quickly. Immigration reform will make things worse. No matter who the republicans put up will be mocked and belittled. And those with Obama phones will be eventually rise up and demand more when the money runs out. Until you see Greece type anarchy, I am afraid the republicans, on a national level, will continue to lose. Because the media says so.....
I think you replied to the wrong person.
I count the GOP-e losses from the 1936 election forward, and it’s MUCH MORE THAN HALF ~ their track record defies common sense.
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