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Syrian Rebels Threaten To Attack Russian Naval Base
DNA ^ | July 26, 2012

Posted on 07/26/2012 5:19:10 AM PDT by Fennie

Syrian rebels have threatened to attack Russia's naval base at the port of Tartous if Moscow continues to supply weapons to President Bashar al-Assad's regime.

"We have a warning for the Russian forces: if they will send any more weapons that kill our families and the Syrian people we will hit them hard inside Syria," said Louay al-Mokdad, a logistical coordinator for the Free Syrian Army (FSA).

"Informers inside the regime are telling that us that there is a big weapons shipment arriving at Tartous in the next two weeks. We don't want to attack the port, we are not terrorists, but if they keep acting like this we will have no choice."

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1 posted on 07/26/2012 5:19:17 AM PDT by Fennie
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To: Fennie

I don’t think that’s a good career move.


2 posted on 07/26/2012 5:26:15 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Fennie

The Rebels might not like a Russian solution to the rebel areas near the naval base.


3 posted on 07/26/2012 5:31:27 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Fennie

It has been posted that the WMD in Iraq were moved by the Russians into Syria,if not directly by the Russians, then under their guidance and control. It was also posted that the ownership was by the Russians because Saddam had not paid for them yet.

It seems a reasonable thought that the Russians never relinquished control and have in fact maintained that control in Syria.

Conclusion..... the WMD are now at the Russian naval base


4 posted on 07/26/2012 5:35:39 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: bert

Do you by any chance realize that you have, in effect, stated that George Bush was CORRECT in stating that there were WMD in the possession of Sadam Hussein?
That cannot be allowed to happen. After all, those who suffer from Bush Derangement Syndrome have based their entire belief system on “Bush Lied.”
Poor babies.


5 posted on 07/26/2012 5:47:15 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: bert

I have to agree with you...

another case of simple logic, applied simply..

but it was still bush’s fault :)


6 posted on 07/26/2012 5:50:32 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: Fennie

"They would choose...poorly."


7 posted on 07/26/2012 5:56:14 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: bert

It bruns me up that I can no longer find the article from several years back about activities prior to the actual invasion. I distinctly recall five heavy haul rigs being attacked by our forces from the air. During that attack on these rigs headed for Syria, we killed a couple rooskies who were escorting the cargo. It looked like it could have been a diplomatic blowout, but very quickly and quietly, the story disappeared. I agree with your conclusion; Russia was up to its eyeballs with weapon deliveries to Saddam, and before the war, removal from Saddam.


8 posted on 07/26/2012 5:59:28 AM PDT by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Fennie

Oh right that will go well do they have footage of Georgia


9 posted on 07/26/2012 6:09:14 AM PDT by Flavius (What hopes for victory, Gaius Crastinus? What grounds for encouragement ?)
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To: bert
It was also posted that the ownership was by the Russians because Saddam had not paid for them yet.

It had also been posted that Iraq had the means of manufacturing WMD, such as the ones used in the war against Iran and on his own people.

So, at what point do Russians gain ownership?

10 posted on 07/26/2012 6:15:59 AM PDT by varon
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To: Fennie

Good luck with all that.


11 posted on 07/26/2012 6:19:36 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Michael Barnes

Russian convoy fired on in Iraq

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/06/sprj.irq.russian.convoy.attacked/

That is an original article from CNN.

AFAIK Russian convoy was six Grand Cherokees. Three people were wounded.

Isn’t it too tricky to move a WMD program this way?


12 posted on 07/26/2012 6:40:24 AM PDT by cunning_fish (.)
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To: varon

-——So, at what point do Russians gain ownership? ——

We do not know that detail nor other details of Saddam’s actual capability.

In my mind there is a game called WMD. Like other games there is a ball. It is called WMD. Everyone* can play because possession of the ball is not really required. Even direct knowledge of the properties or actual existence of the ball is not required.

Points are scored by making press releases or speeches. The truly exciting part of the game is making some speculation, no matter how wild or illogical, and having it go global. Money is made and political capital is amassed and votes are garnered.

There are some who actually possess real knowledge. They control the ball even if the actual ball is not in their possession. They can always put more points on the board because if the game slows, they have the ability to start a new quarter and score over and over before the others can come back on the field.

In the world of today, we presume that we know all because all is constantly poured onto the media and the internet. The main players of WMD though have maintained secrecy about the real nature and condition and events of WMD because if actually known, the game would end.

Where’s the fun in ending the game?

*(Bert is playing today)


13 posted on 07/26/2012 6:44:24 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Fennie
O goody, goody, pass the popcorn! The Soviets, oops, I mean the Russians have been Syria's loyal defender for so long nobody can remember when they weren't. It would be just lovely to see Soviet, I mean Russian military vessel at the bottom of the Tartus harbor! The Russkies will make mincemeat out of the Mad Muslims! It will be a nice fight, Cruel Russians against heartless religious fanatics. Like I said, pass the popcorn. Maybe the Syrian WMD will be used on the Russkies and then they can nuke the Muslims...can I have butter on that popcorn?
14 posted on 07/26/2012 6:55:08 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Fennie

I’ll bet Zippo is swatting a lot of flies over this. He’s between Barack and a hard place. He wants the Brother(s)hood to win, but he loves kissing Russian ass.


15 posted on 07/26/2012 7:08:42 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Fennie

LOL! I agree with the rebels - now go attack Russians!


16 posted on 07/26/2012 7:58:16 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Fennie
We don't want to attack the port, we are not terrorists, but if they keep acting like this we will have no choice."

Yes, they are terrorists. The rebels and the Assad government both.

By this time, the rebels have been joined by all the terrorists in the world who can get there. Assad has been joined by Russia (although not really terrorists as of yet) and Iran.

17 posted on 07/26/2012 8:16:07 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Fennie

18 posted on 07/26/2012 8:17:30 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Michael Barnes
"It bruns me up that I can no longer find the article from several years back about activities prior to the actual invasion. I distinctly recall five heavy haul rigs being attacked by our forces from the air. During that attack on these rigs headed for Syria, we killed a couple rooskies who were escorting the cargo. It looked like it could have been a diplomatic blowout, but very quickly and quietly, the story disappeared. I agree with your conclusion; Russia was up to its eyeballs with weapon deliveries to Saddam, and before the war, removal from Saddam.

I remember (thought I was the only one), they were running in the middle of the night, blacked out, we apologized for the transgression.

What WMDs ???

19 posted on 07/26/2012 8:24:57 AM PDT by JMJJR ( Newspeak is the official language of Oceania)
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To: JMJJR

Thanks for the sanity check. ;)


20 posted on 07/26/2012 8:32:03 AM PDT by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Netz

“The Russkies will make mincemeat out of the Mad Muslims!”

The Russians have their own mad muslim problem and have struggled for decades to contain it. And while mincing may yet occur, a walk in the park is far from assured.


21 posted on 07/26/2012 9:48:59 AM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: Fennie

GO RUSSIA GO!

Now if they will only hit Iran too.


22 posted on 07/26/2012 9:56:39 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Fennie
"Informers inside the regime are telling that us that there is a big weapons shipment arriving at Tartous in the next two weeks. We don't want to attack the port, we are not terrorists, but if they keep acting like this we will have no choice."

That is probably what the Russians are provoking.

Take a look at a map. Tartous Naval base is "just up the street" from Isral. Only 140 miles.

If the Russians want to prevent a successful attack on Iran's nuke facilities at Natanz it can sit right there and monitor every aircraft and radio transmission from that base.

If a suspicious flight takes off in Israel and starts a potential route that could lead to Iran the Russians can immediately detect it.

A north route will take them right by the Tartous base.

A central or southern route could be tracked as well, long enough to determine the likely destination (Iran). The shorter southern route will probably be off the table, given the current "nature" of our present administration.

A launch of Israel Jericho III land-based long range ballistic missiles would be immediately detected as well.

An attack on Tartous would play right into the Russians hands. They rekindled their effort to upgrade the base in 2009, about the same time the Iran nuclear threat became valid. Such an attack would provide them the "defense" excuse in that theater to do anything they like.

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23 posted on 07/26/2012 10:11:20 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Fennie

yea attacking the Russian worked so well for the Chechans too.

These rebels are idiots just like in Libya, and we have our Govt dfending and helping them .


24 posted on 07/26/2012 10:13:06 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Michael Barnes

I also remember seeing some INTELSAT pics on a website of a supposed Russian Spetsnaz convoy, heavily-loaded and well-guarded, leaving Baghdad and headed toward the Bekaa Valley area. I didn’t save them and they were scrubbed. Dammit.


25 posted on 07/26/2012 10:38:39 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: varon

“So, at what point do Russians gain ownership? ‘

On November 7 when Obama is reelected.


26 posted on 07/26/2012 10:57:26 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: TLI

“——the Russians can immediately detect it “——I’m throwing the “maybe “ flag on that. They are either not that good or are trying real hard to appear neutral. they obviously didn’t pass any clues to Basher when the ‘Raelis took out the Syrian nuke project up the Euphrates.

Lavrov knows he can’t send any russian troops on the ground outside that naval base. The want that base intact too much to get aggressive with whoever is running Syria. Lavrov knows the base is a sitting russian duck and is being just as polite as he can be where it’s concerned.


27 posted on 07/26/2012 11:37:06 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: TLI

Israelis have subs don’t they?


28 posted on 07/26/2012 11:49:59 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: cherokee1
They are either not that good or are trying real hard to appear neutral. they obviously didn’t pass any clues to Basher when the ‘Raelis took out the Syrian nuke project up the Euphrates.

The 2007 attack during which Syrian AA radar networks seemed blinded.

The general situation in that area has changed significantly since 2007.

They have not forgotten what happened.

They are upgrading.

Earlier this month, the Kremlin made clear that it would fulfill its "contractual obligations" and continue to supply Syria with arms and military hardware, including anti-aircraft systems.

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_syrian-rebels-threaten-to-attack-russian-naval-base_1719887

see last paragraph.

Gotta have training for the operators. Gotta have observers for the training. Gotta have some protection for the trainers and observers. Gotta have "inspectors" for the military hardware. Gotta have "support staff" for all of the above. They can not do all that on the base.

I'm telling you, there is a big fat commie rat crawling all over this.

Given the butt-kisser-in-Chief in the White House will totally support the Russians "defending Russian citizens in the area" and his tenure as President is appearing to be ended, the Russians will push as much hardware in there as possible and finalize as many "contracts" as possible over the next six months.

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29 posted on 07/26/2012 12:57:44 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI

A hook in the jaw is coming, eventually.


30 posted on 07/26/2012 1:23:54 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Fennie
Russian Warships Will Not Enter Syria Port – Navy Chief

MOSCOW, July 26 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s navy chief said on Thursday that a flotilla of Russian warships off the coast of Syria would not dock at a port leased by Moscow in the violence-stricken Middle East country.

“The joint fleet flotilla will not enter the port of Tartus,” Vice Admiral Viktor Chirkov told journalists. “It is carrying out military drills in the Mediterranean.” The flotilla is comprised of 10 warships, plus escort vessels. Chirkov also said the flotilla was carrying marines.

RIA link - Russian Warships Will Not Enter Syria Port


31 posted on 07/26/2012 2:17:17 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: Michael Barnes

I remember right after the second Gulf war started there was a report about one of the suspected WMD sites being radioactive. Never saw a follow up to that one.


32 posted on 07/26/2012 2:29:24 PM PDT by TBall
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To: Fennie
The Baltic and Northern Fleet elements of the Russian Navy Task Force entered the Mediterranean a few days ago.

Baltic Fleet Tanker Lena is currently hove to off Morocco. Tanker Lena sends weather every six hours via Morse Code. Positional information from the international weather transmission.

8345 Kilohertz

RMP = Baltic Fleet HQ Kaliningrad

RKO81 = Tanker Lena

RMP DE RKO81 26181 99354 70043 22200

35.4N 04.3W Hove to

Map Link for Russian Navy vessel position

33 posted on 07/26/2012 2:35:05 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: TBall
Radioactive material in Iraq was removed by the US during 2004. Low grade radioactive material was still in holding areas that were being monitored by IAEA and UN inspectors up until Saddam threw the international inspectors out.

News report of transport flights

Iraq Survey Group link

34 posted on 07/26/2012 3:01:24 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: Fennie

There are two countries that you do not want to mess with, Russia is one of them and China is the other. Both these nations will think of nothing to attack, even if it means losing over a million troops in the process.


35 posted on 07/26/2012 3:42:07 PM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: Fennie
The Russians know how to deal with terrorist. Would not recommend intervention against them specifically. The video below is a little to artsy for me, but the point is made well.

Russian marine vs Somalia pirates

36 posted on 07/26/2012 4:37:39 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: cunning_fish
Isn’t it too tricky to move a WMD program this way?

By the time Iraq War #2 was just a few months away, Saddam's massive WMD program was in shambles. We bombed facilities during Gulf War 1 and the UN spent years destroying tons of WMD products after War #1. All that was left officially prior to Gulf War 2, was the WMD that Saddam had reported possessing that the UN had not documented being destroyed. And of course whatever Saddam had never reported possessing. For example - He never reported his secret nuclear program in Libya that Gaddafi gave up. So what was left, could have been taken out in a few truck convoys. The rest was just scattered remains that US troops discovered. They reported those discoveries and UNSCOM came in to clean them up. What UNSCOM found, was never used to determine if all had been destroyed prior to Gulf War 2. Thus, the left believed a lie hatched from the UN. No WMD found.

Now UN/NATO finds itself in a horrific position. They have promoted an invasion of Syria, knowing full well the vast quantities of WMD that Assad has under his control. What was horrific is that Assad could launch WMD at Turkish and Jordanian cities at will. He just announced he will do that if invaded. The UN/NATO policy would have and still can kill thousands of citizens horrifically.

37 posted on 07/26/2012 4:55:55 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Fennie

That’s a good idea. They should refuse to listen to the diplomats of the world (who work only for their favored, multi-partisan, globalist constituents) and do it.


38 posted on 07/26/2012 5:24:07 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: justa-hairyape
The UN/NATO's policy is to do nothing without Russian and Chinese permission. So that's what they're doing. Nothing.

In fact Russia is to blame for whatever Assad does because they supported him. Russia propped up his brutal genocidal regime and assisted him in massacring his own people. This was not a wise policy, but a stupid one and they have ensured that Assad will now be overthrown. When Assad falls it will be Russia's fault. Whatever happens to his WMD will be the fault and responsibility of the stupid and evil psychopathic foreign policy of the impotent incompetent corrupt Kremlin.

39 posted on 07/26/2012 5:36:05 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Agree that Assad is Russia's problem. Just as Saddam was our problem. The Russians are trying to control him. Sure would have been nice for DC to condemn their Rebels terrorist bombing attack.

Russia warns Syria against using chemical weapons

The Russian Foreign Ministry said Syria in 1968 had ratified a 1925 international protocol that bars the use of poison gases as a method of warfare.

"The Russian side proceeds from the assumption that Syrian authorities will continue to strictly adhere to the undertaken international obligations," it said in a statement.

40 posted on 07/26/2012 6:20:06 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
The Syrian defense minister killed by a bomb was the in charge of the Baathist/AlQaeda alliance against the USA in Iraq. He was also in charge of Syria's occupation of Lebanon and terrorist attacks against Israel.
Washington imposed sanctions on Shawkat in 2006 on suspicion that he orchestrated the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik al-Hariri and other officials seen as threats to Syrian influence. "Shawkat has been a key architect of Syria's domination of Lebanon, as well as a fundamental contributor to Syria's long-standing policy to foment terrorism against Israel," the U.S. Treasury said at the time. - Syria's shadowy enforcer

During a December 26, 2008 meeting with Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al Maliki, according to one leaked State Department cable, General Petraeus explained “that the Syrians are playing a dangerous double game” with respect to the Iraqi insurgency. The cable summarizes Petraeus’s comments further: “While professing commitment to security cooperation, [the Syrians] turn a blind eye to AQI terrorist facilitation activity and they aid and abet Iran’s interference in Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank, and elsewhere.” Petraeus pointed the finger of blame directly at Assad and Shawqat, who knew full well what al Qaeda was up to on Syrian soil.

In 2006, the Treasury Department designated Shawkat as a terrorist supporter, noting that he coordinated the activities of several terrorist groups: Hezbollah, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC), Hamas, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ). - Blowback in Syria


41 posted on 07/26/2012 6:53:20 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

The logic is simple, but based on Bert’s assumptions, the WMD’s were Russia’s, not Saddam’s so therefore Bush would have been wrong.


42 posted on 07/26/2012 7:17:05 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Tailgunner Joe
If you condone the terrorist bombing of a staff meeting amongst a foreign governments leadership, then you are opening up a pandoras box of counter bombings here within the US and Europe. Stupid is as stupid does.
43 posted on 07/26/2012 7:35:49 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
He played with fire and he got burned. He harbored al-Qaeda and now he got his reward. He's in Hell wondering where are his 72 virgins.
44 posted on 07/26/2012 8:03:14 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Fennie

That would be pretty funny.


45 posted on 07/26/2012 8:47:39 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: bert

I believe General Sa’ad has claimed that the weapons were moved into Syria with Russian assistance right before the war. It is also believed that the Israelis blew them up in a raid into Syria a couple of years later. And that radioactivity levels at the site are high.


46 posted on 07/26/2012 8:50:41 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Germans have the best intel in Syria and they have reported that Al Qaeda has been pouring into Syria from Iraq and numerous other countries. They are taking advantage of the chaos the rebels have caused. Which is similar to what they did in Iraq. Took advantage of the chaos that occurred after Saddam fell.
47 posted on 07/26/2012 8:52:23 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Fennie
That COULD just be what happens to make Damascus a "ruinous heap" which "ceases to be a city" that the Bible talks about (Isaiah 17:1). This link http://www.trumpetsounds.com/isaiah17.html goes into a lot of detail concerning the nation of Israel and her hostile neighbors and what Almighty God has said WILL happen in the end times. Very interesting.
48 posted on 07/26/2012 9:40:04 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: manc

These rebels are idiots just like in Libya, and we have our Govt dfending and helping them .


rebels=Al-Qaeda

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/07/26/252921/us-helps-alqaeda-join-syrian-rebels/


49 posted on 07/26/2012 10:05:25 PM PDT by freedommom
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To: freedommom

If one is not lazy to learn history he knows NATO has a long romance with islamists.

Islamic terrorism as is developed by the British in form of Hizb-ut-Tahrir in mid-40s to counter Israel’s influence in Middle East.
US supported that at the very beginning because British pushed an idea that Israel is going to be a Soviet Bloc communist nation.
Brits planned to use this crap to deter Israel as a senior US partner, to deter US ditching future US-Israel alliance in ME and keep colonies.
They taught islamists all that modern terrorist tactics back to the 40s to fight the war Brits couldn’t wage for many reasons.
British agenda proved to be a bullcrap by earlier 50s so they abandoned it.
Later Soviet KGB highjacked most of it’s elements developing Baathism there.
Future Al-Qaeda elements were sitting in a closet for a few decades to come out.


50 posted on 07/27/2012 5:17:18 AM PDT by cunning_fish (.)
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