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Critics blast Arpaio's "birther" findings, others distance themselves .
AZFamily.com ^ | July 17, 2012 | Stacey Delikat

Posted on 07/18/2012 6:27:13 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man

Tuesday evening, officials from Hawaii responded to Arpaio’s allegations that their lax laws on birth certificates could pose a national security threat, saying the allegations “are untrue, misinformed, and misconstrue Hawaii law.”

Joshua A. Wisch, Special Assistant to the Attorney General of Hawaii released this statement:

The State of Hawaii has repeatedly confirmed the indisputable evidence of President Obama’s birth in Hawaii. An exhaustive accounting of this is provided on the State Department of Health (DOH) website (http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html). When this issue last arose in May, the Washington Post noted that “the Hawaii Department of Health has released both the short and long forms of the president’s birth certificate; and that all this information, along with clear-as-a-bell explanations, is available to the public online.” (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/in-arizona-the-birther-plot-plays-on/2012/05/21/gIQAV9tYgU_story.html?tid=pm_pop)

President Obama was born in Honolulu, and his birth certificate is valid.

Regarding the latest allegations from a sheriff in Arizona, they are untrue, misinformed, and misconstrue Hawaii law. The purpose of section 338-17.8, Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS), is to accommodate foreign-born individuals whose parents were residents of Hawaii but were temporarily outside of this state due to employment or military service. Similar to section 338-20.5, HRS, which provides for a certificate of foreign birth, anyone who receives a birth certificate under this section would have noted on their birth certificate the physical location of their actual birth. It does not confer citizenship, which is, of course, a power of the federal government.

We also note that section 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982, so it cannot apply to President Obama, who was born at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu in 1961, as is reflected on his certificate of live birth, a copy of which can be viewed on the White House website, a link to which is provided on DOH’s website.

Vital records in Hawaii have some of the highest levels of privacy protection in the nation. Not only are Hawaii’s vital records some of the best managed, but they also have some of the strongest restrictions on access to prevent identity theft and fraud.

Joshua A. Wisch
Special Assistant to the Attorney General
State of Hawaii
Dept. of the Attorney General
425 Queen Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; naturalborncitizen
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There is more in the article about the reaction of various Arizona politicos to Arpaio, but I thought the press release from Hawaii was worth posting.

I know it won't convert the true believers.

1 posted on 07/18/2012 6:27:18 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Tex-Con-Man

nope its a say nothing bunch of garbage by a dem hack....quoting the WP


2 posted on 07/18/2012 6:29:49 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Why dosn’t Hawaii make a meeting with Arpaio’s lead investigator and explain the discrepancies piece by piece.


3 posted on 07/18/2012 6:35:43 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Obama is a fraud CON. You know it, we know it, and everyone knows it. And the Hawaii government is corrupt.


4 posted on 07/18/2012 6:38:02 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: butterdezillion

I think you should respond to this article.


5 posted on 07/18/2012 6:39:16 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Tex-Con-Man

We also note that section 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982, so it cannot apply to President Obama, who was born at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu in 1961, as is reflected on his certificate of live birth, a copy of which can be viewed on the White House website, a link to which is provided on DOH’s website.


So he is confirming that Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Kapiolani Hospital, eh? Then why did Kapiolani pull that fundraising letter when they started getting heat about it?


6 posted on 07/18/2012 6:42:33 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

I noticed that this clown did not address how easy it was to get a Hawaiian birf certificate in 1961. Specifically, the law that was in effect from 1955 to 1982. Zullo went over that Hawaiian statute in detail.


7 posted on 07/18/2012 6:45:57 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Tex-Con-Man

The more we learn about about that con, Obama it gets worse. He was put there not by the voters; but by Soros.


8 posted on 07/18/2012 6:47:19 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Dear Mr. Wisch,

Show us the microfilm.

Sincerely,
The American Public


9 posted on 07/18/2012 6:47:38 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: Tex-Con-Man
The State of Hawaii will go down swinging defending this one. However, the real issue being covered up is the one of “Natural Born Citizen”.

How dang difficult is it for the “ones in the know” to realize, or understand the “Natural Born Citizen”. You know, a child born whose BOTH parents are Citizens at the time of said child's birth.

Although the BC from 0pansy is a fraudulent one (and very important), the BC is only a distraction over the NBC issue. Just my thoughts.

10 posted on 07/18/2012 6:48:22 PM PDT by redshawk (0pansy is a Liar and Hates.........he just hates!)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Wisch can say all he wants but he’s not even authorized to see the records in question. When Wisch says that Obama’s birth certificate is “valid”, what birth certificate is he talking about, and how does he know whether it is or isn’t, if he hasn’t been allowed to see the record? Which law allows Wisch to say what is on Obama’s birth record? When Zullo spoke to Jill Nagamine (deputy AG) she said that they can’t say anything unless there is an official procedure for a qualified person to get a “verification”.

And the truth of the matter is that AZ SOS Ken Bennett filled out an official application for a verification of Obama’s true birth facts (DOB, gender, city of birth, island of birth, mother’s name, and father’s name). According to HI statute HRS 338-14.3 the DOH SHALL (mandatory, no wiggle room) issue a verification of the existence of a vital record AND anything that a qualified applicant requests to be verified pertaining to the vital event. The law stipulates that a verification is a certification that the vital even happened as described by the applicant. IOW, as long as the applicant provides birth facts to be verified that are on a legally valid vital record, the HDOH is REQUIRED to verify those as the true facts.

So what did Onaka do? He refused to verify Obama’s gender as male, DOB as Aug 4, 1961, city of birth as Honolulu, island of birth as Oahu, mother as Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, and father’s name as Barack Hussein Obama. According to the requirements of HRS 338-14.3 the only legal reason for him to refuse to verify those facts to a qualified applicant (which HI recognized Bennett as being by providing a verification of the existence of the birth record) is if they cannot say that the vital event really happened that way. Onaka verified that the claims on the posted long-form are what is claimed in their records, so the only reason left for Onaka to refuse to verify those facts is because the record they have is NOT LEGALLY VALID.

So Wisch can say all he wants with his unaccountable blowing out his rear, but Onaka has rules he has to follow, and when asked specifically whether Barack Hussein Obama II, male, was born on Aug 4, 1961 in Honolulu on the island of Oahu to mother Stanley Ann Dunham Obama and father Barack Hussein Obama, and being required to say yes to any of those items which were true.... he refused to say yes to ANY of those items.

So there is our answer. Hawaii has spoken. The record they have for Obama is not legally valid, according to the only one qualified to answer that question, when subjected to the laws governing verification.

Furthermore, the HDOH has been caught 3 times now falsifying official records, so even with all the hedging around the HDOH did in the instances cited by Wisch, there is little reason to believe them, because they’ve already shown blatant willingness to falsify official records:

1. the 1960-64 birth index so that it includes legally non-valid records.

2. Virginia Sunahara’s database record, so that it didn’t show up under her name when queried. Whose name was her record under at that time, if not her own?

3. The HDOH altered Stig Waidelich’s BC# in a stunt coordinated with CNN. Here’s what I posted elsewhere regarding this latest falsification which I suspected long ago but which is now proven:

Interesting that you bring up CNN...

Based on what Verna Lee said, there is no way that Stig WAidelich was given a BC# 282 later than Gretchen Nordyke, who was born 28 minutes before him. For 282 people to be born in those 28 minutes would require a birth rate 336 times the birth rate in Honolulu for August of 1961.

The HDOH fabricated a BC# for Stig Waidelich to make it appear that BC#’s were not issued sequentially (in order to try to explain away Obama’s BC# discrepancy). And in order to get that false BC# out into the public they arranged a stunt with CNN, where CNN would focus on Stig Waidelich and have him order his BC and pick up the COLB straight from the HDOH office while the CNN cameras videotaped, including the BC#.

By about 6am the morning after that segment by Gary Tuchmann aired on CNN on April 25, 2011... an Obama supporter submitted a comment on my blog asking whether I had seen Stig Waidelich’s BC# and that it contradicted what I was saying about Obama’s BC# being a discrepancy.

That segment showing the BC# that was specifically fabricated by the HDOH for CNN cameras was re-aired on May 30th, when Mike Zullo was in Hawaii investigating the fraud surrounding Obama’s BC. That’s TWICE that CNN aired the stunt that they worked out with the HDOH in order to get FALSIFIED records into the public eye.

So when you mention CNN, they actually DID play a hand in a fabricated birth certificate: Stig Waidelich’s. With the help of the HDOH itself.

This is much, much bigger than Rathergate.


11 posted on 07/18/2012 6:48:22 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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What does ol’ Josh have to say about the multitude of layers in the PDF of the LFBC which should not be there; or the handwritten codes put into the BC form by the registrar that were tampered with and which, as a result of the tampering, contradict each other, etc?

That registrar, Ms. Lee, is still living, and was interviewed by the Cold Case Posse. She has seen how her document has been altered, and as I understand it, she is pissed!

I can see where Hawaii has gotten itself into a real bind. They started the cover-up some years ago, at the behest of Zero’s lawyers, thinking it was a minor detail and would never come up again.

So now they are stuck with their story and have to stonewall, because they can’t let anyone actually EXAMINE the ORIGINAL document which is in their archives; so they suggest that interested parties look at the LFBC on Obama’s website. IMHO, one will get just as much true information by examining a single square of Charmin toilet tissue!


12 posted on 07/18/2012 6:49:44 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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Joshua Wisch is a laughable DNC hack, cut from the mould of Carney, Gibbs, and Axelrod. Wisch's statement is right out of 1984...

"Vital records in Hawaii have some of the highest levels of privacy protection in the nation. Not only are Hawaii’s vital records some of the best managed, but they also have some of the strongest restrictions on access to prevent identity theft and fraud."

Yeah, sure ya do...

13 posted on 07/18/2012 6:50:17 PM PDT by Third Person ( Actions reflect priorities.)
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So he is confirming that Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Kapiolani Hospital, eh? Then why did Kapiolani pull that fundraising letter when they started getting heat about it?

LoL. This guy wishes that Obama was born there as 'true and accurate'. What happen is Obama amended his bogus vital records possible over and over again.

14 posted on 07/18/2012 6:50:49 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Third Person

http://www.legistorm.com/person/Joshua_A_Wisch/58217.html


15 posted on 07/18/2012 6:56:51 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Red Steel; butterdezillion
Red, the whole deal is easily summed up.

Whatever it was that Hawaii gave Obama,
it was not what Obama gave us.

That's what Sheriff Joe and his Posse have proven. As far as Hawaii's Birth Certificate issuing practices ... well that's very old news, too.
"Baby born my house. I witness."
Baby born Hong Kong, now 14 year old, 26 year old? No problem.

Kapiolani? No Way José, or they would have let Zullo see the register. Attack the evidence? Why no. Let's attack Sheriff Joe.

16 posted on 07/18/2012 6:57:00 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and FU Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Wasn’t there some info that surfaced some time back which specified that while Zero and his accomplices claim he was born at that hospital; back in 1961 when the birth is alleged to have taken place, that facility did not go by that name! It did not get that name until around 1979, if memory serves.


17 posted on 07/18/2012 6:57:24 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: rolling_stone

Doesn’t that say it all? He quoted the Washington Post. All the DOH website says about this is that they gave OBAMA’S LAWYER 2 CERTIFIED PHOTOCOPIES, and Obama posted something online.

When officially asked to verify that the online BC that Obama posted was a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file” Onaka refused to verify that. The statute does not allow Onaka to verify something different than what was requested. By not verifying that the online BC was a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file”, as specifically requested by AZ SOS Ken Bennett, Onaka was REFUSING TO VERIFY THAT. The only reason he has for refusing to verify it is if it’s not true.

So again, the unaccountable blowhards can say all they want, but when the question was asked point-blank by somebody required by law to answer honestly.... he indirectly confirmed that the posted BC is NOT a true and accurate representation of the original on file and that the record they have is not legally valid - by refusing to verify any of those things as true.


18 posted on 07/18/2012 7:04:24 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Tex-Con-Man

“President Obama was born in Honolulu, and his birth certificate is valid.”

Maybe it is valid. Maybe he was born in Honolulu.

Maybe it has the wrong Father on it.


19 posted on 07/18/2012 7:06:53 PM PDT by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Ping


20 posted on 07/18/2012 7:16:22 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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