Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
Harris County has had so many Demos move in from other areas (500,000?) that the red balance of the county is not at all as large as it used to be and it has become a concern of the county Republican party.
So yes, it is friggin’ impressive and it is the first time it has happened.
“Insanity: giving 4 more years to the most leftist President ever and imagining that is good for conservatives.”
That’s the power of Mitt-rage for ya...
Very well said. While I have an impulse to add more, that post in its entirety really says it all.
Don’t you just love the self-fulfilling prophecy? “Romney’s a loser and I’m not going to vote for him”. Well...DUH!
You are correct. One of the key reaons that Reagan was nominated and finally elected was that there was only ONE conservative running against the establishment Republican GHW Bush. Did we really believe that we could beat Rommey by splitting our vote several people?
:: Romney has at least been campaigning largely as a conservative ::
“Campaign to the base in a primary, move to a centrist campaign in the general.”
I think you are setting yourself up on this one, Brother.
About the other site:
I checked it out after hearing it mentioned. I’ve only seen vitriol like that from leftwingers. I saw posts that mock the physical appearance of Freepers (from profile pics), that laugh and hoot at Freepers’ health issues. It’s all quite vicious. Some have screen names that are parodies of Freeper names.
I don’t think they realize how pathetic they are, though. They’re so wrecked and destroyed over being zotted from FR that they just can’t move on. They exist to copy and paste whole threads and endlessly obsess over them. It’s like being on FR without being on FR, LOL. Just to test the depth of the obsession, the other day I posted a comment about the site, and sat back and waited to see how long it would take for it to appear there and for the jackals to start yelping. It didn’t take long at all. They really are a bunch of losers.
Also, I would suggest to Freepers not to visit that site. Both times I went there, my computer blocked a threat. There’s no telling what kind of bugs it’s infested with, so if you value your computer, keep that in mind.
If Winston Churchill was here he'd slap you right across your blubbing mouth.
Nationally yes! Other places no! Overall BIG win!
Thanks for the spell check.
My alternative answer is in the post. I’m supporting the only conservative in the race, Virgil Goode.
RINO Tom Ridge was elected governor of this state twice without my vote.
Arlen Specter won four or five times without my vote.
Romney is the slow death and Obama the quicker way in a nation that is around 16 trillion dollars in the hole.
Paul Ryan in Congress doesn’t even envision a balanced budget for more than ten years.
Pat Toomey has a plan to do it in ten years with “loopholes” closed to increase taxes.
The two big parties are kicking the can down the road and their delay in arresting the debt will allow the bubble to burst.
I sort of think they know it and will use the “crisis” when it comes to bring in austerity measurers.
The D’s and R’s will do what the big Greek parties have done.
A “government of national unity” that will cut entitlements and raise our taxes at the same time.
There is no seriously conservative policy to quickly end budget defecits and stop the debt crisis.
ON THIS BIG ISSUE I SEE NEITHER SIDE IS REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT IT.
There is no reason to vote for either one of these guys because they aren’t serious about the BIG ISSUE.
We can vote for ABO. And we can get what WE think would be the most conservative Congress ever.
But in truth, we HAD that ...and it still didn’t get us anywhere.
This country needs a TOTAL overhaul, from the BOTTOM up. Conservatives - it’s time to take back your neighborhood, then your local district, then your city, your state, and from there on up.
We let things go for too long. This is where we’re at. If we want it back, we have to get in and run for dog catcher, and go from there.
You said what I have been TRYING to say and said it VERY well!
Needless to say, I couldn’t agree more!
We’re in for a world of hurt whether it’s Obama or Romney.
I have no idea what you talking about and frankly don’t care.
Enjoy FR. What’s left of it.
Cheers and adieu,
It must make you feel great being the ugliest, most hateful guy on this once-great forum at the very moment that ugliness and hatefulness are bringing it down.
Congratulations on your exemplary service to the collectivist cause, comrade.
I just took up residency in TX. I will be voting for Ron Paul in the primary.
Why? Because he is the only left in the race that isn’t the RINO-Romney. Yeah, he’s a nationalist-kook but maybe, just maybe, we can get a brokered convention.
Speaking for myself, I haven’t called anyone names for saying they’re going to vote for Romney in order to oust Obama. I actually understand that, in view of how desperately I want Obama out.
But it goes both ways. Some of us just cannot vote for Romney because of religious objections. Yet some on this site respond to that like liberals would. “Is Jesus talking to you now?” “Is God running for office?” Or with accusations of being self-righteous, pure, etc.
If you want one to end, you have to be willing to stop the other.
Yet you probably voted for bush who along a Teddy Kennedy did no child left behind no?
Instead of being merely snide and condescending maybe you could say something intelligent and substantive about why you think the next Senate, even if it is GOP-led, will block Obama's judicial appointments. Please be sure to make reference to specific instances in the past where the GOP blocked prior liberal judicial appointments.
Republicans never had a super majority Senate, and everything still had to accommodate Democrats too. That may be part the reason Bush got started on failed government stimulus like tax rebates, and his tax cuts weren’t big enough.
ON the other hand, last night, after going through about 3 pages of posted stories all of which were horribly sad “personal interest” stories, I was thinking I’d rather have seen another half-dozen Romney attack threads than see one more story about a mother stabbing her kid, or a wife burning her husband, or whatever the other sad stories were that I have now blocked out of my mind.
I think that if Virgil Goode and the Constitution Party do for Obama what Ralph Nader did for Bush in 2000 then the GOP-e will be far more likely to move left to replace conservatives rather than move right to win them back.
Gore would have been potus without Nader in the race.
The idea that it is ok to give Obama a second term out of romeny hate is sheer madness IMHO.
Romney stinks and is a RINO, but he is not a communist zealot.
I will resists to may last breath knowingly giving any more support to evil - which I consider the gop-e to be.
I also consider those who attempt to coerce me to be in league with evil, but will ‘shake the dust of my sandals’ as I walk from their attempts.
Supporting what is right should always be our effort.
There have been many Romney supporters on FR over the years but there has also been a concerted and ugly campaign to drive them away and silence them.
I don't have anything nice to say about liberals, or those that support them.
I certainly won't be voting for the pro-abortion, anti-gun, big-government Romney.
Look mjust WHO was doin' the confirmin'!!
If we SWEEP the non-Conservatives out of Congress...
I don't know; whiplash serves just as bad as the original crash...
I don't know; whiplash swerves just as bad as the original crash...
You know; that sounds like a really good thing for me to try!
Folks are complaining that 'the system is broken' when it is not.
The rules are already in place.
Just becauses we have some spineless folks who do not wish to confront others (why are they in politics again??) is why we're in the mess we are now.
Please be sure to make reference to specific instances in the past where the GOP blocked prior liberal judicial appointments.
Congratulations and thank you for your service.
No, if you want to influence the outcome, then you take the game away from the GOP-E and the rest of the politicos who have gamed it to their advantage.
As it stands now, "choosing D or R" is not exercising influence. It's exercising no choice at all. Thinking that it is is merely an illusion based on wishful thinking.
I knew everyone would cave.
There were BIG speeches early on about who to support - many got kicked off and removed from the forum for supporting the “wrong” guy - NOW the cave.
This is basically hypocrisy at its best. Call it whatever you want.
The forum leaders flipped like an IHOP pancake.
How can we take anything in the future as the truth? It was made VERY clear in NO uncertain terms who everyone was supposed to support - if you didn’t follow that line then you would be removed from the forum.
Guess not so much.
I haven't seen them, though I've certainly read and even participated in many threads discussing the dilemma for Christians in voting for an active agent of promoting abortion and open homosexuality, and I sure as hell haven't written them. In the past day or two I have, however, written calmly and with zero rhetoric that even if Romney's documented anti-conservative record wasn't enough (and it is), as a Christian I must reject Romney because of his active promotion of abortion and the gay agenda ...
... and I was IMMEDIATELY SLAMMED with an acid, seething, hysterical replies where I was called a "hater" and a "hypocrite" Christian, a "hypocrite" because I obviously "hated" Romney because he was a Mormon. Which was odd because I never mentioned (let alone thought about!) Romney's Mormonism. This poster who didn't talk issues but DID talk personalities and attack me personally, was immediately joined by at least one "wit" (maybe two, actually) who posted big yuk-yuk-yuks about how Wal-Mart was selling things for people who were afraid of Mormons, things they could use to protect themselves and their babies from Mormon kooties, etc., as in "these backward Christian idiots just hate Mormons." And you whine to me about someone calling you a "Godless liberal" and saying they're the "chosen one" for rejecting Romney because he's pro-abortiong and pro-gay agenda for everybody, including kids and the military? Which Romney IS, by the way?
And you know what? I didn't come on to FR and whine and piss and moan about how all no-other-choice-but-Romney Republicans are like that. Because MOST of them aren't. Most of them are fellow conservatives and patriots who, in my opinion, are shortsighted and letting fear and scare-mongering cloud their better judgment, which is telling them Romney is bad news -- it's why they have to be scared and terrorized into voting for him; they'd never do it, otherwise.
In 2007-08, it was remarkable how out of all the primary candidates' supporters on FR, the ones backing Romney were easily much more nasty, personal, ugly, divisive, and apt to lob accusations of "hatred," childishness, religious bigotry, and "rage" at those who rejected their guy, while backers of Giulianni, Thompson, McCain, and Huckabee were more apt to actually discuss pertinent issues in debate. It became VERY clear that Romney's supporters were a breed of their own, incapable of comprehending why anyone would reject their guy, and that therefore if they did, it must because they were childish, hate-filled, angry, and/or bigoted, which of course were practically NEVER among the reasons any FReeper rejected Romney.
So I did then, and will continue to, repost the personal attack and diatribe of Romney supporters, as a way of reminding lurkers that the behavior of a candidate's supporters speaks volumes about the candidate. People are so busy looking at what they're running away from, that they're failing to look what they're running toward. Voting out of fear is a loser's strategy.
HiTech, I'm in JRob's camp, and I absolutely agree 100% with your post. Jim, your post to anchor this thread was exactly right. I'm really grateful that you wrote it; I needed it.
I understand and respect those who think they have to vote for Romney. This is all an enormous gamble, a gigantic risk no matter how you toss the dice; it's said you have to go to war with the army you have, not the one you wish you had. Since I consider a number of the troops in that army to be in league with the enemy, makes me perceive it more as playing the hand you're dealt. My vote is my play.
It's always been true that when people sacrifice better judgment to desperation and fear, it almost universally leads to disaster. The reason about 60% of Republicans had Romney as their last choice is because their common sense told them he's bad news. Now many are being bullied by a justifiable fear of Obama the Omnipotent, into abandoning their common sense. Fear is dictating how they're going to play the one card in the hand they hold.
I hope a LOT of people step back and consider that in the next seven months. My gosh ... that's all between now and November.
God bless you, Jim Robinson, and thanks for Free Republic.
“If you believe that, then I can’t help you. All I can pray is that CWII ends happily with part of the country, hopefully the South regaining their freedom. Ignorance is evil, look in the mirror. “
I am assuming you are not black. Not sure? Look in the mirror.
But it goes both ways. Some of us just cannot vote for Romney because of religious objections. Yet some on this site respond to that like liberals would. Is Jesus talking to you now? Is God running for office? Or with accusations of being self-righteous, pure, etc.
The discourse here has been ugly throughout the primary season and emotions have run high. I see this administration as the biggest threat to our freedom in my lifetime. I believe an Obama SCOTUS would be horrific for the evangelical church and our Judeo/Christian morals.
I probably share your opinion of Mormonism and I know that will impact the election, particularly in the south. I have pointed that out many times. However, adding another Kagan/Sotomayor to the court won’t be beneficial for our faith and will make the court just as radical as this administration.
We have one swing vote on the court right now that is preventing the wholesale implementation of the progressive agenda. Your pastor/priest might lose their right to free speech under an Obama court. We might lose our right to discuss on this forum under an Obama court. Yes, I fear that these things are closer than we know. I watch the court with interests and I also listen to the progressives own words. What they can’t accomplish through popular vote they will accomplish through the courts. They have repeatedly shown this to be true.
Our conservative ideas and constitution are badly wounded. President Romney will likely be an infection on our extremities. Obama’s second term is a dagger over our heart because of SCOTUS. This must be part of the discussion here.
I sympathize with those who are despondent. I felt the same way about McCain and have a visceral distrust of him. I feel the same way about Romney. Palin gave us a glimmer of hope, but the man at the top of the ticket was deemed unworthy. How I wish we could revisit that decision now!
I respectfully believe that many on this forum are not thinking about the big picture. We did’nt last time because we were disgusted with the GOPe. It has been a disaster for us and our nation. Obama means certain defeat and an Obama court will extend that nightmare far beyond his second term for all of us.
We must not allow our disgust with our candidate to blind us to the insidious danger of the progressive agenda. Hopefully, more people will weigh the options and see the same thing. We can’t afford four more years of this administration and twenty more years of an Obama court. We can influence Romney and the GOPe. We can’t influence this administration or the DNC. We can influence what SCOTUS will look like going forward. We can’t influence what SCOTUS will look like if we lose.
I am going to go work in the garden and pray that my wife and kids make it home safely from their trip. All I ask of FR and Jim Robinson is that we are allowed to point out the big picture without having our free speech crushed on this forum.
The big picture... our Tea Party GOP in the house has not been able to stop Obamacare. Our hope lies in the court. I have a bad feeling that we will face that situation many times in the future!
It’s the 4th quarter and we are getting our butts kicked. Now is not the time to allow the other team to put in their own referees because our QB sucked in practice and the last game.
The reason about 60% of Republicans had Romney as their last choice is because their common sense told them he's bad news.
Now many are being bullied by a justifiable fear of Obama the Omnipotent, into abandoning their common sense.
Fear is dictating how they're going to play the one card in the hand they hold.
My only issue with your original Post was your mocking of others on FR as not being Conservative because they see a different reality than you do regarding the November Election. If that wasn't the case, then I stand corrected. Based on the many Threads and Postings here, it appears the Board is split pretty evenly on this issue. I think that was what Jim saw and why he decided to make the statement that started this Thread. A House Divided... My guy was Newt. Now he is out of the race. That means I have transitioned to an Anybody But Obama Voter. The caveat is that I will choose to go with the Republican who stands a better chance than any Third Party or Write In.
Way back in 1992 when I was too busy with my Career and not Politically involved, I made the mistake of Voting for Perot. That embarrassing decision has haunted me since.
Since I learned my lesson in 1992, I now follow the Mark Levin method, You Vote for your favorite Candidate in the Primary and you Vote for the Republican in the General. Any other strategy guarantees the Democrat will win without having to put up a fight.
In this case, Obama isn't just another Liberal, he is a Radical wannabe Marxist. It is unfortunate that Romney looks to be the presumptive Republican in the race. That is the reality we face and if Obama gets a chance to stack the Supreme Court, it will be a scourge that will haunt this Country for Generations. There will be no 2016 Conservative Miracle to pull this Nation back from the Obama created abyss.
Have a good day. What will be will be.
Time to hold the line on the progressive demoralization of our nation. The liberal GOP-e has no intention what-so-ever of reversing any of the leftist legislation that has been passed....they never have reversed any of it before and they won’t do it now or in the future.
TYBO-GOPE (Turn your back on the liberal GOP-e)
“... and I was IMMEDIATELY SLAMMED with an acid, seething, hysterical replies where I was called a “hater” and a “hypocrite” Christian, a “hypocrite” because I obviously “hated” Romney because he was a Mormon.”
Any posters who did that are just as sactimonious as those who think themselves divinely ordained because they’re not voting for Romney. Stupidity is an equal-opportunity characteristic.
“I didn’t come on to FR and whine and piss and moan about how all no-other-choice-but-Romney Republicans are like that. Because MOST of them aren’t.”
I commented about those who are like that, not about those who aren’t. Not complicated. And you piss and moan about whatever irritates you, just like everyone else.
“Voting out of fear is a loser’s strategy.”
If you’re not afraid of the impact of 4 more years of Obama, after the past 3 years of Obama, you’ll never wake up.
Fastest Reply I have ever seen. Your keYboard must have a hair trigger. LOL
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