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Romney Finding Support Where Women Hold Sway
Wall Street Journal ^ | 7 Feb 2012 | Neil King Jr

Posted on 02/07/2012 10:46:08 PM PST by WilliamIII

GREENWOOD VILLAGE, Colo.—Local Republican activists Debbie Brown and Lynne Cottrell share a similar story. After backing other Republican presidential candidates over the past several months, they have now swung over to Mitt Romney.

Their rationale, on the eve of the Colorado caucuses, may bode well for the former Massachusetts governor, not just now, but also if he faces off in a general election against President Barack Obama.

It boils down to this: Mr. Romney's mildness, seen as a demerit by many conservatives, is a plus for him in swing areas such as voter-rich Arapahoe County, a bellwether for this key electoral state and a place where women dominate the electoral rolls.

"I have come to see him as disciplined and competent. And unlike many of the others, he doesn't carry any baggage," said Ms. Brown, a Republican campaign strategist who works from her home in the suburbs of Denver and once backed Herman Cain, among others.

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Written before tonight's caucus result.
1 posted on 02/07/2012 10:46:12 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

But these lies about Willard and the women who allegedly love him were already posted to the sneers and derision of people of good will everywhere.


2 posted on 02/07/2012 10:48:43 PM PST by Timaeus (Willard Mitt Romney Delenda Est)
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To: WilliamIII
Maybe the women in Colorado feel that way, but the real women I know in the South, just think Romney is like the creepy snake oil salesman their grandparents used to tell them about.
3 posted on 02/07/2012 10:48:48 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: WilliamIII

Better title: Liberals find support where single women hold sway.


4 posted on 02/07/2012 10:53:37 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: WilliamIII

Dewey Defeats Truman 2.0


5 posted on 02/07/2012 10:56:01 PM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: WilliamIII

Time for a new narrative apparently.


6 posted on 02/07/2012 11:03:43 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: Shadowstrike

Romney just had a big fund raiser in Cherry Hills Village in the Denver area. Talk about Country Club Republicans. Karl Rove loves places like Cherry Hills Village.

Google it.


7 posted on 02/07/2012 11:16:03 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: WilliamIII
And unlike many of the others, he doesn't carry any baggage

he has people to carry his baggage for him.

8 posted on 02/07/2012 11:37:13 PM PST by RC one (the majority of republicans agree, anyone but Romney.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

These women should have to take an I.Q. test before being allowed to vote...just a few questions.....1 how many branches of government are there? What branch makes laws? What branch is suppose to interpret law as it is written and against what other document? Who is in charge of the executive branch.Miss one, you cannot vote...until next year when you learn the answers to these questions...


9 posted on 02/07/2012 11:51:43 PM PST by goat granny
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To: WilliamIII

If only women understood how badly Mormonism treats women!


10 posted on 02/07/2012 11:52:02 PM PST by erkelly (Never underestimate the stupidity of the stupid party!)
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To: WilliamIII

11 posted on 02/08/2012 1:27:38 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (NEWT GINGRICH 2012)
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To: erkelly

Evidence?


12 posted on 02/08/2012 2:32:39 AM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: Shadowstrike

>>”Mr. Romney’s mildness, seen as a demerit by many conservatives...”<<

Three cheers for the “real women” in the south and for Shadowstrike!!

We don’t need “mildness”, we need kick-ass get in your face John Wayne-Chuck Norris ‘toughness’ to save America.

Women have got to stop looking at Mitt as a potential lover or what they wish their husbands looked like. It ain’t the Prom, ladies, it’s for the future of our country.


13 posted on 02/08/2012 5:09:33 AM PST by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: palmer

Evidence?

Start with this ... click the pic to learn more

14 posted on 02/08/2012 5:11:01 AM PST by Zakeet (Obama is to leadership as an Etch-A-Sketch is to art)
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To: palmer

—Evidence?—

Do you know where women fit into the “pecking order” according to Mormon teaching? Look it up. It will explain everything.

I remember, back in 1985, a friend and I were studying Mormonism and we got to the teaching on mormonism and marriage. She suddenly said, “My mormon neighbors got a divorce a couple years ago. Now I know why she killed herself.”


15 posted on 02/08/2012 5:16:49 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: goat granny

Oh youz mean

Maff iz so hard...


16 posted on 02/08/2012 6:00:00 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (Romney a Massachusetts moderate which is a liberal by Republican standards)
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To: WilliamIII

Mildness.........gag me.
He reminds me of the kind of guy who would put a rofie in your drink.
He is not mild, he is weak, there is zero “manliness” about him.


17 posted on 02/08/2012 6:28:35 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: palmer

Evidence?
How about women can not get into the lds celestial kingdom with first being called by their husbands.
Which means, that the husbands are in total control because at any moment if she doesn’t tow the line he can threaten her with not calling her name. Essentially saying “you are unworthy”, signal for tough luck babe.
If the woman makes it to the celestial kingdom, they are pregnant for eternity, spitting out spirits to worship the husband.
Woman are subservient to men.
Their job is to stay home have babies, serve the husband and his commands, and they better be happy about it.
Even if they work, they must continue with the babies and total subservience to the husband.
The fear of being called “unworthy is great”, which probably accounts for the large number of lds women who have depression.


18 posted on 02/08/2012 6:37:45 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Zakeet

FLDS is not LDS.


19 posted on 02/08/2012 7:18:40 AM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: cuban leaf
Do you know where women fit into the "pecking order" according to Mormon teaching? Look it up. It will explain everything.

Not really, but my impression is that they are encouraged to have children and to have careers, mainly, but not always, in that order.

20 posted on 02/08/2012 7:21:08 AM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: palmer

See #18 above. Pay attention boy ...


21 posted on 02/08/2012 7:24:55 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: svcw
How about women can not get into the lds celestial kingdom with first being called by their husbands.

Abstract, not relevant.

Even if they work, they must continue with the babies and total subservience to the husband.

To some extent. But that status is no different from other fundamental religious communities like Amish. I think it is a rather liberal argument to say that women are always better off being childless.

arge number of lds women who have depression.

Look around the suburbs here (DC area). Tons of non-LDS depressed women.

22 posted on 02/08/2012 7:25:20 AM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: palmer
I say, Pay ATTENTION, boy!


23 posted on 02/08/2012 7:28:13 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: palmer
If only women understood how badly Mormonism treats women!

FLDS is not LDS.

The original query referred to Mormonism and the FLDS are indeed part of Mormonism. In fact, they practice the faith just as it was originally proclaimed by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young ... unlike their Salt Lake City cousins.

24 posted on 02/08/2012 7:35:47 AM PST by Zakeet (Obama is to leadership as an Etch-A-Sketch is to art)
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To: palmer

It is relevant as to cause and effect.

A mormon woman is completely dependent upon her husband for eternal exaltation. Her “chance” to dwell in the celestial (highest degree or heaven) kingdom.

Thus, they are placed into a position of doing whatever is necessary to please their husband in order to ensure they get their secret name called.

If the husband treats his wife poorly and she’s considering divorce, she’ll be admonished by priesthood authorities that it is her responsibility to submit to him. Her salvation depends on it.

If she persists, she will either be disfellowshipped or excommunicated, thus guaranteeing her a seat with us apostates. Thus, the high degree of depression within mormon circles. The women have no way out in their mind, so they medicate.

It’s all carefully woven together and unless you’ve lived it, it’s difficult to comprehend just how the mormon church “enslaves” its women.


25 posted on 02/08/2012 7:49:53 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: palmer

You asked, I answered, you fluffed off the answer as some liberal argument.
Not surprised, really.
I know from experience from where I speak.


26 posted on 02/08/2012 7:50:16 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: palmer

—Not really, but my impression is that they are encouraged to have children and to have careers, mainly, but not always, in that order.—

Well, your post reminds me of the comparison of two men who share the same top three values: Family, work, health.

However, one prioritizes them health, work, family, while the other prioritizes them family, work, health. The differences between these two men’s lives would be huge.

IOW, saying women are encouraged to have children and careers is basically saying thay are not quite like the teaching of Islam, but similar.

Mormonism is pretty clear about where women fit in. It is why it is polygamous. The idea is that a man becomes the God of a planet, just as Jesus has for this one (and his “father” before him) and then he has multiple wives with whom the man has “spiritual sex” to create billions of spirit babies which then occupy the human babies actually born on the world.

That is at the 30,000 foot level, but you get the gist.


27 posted on 02/08/2012 8:03:42 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: palmer
Abstract, not relevant.

It maybe abstract to you.

It is relevant to woman who beleive without their husbands they will never be able to live for eternity in a celestial heaven.

You say, there are tons of non depressed lds women in DC, and you would know this how?

It is extremely important to lds to never ever let the outside world know how they feel about anything. They must present a "perfect" shell to the outside or they might sully the lds church.

28 posted on 02/08/2012 8:04:58 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: WilliamIII

Most women...not those informed like many here...have historically voted based somewhat on either looks or a grandfatherly demeanor or sometimes both...Reagan and Bush I could claim that ...handsome and yet warm and secure made women feel comfortable

it’s just one of those things political operatives know...good looking men run better with women

Newt and to a lesser degree Rick are at a disadvantage in that way

Married Christian Women seem to be less drawn to this ..but still

and I will admit, I would likely find a pretty woman more appealing ...but I am not crazy about woman pols as a rule anyhow..a few exceptions here and there


29 posted on 02/08/2012 8:11:25 AM PST by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: WilliamIII
It boils down to this: Mr. Romney's mildness, seen as a demerit by many conservatives, is a plus for him in swing areas such as voter-rich Arapahoe County, a bellwether for this key electoral state and a place where women dominate the electoral rolls.


30 posted on 02/08/2012 8:44:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: WilliamIII
I don't like wusses!


31 posted on 02/08/2012 8:45:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: WilliamIII
And unlike many of the others, he doesn't carry any baggage," said Ms. Brown

And he's NEVER gotten himself dirty by getting the horse trailer out of the mud!

32 posted on 02/08/2012 8:47:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: palmer

Evidence?
-—> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molly_Mormon


33 posted on 02/08/2012 8:48:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: palmer
FLDS is not LDS.

True.

The FLDS folks actually FOLLOW what their GOD told them in D&C 132!

34 posted on 02/08/2012 8:50:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: palmer
Look around the suburbs here (DC area). Tons of non-LDS depressed women.

Look around the suburbs here (SLC area). Tons of LDS depressed women.

35 posted on 02/08/2012 8:54:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

36 posted on 02/08/2012 8:58:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Maff iz so hard for me that I passed 9th grade algebra with a D and a promise to the teacher I would not take his class again....If he flunked me, he’s have to have me in the next class....I hate Maff....it realy iz os hard....:O)


37 posted on 02/08/2012 9:07:50 AM PST by goat granny
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To: palmer

Absolutely correct.
The flds have continued Joseph Smith’s teachings an the SLC lds have stayed away to form an off shoot.


38 posted on 02/08/2012 12:54:21 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Elsie

Anecdotes are hard to compare. There could be depression among the women in LDS but the numbers are going to be hard to compare. For one thing they probably have different standards of diagnosis and treatment.


39 posted on 02/08/2012 1:19:28 PM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: SZonian
It’s all carefully woven together and unless you’ve lived it, it’s difficult to comprehend just how the mormon church “enslaves” its women.

It's hardly a unique phenomenon. The LDS women may be in a more organized form than most, but like ad hoc psychological abuse cases, there are opportunities to leave. When they arrive at this forum they get lots of support, don't you agree?

40 posted on 02/08/2012 1:38:21 PM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: svcw
You say, there are tons of non depressed lds women in DC, and you would know this how?

I'm comparing anecdotes. There are lots of reasons that woman in DC suburbs get depressed, both in and out of the workforce. My experience is anecdotal, about 5 or 6 directly and others by hearsay.

41 posted on 02/08/2012 1:42:43 PM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: svcw
The flds have continued Joseph Smith’s teachings an the SLC lds have stayed away to form an off shoot.

Traditionalist offshoots are interesting as anthropological studies, but they exist in many religions. The numbers are more substantial than other religious splinter groups probably a reflection of the relatively recent reforming of the LDS church. I agree that the FLDS child bride practices are reprehensible.

42 posted on 02/08/2012 2:05:14 PM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: palmer

I am sorry I guess I wasn’t clear, my information is anecdotal it is statistical and verified. Here are a couple verifications for you.
(lds newspaper) http://www.deseretnews.com/article/695231614/Utah-leads-the-nation-in-rates-of-depression.html?s_cid=s10
(professional paper) http://packham.n4m.org/prozac.htm


43 posted on 02/08/2012 2:16:10 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: palmer

Yes, child brides are disgusting but that is what Joseph Smith practiced and so do the flds.
The flds are not an off shoot, the SLC lds are (I think from the SLC lds there are about 150 off shoots - not sure about the number).
Other than that, I am not sure what your point is here.


44 posted on 02/08/2012 2:22:14 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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Bookmark.


45 posted on 02/08/2012 2:35:48 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: svcw

The paper points out my problem with some of the arguments against Mormonism here. FIrst the author has some useful facts about the church, psychological stresses and antidepressant use (e.g. Utah is highest of all the states). But then he argues that it is stressful to be taught that the Bible is literal (Creation, the Flood, etc). Then he argues that it is stressful to be homosexual and a Mormon. Those are not convincing argument against Mormonism.


46 posted on 02/08/2012 3:49:55 PM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: svcw
The flds are not an off shoot, the SLC lds are

The numbers do not support that: 10k FLDS and 5m LDS. There are many fundamentalist sects from every religion that can be described as more original or closer to the origins of the religion than mainstream sects. Mainstream religions are not described as offshoots.

47 posted on 02/08/2012 3:57:53 PM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: palmer

It matters not what the numbers are.
Joseph Smith had a religion the flds stuck with those teaching and over the years there were off shoots, of which developed in the SLC lds which does not practice the Joseph Smith mormonISM as orginally taught. Numbers or not that is the way it is.
You really need to learn about mormonISM before you defend it.


48 posted on 02/08/2012 4:03:59 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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