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Posted on 02/07/2012 10:46:08 PM PST by WilliamIII
I'm comparing anecdotes. There are lots of reasons that woman in DC suburbs get depressed, both in and out of the workforce. My experience is anecdotal, about 5 or 6 directly and others by hearsay.
Traditionalist offshoots are interesting as anthropological studies, but they exist in many religions. The numbers are more substantial than other religious splinter groups probably a reflection of the relatively recent reforming of the LDS church. I agree that the FLDS child bride practices are reprehensible.
I am sorry I guess I wasn’t clear, my information is anecdotal it is statistical and verified. Here are a couple verifications for you.
(lds newspaper) http://www.deseretnews.com/article/695231614/Utah-leads-the-nation-in-rates-of-depression.html?s_cid=s10
(professional paper) http://packham.n4m.org/prozac.htm
Yes, child brides are disgusting but that is what Joseph Smith practiced and so do the flds.
The flds are not an off shoot, the SLC lds are (I think from the SLC lds there are about 150 off shoots - not sure about the number).
Other than that, I am not sure what your point is here.
Bookmark.
The paper points out my problem with some of the arguments against Mormonism here. FIrst the author has some useful facts about the church, psychological stresses and antidepressant use (e.g. Utah is highest of all the states). But then he argues that it is stressful to be taught that the Bible is literal (Creation, the Flood, etc). Then he argues that it is stressful to be homosexual and a Mormon. Those are not convincing argument against Mormonism.
The numbers do not support that: 10k FLDS and 5m LDS. There are many fundamentalist sects from every religion that can be described as more original or closer to the origins of the religion than mainstream sects. Mainstream religions are not described as offshoots.
It matters not what the numbers are.
Joseph Smith had a religion the flds stuck with those teaching and over the years there were off shoots, of which developed in the SLC lds which does not practice the Joseph Smith mormonISM as orginally taught. Numbers or not that is the way it is.
You really need to learn about mormonISM before you defend it.
The LDS evolved to roll back their illicit or illegal practices like polygamy or some racial views. Not all the LDS liked that rolling back, so groups like FLDS splintered off.
Here's a better example of what you are describing. It can easily be argued that the original Christian church exists in the social group sometimes known as Friends (not Society of Friends aka Quakers). The group traces their roots to the beginning of Christianity so every other Christian church is an offshoot. The question is, would this group be recognized as the original Church? Would Catholics (just as one example) admit that they are offshoots?
I think not. Nor would be LDS be considered an "offshoot" of FLDS.
Ok, whatever you say.
Learn about mormonSIM then get back to me.
Evolved???
They threw their GOD under the BUS!
“Unique”? It is because of the fact that the PR used to portray the religion as mainstream is in conflict with reality. Many believe the PR because “mormons are just such good conservatives” that it can’t possibly be true. Talk about drinking the kool-aid.
Then there are those who dismiss the numerous observations and experiences of ex-mo’s as anecdotal at best.
There are much better “forums” (support groups) than FR for ex-mormons to get support in. I’m a member of some of them. The experiences related by many, especially the women is quite disturbing. Male priesthood “authorities” using intimidation to “put the women back in their place”, ex-communicating women for starting divorce proceedings against abusive husbands, etc.
Dismissing the facts that SLC inc. uses psychological and doctrinal coercion and manipulation to maintain control over their women is disappointing to say the least.
I am not a koolaid drinker. My Mormon sample size is currently one, statistically invalid, but nonetheless a huge disappointment. It is true that Mormons are more conservative than average. But it is no longer true that they vote that way, they know Romney is a liberal but support him anyway. In some cases they hope he will veer conservative, in other cases they just don't care.
Yes, she could “walk away”, but her eternal salvation has now been compromised. The angle here is spiritual, not physical.
That’s the perspective I and others are coming from. As stated in the Bible, don’t worry about the temporal threats, worry about the spiritual (eternal) threats.
Sorry, didn’t mean to ally you with kool-aid drinkers, I was talking in general.
Identity politics is real, the primary and caucus results bear that out.
I know a few mormons who aren’t enthusiastic about Mitt but wouldn’t have any problem pulling for him because they believe that he is a “worthy” man and thus, eligible regardless of his record.
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