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Live Thread: Iowa GOP Presidential Debate 9 P.M. EST, 6 P.M. PST 12/15/11 Fox News Channel
Thursday, December 15, 2011 | Kristinn

Posted on 12/15/2011 4:21:09 PM PST by kristinn

The last debate before the January 3rd Iowa caucuses is being held tonight in Sioux City.

We get seven candidates at this debate: Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Jon Huntsman.

Fox's Bret Baier anchors the debate. Fox News panelists questioning the candidates: Chris Wallace, Megyn Kelly and Neil Cavuto.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: anotheryawner; biasedfox; debate; elections; fox4backstabber; fox4loser; fox4romney; gopdebate; gopiowadebate; himagusnret; iowa; kristinnrocks; livegopiowadebate; megynkelley; ronpaulisaloon; ronpauliscrazy; souixcitydebate
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To: kristinn
Incredibly, FOX NEWS/Wallace encourages Romney to lie
to America about HIS imposing gay marriage in Massachusetts.

Santorum was correct. Romney, of course, lied.

Note Romney’s use of improper executive authority. [The Romney Way™]

"Experts: Credit Romney for homosexual marriage"
"What he (Governor Bishop Mitt Romney) did was exercise illegal legislative authority'

"While former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney claims he did everything possible to throttle homosexual marriage in his state – his campaign now saying he took "every conceivable step within the law to defend traditional marriage" – several constitutional experts say that just isn't so.

"What Romney did [was] he exercised illegal legislative authority," Herb Titus said of the governor's actions after the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court released its opinion in the Goodridge case in 2003. "He was bound by what? There was no order. There wasn't even any order to the Department of Public Health to do anything."

Titus, a Harvard law graduate, was founding dean of Pat Robertson's Regent University Law School. He also worked with former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, ...

Romney's aides have told WND that after four of the seven court members reinterpreted the definition of marriage, he believed he had no choice but to direct clerks and others to change state marriage forms and begin registering same-sex couples.

Some opponents contend that with those actions, Romney did no more or less than create the first homosexual marriages recognized in the nation. And Titus agrees."

"....But the court's decision conflicts with the constitutional philosophy of three co-equal branches of government: executive, legislative and judicial, Titus said. It also violates with the Massachusetts Constitution, which states: "The power of suspending the laws, or (suspending) the execution of the laws, ought never to be exercised but by the legislature..."

And it cannot even be derived from the opinion itself, asserts the pro-family activist group Mass Resistance, which says the decision did four things:

* First, it acknowledged that the current law does not permit same-sex marriage.

"The only reasonable explanation is that the Legislature did not intend that same-sex couples be licensed to marry. We conclude, as did the judge, that G.L. c. 207 may not be construed to permit same-sex couples to marry."

* Second, it said it is NOT striking down the marriage laws (among other things, the Massachusetts Constitution forbids a court to change laws)

"Here, no one argues that striking down the marriage laws is an appropriate form of relief."

* Third, it declared that not allowing same-sex marriages is a violation of the Massachusetts Constitution.

"We declare that barring an individual from the protections, benefits, and obligations of civil marriage solely because that person would marry a person of the same sex violates the Massachusetts Constitution."

* And fourth, given that the court is not changing any laws, the SJC gave the Legislature 180 days to "take such action as it may deem appropriate."

"We vacate the summary judgment for the department. We remand this case to the Superior Court for entry of judgment consistent with this opinion. Entry of judgment shall be stayed for 180 days to permit the Legislature to take such action as it may deem appropriate in light of this opinion."

After the Legislature did nothing during the 180 days, Romney then took action "on his own," the group said.

"Gov. Romney's legal counsel issued a directive to the Justices of the Peace that they must perform same-sex marriages when requested or 'face personal liability' or be fired," the group said."

1,221 posted on 12/15/2011 7:59:23 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: onyx

Romney looked like a blubbering idiot trying to explain his record. LOL!!!!


1,222 posted on 12/15/2011 7:59:31 PM PST by Lady4Liberty (Watch Romney endorse Obama's radical liberal agenda: http://youtu.be/i1fThdWagJ4)
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To: AdamBomb

She was angry.


1,223 posted on 12/15/2011 7:59:40 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: Pravious

Bachmann is done. Plain and simple.


1,224 posted on 12/15/2011 7:59:40 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: katiedidit1; TitansAFC; rodguy911

Here’s Bachmann going off on Gingrich again.

I hope he nails her.

GOOD. “Sometimes Congresswoman Bachmann doesn’t get her facts straight.”

She is really a witch.

I am completely done with her.


1,225 posted on 12/15/2011 7:59:49 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Pravious

Yet her attacks on Romney are conspicuous in their absence.


1,226 posted on 12/15/2011 7:59:49 PM PST by CASchack
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To: KansasGirl
Bachmann is attacking Newt! again Is she saying Newt supports infacticide? What is she talking about?

Somebody should tell Michelle that "Serious candidates for President" don't need to go around telling people in debates that they are a serious candidate for President - people know it if you are.
1,227 posted on 12/15/2011 7:59:49 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Pravious

She’s dead to me now.


1,228 posted on 12/15/2011 7:59:56 PM PST by Yankee (Welcome to Obama's Fourth Reich.)
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To: All

STupid Bachmann.....she isn’t getting the whole story...I kind of pity her.


1,229 posted on 12/15/2011 8:00:08 PM PST by Fawn (NEWT FOR PRESIDENT 2012~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: tioga
Perry

Newt

Santorum

1,230 posted on 12/15/2011 8:00:08 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: LibsRJerks
Bachmann: "I'm a serious candidate."

If you have to say it, you probably aren't.

1,231 posted on 12/15/2011 8:00:13 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war. It's coming.)
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To: Reagan69

“I’m a serious candidate...”

No, Michelle, you’re NOT.


1,232 posted on 12/15/2011 8:00:13 PM PST by Pravious
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To: Miss Didi

She deserved it. Shes ditzy/zany even and must have got her law degree in mexico.


1,233 posted on 12/15/2011 8:00:55 PM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: Lady4Liberty

Was that Obama’s volunteer army causing a disturbance there?


1,234 posted on 12/15/2011 8:01:01 PM PST by Dysart
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To: Irish Eyes

Newt

Perry

Cain (yes)

Romney


1,235 posted on 12/15/2011 8:01:01 PM PST by Zarro ("I'll never apologize for America's greatness." - Herman Cain)
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To: kristinn

Bachmann got Turned Over in the last drive!


1,236 posted on 12/15/2011 8:01:08 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Yankee

Yep. Had it with that crap.


1,237 posted on 12/15/2011 8:01:16 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: CASchack

We should all let Fox news know how we do not like nor appreciate these attacks egged on by wallace!!!


1,238 posted on 12/15/2011 8:01:24 PM PST by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd ,you get no further than the crowd!")
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To: Reagan69

Newt got a good applause, stated he has a 98.5% pro life record; opposes embryotic stem cell experiments, etc. BACHMANN got her ammo (aside) from George Will. She is a shrill and a bitch


1,239 posted on 12/15/2011 8:01:24 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: RummyChick

Which Rick?


1,240 posted on 12/15/2011 8:01:24 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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