Posted on 11/05/2011 3:16:26 PM PDT by blueyon
Republican 2012 presidential candidates Republican 2012 presidential candidates Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich met in a Lincoln-Douglas style debate on current economic and social issues facing the U.S.
Should be no problem seeing me after looking around I am the only one with full head of hair.
Were you the guy with thick blonde-grey hair?
Frankly, I don’t want to hear anything else about Perry at all. He’s not only toast he’s croutons. He needs to get out before he does any more damage to whatever reputation he may or may not have had.
UNBELIEVABLE! Check out the AP story on the debate!
How they found nothing but negative after that debate is an indication of how sorry our country has become. I’m not a Cain guy, but why can’t they just report on the friggin news. It was a great ‘debate’ and both men showed themselves to be patriots
Not only that, I read the comments ! It is totally planned and I am sure, people are paid to post! It is so methodical! There intention is to avoid giving 20 to 25 % of black votes to Republicans. If it happens, there is no way Obama will win states like North Carolina, Virginia, Pennsylvania & florida ! It is very simple !
Oh please. Stop acting like everyone steals Perry’s ideas.
Here is a Cain article on the 10th in 2006:
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Where Congress Fumbles, the States Recover
August 16, 2006
By Herman Cain
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” – 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
The inability and unwillingness of Congress this year to cut federal spending, restructure Social Security, eliminate the estate tax and protect our borders has been well documented. If the Republicans lose seats this November in one or both chambers, they will have their self-imposed legislative impotence to blame. Fortunately, many of the state legislatures realize that the burdens imposed on Americans by illegal aliens, high tax rates and unchecked spending will not go away merely because Congress ignores these issues. Many states are exercising their 10th Amendment rights and offering their own bold solutions.
At the federal level, Congress has never met a taxpayer’s dollar it didn’t want to spend. The federal budget watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste identified nearly 10,000 pork barrel earmarks in the 11 Fiscal Year 2006 appropriations bills. The total cost of these earmarks is a record $29 billion, a 6.2 percent increase over earmark spending in 2005.
Meanwhile, mandatory spending on entitlement programs continues to soar. Mandatory entitlement spending on programs such as Social Security and Medicare comprised 54 percent of the federal budget in 2005, and is expected to reach 62 percent by 2015. Congress extended to 2010 the 15 percent rates on capital gains and dividend income, but failed to repeal the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax.
But at the state level, many legislatures are listening to their citizens who are demanding an end to irresponsible spending and the rising tax rates to pay for it. Citizens in at least five states (Montana, Nebraska, Maine, Nevada and Oregon) have the opportunity this November to enact taxpayer protection amendments to their state constitutions. Modeled after Colorado’s Taxpayer Bill of Rights Amendment, the ballot initiatives in these states will limit state spending growth to a formula based on the inflation rate plus population growth. Further, most require approval from a majority of both the state legislature and the state’s citizens to increase spending or tax rates.
Currently, 28 states have tax and expenditure limits, and these states are taking the fiscally responsible steps to lock changes in spending and tax law into their constitutions. They are sending the message that future generations won’t be saddled with high tax rates and debt due to the careless spending decisions of today.
In Georgia, state House leaders recently proposed changes to the tax code that could provide its citizens much needed tax relief and a tax code fairer for everyone.
One proposal from Representative Steve Davis is the Georgia Fair Tax Act. The Georgia Fair Tax will eliminate all personal and corporate income taxes and replace them with a sales tax. Like the Fair Tax introduced in Congress, under the Georgia Fair Tax individuals will determine the amount of taxes they pay based on how much they spend. Business costs will also drop drastically, reducing the cost of goods and encouraging other businesses to relocate to Georgia.
At the federal level, the Senate this year failed to pass the common sense House immigration bill. Instead, the Senate passed their own bill that would give amnesty to the millions of illegal aliens within our borders and put them on the fast track to citizenship. As the late House Speaker Tip O’Neil once famously remarked, “All politics is local.” Perhaps no issue is as local and visible this year than the burden placed on states and local communities by illegal aliens, and the states are taking action.
For example, in 2004 Arizonans passed Proposition 200, the Arizona Taxpayer Citizen Protection Act, requiring identification to vote and denying some government benefits to illegal aliens. A July 2006 Wall Street Journal report found that this year over 500 pieces of legislation aimed at curbing illegal immigration have been introduced in state legislatures.
In April 2006, Georgia Governor Sonny Perdue signed the Georgia Security and Immigration Compliance Act. This bill requires citizenship verification for those receiving state benefits, cracks down on businesses employing illegal aliens and helps local law enforcement agencies work more closely with federal agencies to enforce immigration laws. A similar bill was passed in Colorado this year after Governor Bill Owens called a special session to address the rapidly escalating burdens on state coffers, law enforcement and local communities caused by illegal aliens.
Most of our nations’ founders wisely envisioned a limited role for the federal government over our lives. However, Congress too often picks and chooses when it will exceed the limits imposed by our founders, as we see in tax and spending legislation, and when it will abdicate its constitutional duties to protect the national defense, as we saw this year in the Senate immigration bill.
The Constitution’s 10th Amendment provides states the ability to check the irresponsible or impotent activities of Congress. Given the reluctance in Congress to fix our biggest problems or even admit some problems exist, our right as citizens to shape and influence legislation in our 50 statehouses is one we must all exercise.
http://economicfreedomcoalition.com/news/press-opinion-081606.asp
CharlesWayneCt never posts objectionable posts. I might, but he doesn’t. He has every right to make comments that do not necessarily worship Mr. Cain.
And, don’t you dare take it up with me in freepmail.
I demand that you not clutter up my freepmail.
Jealous much?
OK. I am pleased that Newt and Cain validated ALL of Perry’s platform and so did you and everybody else on the thread by extension with your agreement.
Thanks again.
That made me LOL!
That is exactly the sort of snarky, destructive comment that gives you Perry supporters a bad name around here. It also casts your candidate in an even worse light than he already is.
Debates over now, so I guess it’s ok to talk. While so many people were “disrupting” the thread, we hardly had any posts of quotes from the debate, and many of the other posts were either attacking Perry for not crashing a debate he wasn’t invited to, or complaining about the sound system.
Apparently dozens of posts about poor sound quality wasn’t disruptive, but pointing out that a proposal mentioned at the debate had been done successfully in Texas was too onerous a statement for those here to hear.
I still wish we had caucus thread designations for stuff like this, so everybody could enjoy their own realities, and the rest of us would know to stay away from the worship threads.
Did it go over your head that in THIS debate, two things Cain was praised for...bringing up tort reform and voter ID... are two laws Perry has already signed into law!?
Nope! Not mad anymore.
Some here feel Gingrich would be best as first on the ticket and I disagree. Cain is the everyman and Newt is the politician. Put the everyman up there to communicate to the people- charting the vision and paired with the politician who understands how to maneuver through the bowels of DC, together they will succeed.
AP said what?
Not possible.
Cain is well versed on issues -
Here is his political commentary going back to 2005:
http://economicfreedomcoalition.com/press-opinion.asp
And this year:
http://www.thinkersvoice.com/content/cainscommentary
I take it then you are in agreement with Perry’s message, just not Perry the messenger.
When Perry joined the race I had very high hopes for him. His 1st debate, I gave him mulligan. But the next two told me that he was not fit to be my pick. To Perry supporters, the polls show that he has fallen flat and has little to no chance to get back into this race. That being said I do not want Mitt Romney to get the GOP TICKET.
And don’t forget his standing on the stage with Pelosi saying global warming was real. (UGH)
Sorry, onyx. I got caught up in the moment. You are a jewel, y'know.
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