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Herman Cain: pizza boss, radio host, ballistics expert, minister. President?
guardian.co.uk ^ | 8 October 2011 | Staff

Posted on 10/09/2011 5:21:04 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

He is the latest Tea Party favourite to burst through in the increasingly heated race for the Republican presidential nomination and see their poll numbers rocket them to frontrunner status.

However, unlike previous rightwing darlings such as Texas governor Rick Perry and Minnesota congresswoman Michele Bachmann, wealthy businessman Herman Cain, 65, can claim to be cut from a very different sort of cloth from the average Republican candidate.

First, he is not actually a politician. Cain, whose CV includes being a radio show host, a navy ballistics expert, a Baptist minister and a Federal Reserve official, has never held elected office in his life. His most famous job was as chief executive of the fast-food firm Godfather's Pizza.

Yet none of that seemed to matter to the cheering crowds at the Values Voter Summit in a Washington DC hotel late last week. There was much to celebrate. A Zogby opinion poll had just boosted Cain into first place in the race, with 38% of the vote, compared with 18% for former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. Perry trailed in third place with 12%. The study even showed Cain beating President Barack Obama in a match-up by 46% to 44%.

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To: mkjessup

You bet!

When one is losing the argument, you play the race card. Just try using that everytime you defend your candidate.

Doesn’t scare me. Keep it up and you will soon see how many new supporters you win here.


251 posted on 10/09/2011 12:32:09 PM PDT by tirednvirginia (one)
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To: tirednvirginia
Correct, this fragmented and aimless group did such a marvelous job of winning support for their first potential candidate, that their candidate was forced to drop out of the race because her support kept dropping.

Look at it this way; Whom ever they support, consider that candidate's days to be numbered.

252 posted on 10/09/2011 12:43:02 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: tirednvirginia

I knew Pavlov, Pavlov was a friend of mine, and I can see that you know him too.

*DING DING DING* LOL


253 posted on 10/09/2011 12:44:13 PM PDT by mkjessup (Herman Cain is a God fearin', Jesus-lovin', Constitution-revering PATRIOT. What's not to like?)
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To: mkjessup

Your remarks don’t help your candidate and I will call Barack Obama “boy” anytime I feel like it.


254 posted on 10/09/2011 12:56:12 PM PDT by tirednvirginia (one)
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To: jla
By the way, do you Cain supporters share your man's zeal and admiration for Mitt Romney?

Do you Perry supporters share your man's enthusiasm for Rudy Giuliani? Perry campaigned hard for him, told America that Rudy was what the country needed.

While I don't like that Cain supported Romney and don't think there's a good excuse for that, there is even less of an excuse for Perry campaigning for Giuliani, not just because Giuliani was pro-gay marriage, pro-gun control, and pro-abortion, but because Giuliani's lawfirm was working to try and get Perry's TTC pushed through. That just smells of corruption.
255 posted on 10/09/2011 1:14:47 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

They have a new weapon they didn’t have before.


256 posted on 10/09/2011 1:15:53 PM PDT by tirednvirginia (one)
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To: tirednvirginia
I will call Barack Obama “boy” anytime I feel like it.

I rest my case.
257 posted on 10/09/2011 1:32:50 PM PDT by mkjessup (Herman Cain is a God fearin', Jesus-lovin', Constitution-revering PATRIOT. What's not to like?)
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To: ozarkgirl
Folks need to do their homework before knocking him.

I think they know. I think they want to pretend they don't.

258 posted on 10/09/2011 1:41:35 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: ozarkgirl

Lot’s of information there at his website. I won’t try to forecast where we’ll be a year form now, but he seems like a force to be reckoned with...from his site:

“In 1994, as head of the National Restaurant Association, he had the opportunity to speak with President Clinton during a nationally televised town hall meeting. Here, Herman challenged the President regarding the impact on businesses if his health care overhaul proposal were passed. President Clinton attempted to assure him and the millions of viewers watching at home that his legislation would not harm American business owners and their employees.

Herman was skeptical. “Quite honestly Mr. President, your calculations are incorrect,” he said. “In the competitive marketplace, it simply doesn’t work that way.” His words echoed across America, and Newsweek named Herman Cain the primary saboteur of Hillarycare.”

He’s still moving about the planet, which is more than can be said for many who encountered the most corrupt president our country has seen. There’s a link to a YouTube clip of the same scene there at his site.


259 posted on 10/09/2011 1:54:48 PM PDT by Retch_Sweeney (Men to whom God is dead worship one another...Harry Crews)
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To: Retch_Sweeney
He’s still moving about the planet, which is more than can be said for many who encountered the most corrupt president our country has seen.

Shouldn't that be "second most corrupt"?

260 posted on 10/09/2011 1:57:33 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Polybius

I think Cain and anyone else with a mind realizes that Romney doesn’t have a chance. At this point, it is a Cain Perry race.


261 posted on 10/09/2011 2:00:39 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: JDW11235

Just wondered if you have seen this article?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/09/cain-poor-wont-pay-more-under-9-9-9/


262 posted on 10/09/2011 2:02:37 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: DollyCali

well.... not ANY. There are three that are not getting my vote, no way, no how. Then there are those so far behind that they should drop out.


263 posted on 10/09/2011 2:06:27 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen

He assumes companies will give everyone a 15.3% pay increase, which I don’t believe would happen. Right now only 5.65% of your gross pay goes to Social Security and Medicare taxes. The other 7.65% is what the company pays, but there is no requirement that the company must give you that 7.65%.


264 posted on 10/09/2011 2:08:16 PM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: TomGuy

Is there something in place to prevent Congress from tampering with our present tax code?


265 posted on 10/09/2011 2:08:39 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen
Is there something in place to prevent Congress from tampering with our present tax code?

Yes, they are called primaries. Unfortunately the voters don't take advantage of them.
266 posted on 10/09/2011 2:10:39 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Netizen
“Relative to regression, no, it is not,” Cain said. “If you take a family of four at $50,000, and $25,000, start with the fact that if they're getting a paycheck, they pay 15.3% in the payroll tax. That 15.3 becomes 9 percent. That's a 6 percentage point differential.”

That's wrong right off the bat. The overwhelming majority of people don't work for themselves. They pay a FICA that is currently 5.65%. That's less than 9% even before you factor in the 9% sales tax.

Cain explained that the proposed 9% national sales tax would only be applied to new goods that change hands and not to the sale of used goods

His own website makes no such claim. It speaks of a 9% sales tax, period. No exclusion for used goods or food or services or housing or anything. So virtually anything you buy goes up 9%.

267 posted on 10/09/2011 2:13:34 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: mkjessup

Oh yes, you just got 3 more votes for your candidate by playing the race card.

You think its the ultimate insult to anyone who disagrees with a black man.

It won’t work here.


268 posted on 10/09/2011 2:17:31 PM PDT by tirednvirginia (one)
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To: tirednvirginia
A shrewd businessman would never hire anyone with no experience for key positions. Cain wouldn’t hire Cain.

What an asinine thing to say. Cain is a mathematician. So, as a business man, he sure would hire himself!

269 posted on 10/09/2011 3:08:27 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: SeekAndFind

999 is just a selling slogan. Herman is realistic, reasonable, and solid enough to iron out the wrinkles.


270 posted on 10/09/2011 3:16:16 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: TomGuy
>"He is too much of an unknown quantity, politically."

One thing is for sure.

We don't need another POLITICIAN.

Point, Match, HC.

271 posted on 10/09/2011 3:23:18 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: tirednvirginia

Sorry, correction, Cain was asked to and considered running for NE senate but declined in favor of running for POTUS in 2000. So 2 failed elections. However, he was active in NE politics and definitely has a record there, including endorsing a Democrat over a Republican. Who and why I haven’t found yet.

There are many sites that talk about his positions and the pro civil rights platform he ran on in Georgia. The following is just one of many with a summation of some of Herman Cain’s positions:

http://christiancitizens.org/herman_cain_for_president.html

Cain’s abortion stance is a mess. He needs to clarify that and his 2nd amendment stance has already been ruled unconstitutional. What is his position?

Herman Cain needs to be vetted NOW, by his supporters. If I can find this info with my limited research skills and a simple google search, you can bet the MSM and Obama team have it.


272 posted on 10/09/2011 3:27:45 PM PDT by Mari2525
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To: tirednvirginia
Oh yes, you just got 3 more votes for your candidate by playing the race card.

You need to stop talking out of your ass. Your above statement is total BS.

You think its the ultimate insult to anyone who disagrees with a black man.

You're the one with the insults. In case you were somehow unaware, one of the worst things you can call ANY black man is 'boy', it's even beyond the n-word, c**n, and all that.

And that appears to be your default label, as you previously stated you would use it anytime you want to.

It won’t work here.

I know what DOES work here, and that is to even slightly suggest that there could be some sort of latent racism at work in some (not all, but some) of the comments made, and true to form you start howlin' away.

What's that old saying, "throw a brick into a pack of dogs, and the one who yelps the loudest? That's the one ya hit!"
273 posted on 10/09/2011 3:31:13 PM PDT by mkjessup (Herman Cain is a God fearin', Jesus-lovin', Constitution-revering PATRIOT. What's not to like?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Cain’s first degree was a BS in Math if I have the detail right———He got his MS while he was doing ballistics work for the US Navy-——I’m just itching to watch a bunch of lawyers try to take him on with the numbers! It won’t even be a fair fight. Makes me think of one sheep dog with teeth herding a bunch of mutton that has nothing but butts and hair.


274 posted on 10/09/2011 3:36:00 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Mari2525

Thank you.


275 posted on 10/09/2011 3:42:25 PM PDT by tirednvirginia (one)
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To: Beagle8U

Maybe he will offer them a tuition discount! /s


276 posted on 10/09/2011 3:43:43 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: mkjessup

Cut your insults. I call lots of guys boys including my husband and he likes it. He’s 67 years old.


277 posted on 10/09/2011 3:46:19 PM PDT by tirednvirginia (one)
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To: tirednvirginia

But he’s not black, is he?


278 posted on 10/09/2011 3:50:55 PM PDT by mkjessup (Herman Cain is a God fearin', Jesus-lovin', Constitution-revering PATRIOT. What's not to like?)
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To: teenyelliott
I'm still willing to hear him out on this. If it is to revive dying cities and dying local economies, he might be right.

I think that is what it is. I haven't looked but does ghetto only refer to black neighborhoods or is it a general term for badly run down neighborhoods?

Got curious

ghet·to  
noun, plural ghet·tos, ghet·toes.
1. a section of a city, especially a thickly populated slum area, inhabited predominantly by members of an ethnic or other minority group, often as a result of social or economic restrictions, pressures, or hardships.
2.(formerly, in most European countries) a section of a city in which all Jews were required to live.
3. a section predominantly inhabited by Jews.
4. any mode of living, working, etc., that results from stereotyping or biased treatment: job ghettos for women; ghettos for the elderly.

Ghettos seems to apply to a lot of different people, NOT JUST BLACKS.

I think he is on the right track. Improve these areas to help bring business back to these areas and thus employ people ala job creation!

279 posted on 10/09/2011 3:52:15 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: mkjessup
sheets come back from the dry cleaners

Who dry cleans sheets? Does anyone do that? And what does clean bedding have to do with any of this??

280 posted on 10/09/2011 5:29:25 PM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: altura
I just found the post you referenced, about dry cleaning sheets. I didn't know anyone dry cleaned sheets. I thought they just washed them.

Seriously though, the race card is pretty lame. I play rough and don't mind if others do too. I can be a very cranky critic, and so I have to accept the same in return. But the race card? That's just nonsense.

281 posted on 10/09/2011 5:33:22 PM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: ml/nj

Cain has one outstanding defect against his candidacy:

Playing the Niggerhead card against Perry!

He should have kept his mouth shut about this non-issue!


282 posted on 10/09/2011 6:13:24 PM PDT by IbJensen
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To: SoJoCo

No and No.


283 posted on 10/09/2011 8:02:12 PM PDT by Nucluside (ready)
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To: SoJoCo

You obviously haven’t been in the upper 20% of the population who have to mark their every move on that ridiculously complicated and byzantine tax code. My time and privacy mean more to me than to spend hours keeping books specifically for the government.

Perhaps we could come up with a system where people who enjoy being b-——s for a bunch of authoritarian a———s and wasting hundreds of hours a year under the whips of a bunch of ignorant, effete, and officious bastards could opt for that, instead of just simply paying straight taxes.

Cain would negotiate the numbers, and by the way, his 9 9 9 would include that for Social Security, etc. I didn’t see that added in to your figures.


284 posted on 10/09/2011 8:22:03 PM PDT by Nucluside (ready)
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To: RoosterRedux
Correct. My understanding about Baptists (both from friends who are and services I've attended) is that they are a pretty diverse bunch. One school is tied fairly closely to the mainline Protestant sects. Another is tied more closely to the originalist anabaptist movement who, back in the 15th thru 17th centuries were targeted by Catholic and the emerging Protestant sect powers alike.

Originalists among the anabaptist movement do not, in fact, consider themselves to be part of the Protestant movement at all since they never bought into the state church thing dating back to the time of Emperor Constantine.

Jan Hus is the most famous of the anabaptist martyrs. However, there is ample evidence that Roger Williams, the American icon of religious freedom, had anabaptist leanings as well.

285 posted on 10/09/2011 8:27:36 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: TomGuy
Running a corporation is much different than being president of the Nation.

This is the kind of statement psychologist Paul Meehl identified and called a 'barnum statement." It sounds uniquely meaningful but could be applied almost anywhere about any subject.

"Being a general is much different than being a President."(Washington, Eisenhower) "Being a Secretary of State is much different than being President"( Jefferson, Madison, Monroe). Being a movie actor is much different than being President(Reagan).

Maybe we should stick with governors like Clinton and Carter. Should have given Dukakis a try. All that "political experience" really paid off for the nation.

286 posted on 10/09/2011 8:35:01 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Nucluside
You obviously haven’t been in the upper 20% of the population who have to mark their every move on that ridiculously complicated and byzantine tax code. My time and privacy mean more to me than to spend hours keeping books specifically for the government.

What makes you so sure of that.

Cain would negotiate the numbers, and by the way, his 9 9 9 would include that for Social Security, etc. I didn’t see that added in to your figures.

Then read it again. I pointed out that the average family of 4 with the median income likely pays nothing but FICA, currently at 5.65%. So Cain's plan is an income tax increase on them right off the bat. Add to that the 9% sales tax on virtually everything they buy and it more than doubles their federal taxes.

288 posted on 10/10/2011 4:35:03 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: TomGuy

Reducing Herman Cain to a “Pizza Delivery” man just shows your ignorance,or perhaps bias.


289 posted on 10/10/2011 4:53:03 AM PDT by guardian_of_liberty (We must bind the Government with the Chains of the Constitution...)
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To: TomGuy

“running a corporation is much different than being president of the Nation.” How is it much different? To run a corporation you need to be a problem-solver. To run this country you need to be a problem-solver.

A good problem-solver can solve problems... wherever they are. We need a problem-solver to run this country because the current president has created more problems than he has solved. He is not a problem-solver. He’s the last of the big spenders (of our tax money).

Cain doesn’t need any political experience to solve problems. That’s a major misconception that many people have.


290 posted on 10/11/2011 11:14:21 PM PDT by oldbiker1 (We need an experienced problem-solver.)
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To: JDW11235

Perhaps, but were they generals?


291 posted on 10/12/2011 12:38:25 AM PDT by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: SoJoCo

FICA is not 5.65%. It is 7.65% x 2 = 15.30% IIRC.


292 posted on 10/12/2011 12:43:51 AM PDT by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: PghBaldy
FICA is not 5.65%. It is 7.65% x 2 = 15.30% IIRC.

Check your paycheck. The employee contribution has been 5.65% since the first of the year.

293 posted on 10/12/2011 4:21:49 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: PghBaldy
FICA is not 5.65%. It is 7.65% x 2 = 15.30% IIRC.

Check your paycheck. The employee contribution has been 5.65% since the first of the year.

294 posted on 10/12/2011 4:22:03 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: PghBaldy

I couple of them were.


295 posted on 10/12/2011 10:36:38 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: SoJoCo

My crooked brother pays me as an “outside contractor,” he doesn’t take out the taxes.


296 posted on 10/13/2011 2:20:41 AM PDT by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: PghBaldy
My crooked brother pays me as an “outside contractor,” he doesn’t take out the taxes.

Then if everyone worked for a crooked brother then everyone would make out under the 9-9-9 plan.

297 posted on 10/13/2011 4:11:58 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SoJoCo

That’s good to know. (as an aside, my brother is a sociopath and has no contact with anyone in family including me-)


298 posted on 10/13/2011 8:40:10 AM PDT by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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