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GOP rallies around Boehner on deal
Politico ^ | 7/31/11 | JAKE SHERMAN & JONATHAN ALLEN

Posted on 07/31/2011 11:33:36 PM PDT by Rabin

Edited on 08/01/2011 8:38:33 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

By JAKE SHERMAN & JONATHAN ALLEN | 7/31/11 7:17 PM EDT

House Republicans praised Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and the deal he cut to avoid a national default during a rare Sunday night conference call, giving first-blush approval to a plan that must still be committed to legislation and passed by both chambers of Congress.

Now comes the hard part for the four heads of congressional caucuses: Selling the fine print. That’s the job that Boehner, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) signed up for when each gave his or her word to President Barack Obama Sunday night that the deal was in hand.

It’s complicated, multi-dimensional and full of peril for the priorities of each side — so much so that while the White House pointed to the possibility of the Bush tax cuts expiring, House Republican leaders were telling their rank and file that the deal made that scenario less likely.

It’s not “the greatest deal in the world,” Boehner told his troops.

“But it shows how much we’ve changed the terms of the debate in this town,” Boehner said on the call, according to a transcript released by the speaker’s office. “There is nothing in this framework that violates our principles. It’s all spending cuts.”

Come Monday, all eyes will be on House Republicans because they seldom jump in line without a fight.

Boehner’s lieutenants, including Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), applauded the speaker for pushing the president as far as he could while avoiding the economic and political calamity that could result from a default on the nation’s debt — which the Treasury Department has said will happen after Aug. 2 if...

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Just bad company, or cohorts in crime? Rab expects full-court-press on the "T party". (It isn't a perfect.. you have to sighn on to understand, action now - think later.)

Hustle do you think? Na...

When you have it right get set to fight.

Raben

1 posted on 07/31/2011 11:33:38 PM PDT by Rabin
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To: Rabin
PRIMARY IS A VERB!

An action word against Republicans who vote for this shite!
2 posted on 07/31/2011 11:40:05 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Rabin

Heads will roll in the primaries - again.


3 posted on 07/31/2011 11:41:08 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Rabin

GOP surrenders in the face of victory


4 posted on 07/31/2011 11:41:54 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Rabin

I think I’m the only one on FR not upset. I never thought it would or could end another way...we simply don’t have the numbers. 2012 is our chance to make a difference and we should be going after Democrats then; we need a Senate majority and a new president - that must be our focus.


5 posted on 07/31/2011 11:43:56 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: GeronL
Agreed. Any deal will be spun by the MSM to make Obama look like the hero.
6 posted on 07/31/2011 11:44:40 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: Rabin

Spin aside, what are we actually celebrating / mourning here? Aside from no one liking the deal, I’m curious how good / bad it is ?


7 posted on 07/31/2011 11:47:47 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: americanophile

We control the House.


8 posted on 07/31/2011 11:47:54 PM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: americanophile

LOL, kick the ball charlie, next time I will not move it. Always the next time.


9 posted on 07/31/2011 11:48:03 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Conservative needs to clean house in 2012


10 posted on 07/31/2011 11:48:11 PM PDT by Libertynotfree (Department of Interior & Environment)
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To: Psalm 144
We said; cut, cut, cut. But it looks like we got; spend, spend, spend. A hamburger today for payment later.

We add another trillion each year to the $14.4 trillion debt and pretend this is responsible?

Once you go off a cliff you can't stop halfway down, and the DeathCare bill that he and Nancy put in place might finish us off.

BOHIC-A!

How much of this final deal was worked out weeks ago between Obama, Boehner, McConnell, Pelosi, and Reid?

The economy is off the table until after the 2012 election and there's no commitment for a BBA. Is that about right? Fire Boehner for not stopping this.

This was never about stopping the spending. Boehner screwed up with the CR in December 2010 and he screwed up here with Boehner 2.0. They should have passed 'Cut, Cap and Balance' as many times as necessary, putting the ball in Cowboy Reid's court until he cries 'uncle.'

Boehner's Blue Pill
''The best advise I can give you all is to ignore any symptoms and ignore all the concerns from taxpayers
that will arise after taking your blue pill medication. That $14 trillion deficit is just the status quo.
So 'eat your peas,' ... and steer for the cliff!'' /sarc
11 posted on 07/31/2011 11:48:40 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Rabin

Forbidden

You don’t have permission to access /news/stories/ on this server.

Apache/2.2.6 (Fedora) Server at www.politico.com Port 80


WTF?
It’s a secret?


12 posted on 07/31/2011 11:49:17 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: TwoSwords

...I’m aware.


13 posted on 07/31/2011 11:51:01 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: Steel Wolf

The deal was better than I feared. From an objective of past standards, as opposed to what needs to be done, Boehner took Obama and Reid to the cleaners.


14 posted on 07/31/2011 11:51:14 PM PDT by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
IF THE GOP GOES ALONG WITH THIS, IT'S TIME TO FORM THE "CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF AMERICA".
15 posted on 07/31/2011 11:51:52 PM PDT by no dems (Never miss a chance to say "I love you" because you may never get the chance to say "goodbye".)
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To: org.whodat

Call it what you like, but you can’t reign in spending until you achieve entitlement reform and you can’t get there without a Senate majority and a new president. It’s really that simple.


16 posted on 07/31/2011 11:52:30 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: Loyal Sedition
try this: link
17 posted on 07/31/2011 11:55:28 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Loyal Sedition
It looks like the link is bad..

Try this one:

GOP rallies around Boehner on deal

18 posted on 07/31/2011 11:56:06 PM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: americanophile

If we control the House then we control the spending. Why do we have to negotiate anything?


19 posted on 07/31/2011 11:56:13 PM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: TwoSwords
Control of the House is 1/3 of the pie. The only other option is to shut down the government, terrify seniors, watch Wall Street go crazy, and generally serve our political heads to Obama on a silver platter - something that will result in our evisceration at the polls in 2012 and four more years of Obama with strengthened/newfound majorities. Not a winning strategy.
20 posted on 08/01/2011 12:02:00 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: Rabin

Don’t worry.

The Super Congress will cut spending. It is an even better version of the Congress we have now ... which 6 percent of America supports.


21 posted on 08/01/2011 12:02:44 AM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: Loyal Sedition

OK, got to it via a google search.
Not impressed!

Still pretending the current congress has any ability to control future congressional action!
No real assurance of a balanced budget amendment, I doubt one trillion in cuts covers the interest on the current debt.
Appears we may lose the “Reagan tax cuts”, equals a TAX INCREASE!

I saw nothing of any Fed. agencies being eliminated, none even being combined!
Where are the actual budget cuts, not just imaginative accounting tricks, real cuts?


22 posted on 08/01/2011 12:04:06 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: americanophile
Control of the House is 1/3 of the pie. The only other option is to shut down the government, terrify seniors, watch Wall Street go crazy, and generally serve our political heads to Obama on a silver platter - something that will result in our evisceration at the polls in 2012 and four more years of Obama with strengthened/newfound majorities. Not a winning strategy.

I fear what this debt ceiling affair (along with the CR charade) proves is that the GOP House isn't capable of winning any battles and actually moving the ball forward.

Consequently, it might be best if we simply go on defense and concentrate on stopping everything the President and Democrat Senate try to do.

23 posted on 08/01/2011 12:10:51 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Rabin

Worse than what we hoped for, better than what we feared. Our opponents are NOT happy with this deal. At all.

It’s not what I want at all. I won’t be satisfied until all Unconstitutional spending is eliminated. But it’s a start. It took our opponents a century to get us where we are today. We cannot expect to reverse a trend of such duration overnight.

Two steps forward, one step back. Keep up the pressure.


24 posted on 08/01/2011 12:14:12 AM PDT by sourcery (If true=false, then there would be no constraints on what is possible. Hence, the world exists.)
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To: americanophile
Control of the House is 1/3 of the pie. The only other option is to shut down the government, terrify seniors, watch Wall Street go crazy, and generally serve our political heads to Obama on a silver platter - something that will result in our evisceration at the polls in 2012 and four more years of Obama with strengthened/newfound majorities. Not a winning strategy.

IMHO, the opposite on the political fallout. If "we" "make it through" without the government crashing into the debt ceiling, obama and all Dems will be able to do their standard operating procedure of lie, lie, lie and the whole "emergency" will fade in people's minds if the Federal government can somehow "limp" through until november 2012.

If the debt ceiling is not raised, the cash runs out.

At that point - obama has to start making choices as to who to pay and who not to pay.

Not everyone can get paid. He will make a lot of people very unhappy when they don't get paid. Hence, the general public will see a collapse happen this summer and fall. They will see checks not going out, contracts being cancelled, all kinds of bad things. obama's press conferences will go from bad to terrible.

The Repubs should simply sit cool as a cucumber, shrug and smile and say - well, elections have consequences. If Repubs had the Senate and Presidency we could hack government spending down right now, this year, for the current year, and eliminate some departments AND all their corresponding regulation on citizens and business. But we can't. The President was elected, it's up to him to make the choices of who not to pay if Congress can't agree on letting the government borrow more.

It would be a bumpy ride until 2012.

But if they "limp along" without causing ma and pa public any pain, once Repubs take office in 2013 - the Government is then at 16 to 18 trillion in debt - 8 or 9 TIMES ANNUAL REVENUE. The bubble will burst on the Repubs watch after 2013. If that debt ceiling gets increased, I pity the next President. I would drop out if I was in the race. Just imagine, with all the czars, bailouts, enormous staff increases - the list goes on and on - 2013 will be the start of an unmitigated disaster. I highly doubt that anyone will buy bonds in 2013 if they buy another trillion or two now. Because the economy will still languish and tax revenue will not move up much past 2 trillion.
25 posted on 08/01/2011 12:15:36 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We need to fix things ourselves)
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To: spyone
From an objective of past standards, as opposed to what needs to be done, Boehner took Obama and Reid to the cleaners.

The point is not to take Obama, Reid and Pelosi to the cleaners, it is save the country.

Maybe next year, if there is a USA next year. You keep kicking the can down the road, and someday you run out of road.

What would the Old Pea Picker have to say about our situation?

Another day older and a deeper in debt. St. Peter don't you call me cause I owe my soul to the Chicoms now.

26 posted on 08/01/2011 12:17:08 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: okie01

Divided government allows you to stop an agenda. We’ve done that already. Reversing one, which is what everyone here wants to see, takes control of the entire government. We had our shot under Bush and blew it; we need to work on earning another in 2012. Only then can we hope to turn America around.


27 posted on 08/01/2011 12:17:21 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: americanophile
Roflol, where is the party that wants smaller government and less spending.
28 posted on 08/01/2011 12:25:26 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: no dems
no dems wrote:
IF THE GOP GOES ALONG WITH THIS, IT'S TIME TO FORM THE "CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF AMERICA".
Watch individual members, not the party.

The TEA Party caucus should vote against this. And any true conservatives should seriously consider voting against this.

In 2012, all "establishment Republicans" who go along with this need to be eliminated in the primaries.

Ballot access laws in most states are written to protect the establishment parties. I live in Florida. Charlie Crist (RINO) tried to run as an "Independent" last year. I thought he was washed up, but when I heard his radio add during the last 3 weeks before the election and he said, "Look for me on line 9 on your ballot," I knew he had no chance at all.

Until that changes, a "third party" is doomed. Better to reclaim and reform the Republican party.

Right now, from what I'm hearing about this deal, this will grow government. The "cuts" are from projected spending increases, not from current spending.

There are two major things wrong with this. First, spending in Fiscal Year 2012 and 2013 (the only two years which this Congress can actually control) will go up, not down. The second is pretending that this Congress can do anything about years after Fiscal Year 2013, it can't. On January of 2013, a new Congress will be sworn in, and that Congress can do anything, including reversing anything this Congress has done.

The status quo is going to be maintained for now:
Status Quo

29 posted on 08/01/2011 12:25:52 AM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: PieterCasparzen
No. We would get all the blame. We already fought the shutdown fight with Clinton and lost. The Obama economy is a nightmare, and this shutdown would allow him to blame his continued poor performance on the alleged uncertainty wrought by the intransigence of the GOP. Wall Street would go berserk, there could be serious consequences in the bond market, for the dollar, etc. We would get all the blame thanks to a media absolutely salivating at the chance to lift the economic millstone from around Obama’s neck. Moreover, Republicans would be blamed for every negative ramification - from delayed Social Security checks and Medicare reimbursements to closed national parks to endangering our troops and mistreating our veterans. It would be a nightmare for us and the result would be a return of Obama in 2013 with a strengthened hand. No, this had to end this way, this time around. Anything else was political suicide, and the only way we save America from bankruptcy and demise is through our political success. 2012 - keep your eye on the prize.
30 posted on 08/01/2011 12:31:58 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: americanophile

So, there would be a economical difference when we control the House, Senate and WH? The results would be smoother? The world is defined by men, not mice.


31 posted on 08/01/2011 12:32:23 AM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: PieterCasparzen
PieterCasparzen wrote:
f Repubs had the Senate and Presidency we could hack government spending down right now, this year, for the current year, and eliminate some departments AND all their corresponding regulation on citizens and business.
When has that ever happened in the past?

Republicans had the House, the Senate and the Presidency from January 2001 through December 2006. During that time, the Department of Education budget doubled. Department of Energy grew by 50%.

We need more Republicans like Custer needed more Indians.

What we need is a party dedicated to smaller federal government, limited by the Constitution. And we need that from the bottom to the top. We need city council members and county commissioners who control their spending and don't go asking their Congress Critters for "Grant money" to pay for things. The problem goes much farther than inside the beltway.

We need Republicans who will act like republicans. Repubicans who will live within the limits of the Constitution, and local and state Republicans who understand you can't pass "10th amendent resolutions" asking the Congress to respect the Constitution, and then ask for $Billions in "federal grants" for extra-constitutional "programs."

32 posted on 08/01/2011 12:34:38 AM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: org.whodat

The GOP lost its way, were working on giving it new focus. Politics is always about what is achievable. Elect the right people and in the right numbers, and we can do much.


33 posted on 08/01/2011 12:34:41 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: cc2k
Yes, all the fine speeches they made during the 2010 election telling us how the Democrats were out of control ( in which was true ) and how we needed to trust them in getting spending under control and that they were going to Washington for " THE PEOPLE " BLA BLA bla bla, it was all a lie, bait and switch so we can vote for these losers again....
This group of Republicans so called working for the people are no better than the Democrats.
Tell us ? what was the main theme and point of voting them in office in 2010 ? oh, yeah, to go to Washington for " THE PEOPLE " and get spending under control, and repeal ObamaCare in which they have not done either.... liars...
34 posted on 08/01/2011 12:35:44 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: TwoSwords

There would be a legislative difference. The world may be ruled by men, but at the moment we haven’t sufficient of them. Win in 2012.


35 posted on 08/01/2011 12:36:14 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: El Gato

There is nothing you said that I disagree with. But in my putting probabilities of what would happen on the debt deal, this wasn’t the most likely, and certainly not the worst. A default is inevitable, IMO. The mathematics are becoming more insurmountable with each passing day.


36 posted on 08/01/2011 12:37:03 AM PDT by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: Rabin

Rather than just “preach to the quire” I fired off FAXes listing my objections to each of my reps in the house and senate, TONIGHT!

My FAX will be waiting for them when they arrive in the morning.
Already printed out for their readying pleasure. ;-)


37 posted on 08/01/2011 12:48:46 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: sourcery

If true=false, then there would be no constraints on what is possible. Hence, the world exists.”

Have you been reading Leibniz again?


38 posted on 08/01/2011 1:06:03 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: GeronL

Wow, what a great deal! We went from 3-1 cuts to 1-1 and the choice is higher taxes or deep(er) cuts to the military. That’s real good negotiating.

That PUB laughing about giving Boehner a Merlot and a cigarette was truer than he thought - Boehner got scr*wed. And so did we.

Once again, PUBs have shown their inability to lead. Only 0bambi is worse; but he’ll take all the credit that the LSM gives him.


39 posted on 08/01/2011 1:07:43 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: americanophile

You’re not the only one.


40 posted on 08/01/2011 1:14:26 AM PDT by Heatseeker (Elizabeth Cheney for President)
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To: americanophile
Overall, you're right. We don't have the numbers for a full victory. Cutting the debt, versus cuts in the rate of spending increases, just aren't on the table.

So, as a tactical victory, this may pave the way for a strategic victory in 2012, when we can actually turn the tide. As it is, we just don't have the firepower to close the deal. It may be suicidally stupid, but the average American voter doens't understand the issue well enough to realize how screwed we are unless we start hacking down the debt. Grandma wants her check. The nice man promised her money during one of his fireside chats, and she intends to collect.

That mentality is too pervasive in America, and getting it under control is going to be incremental. So, if this is a step in the right direction, then let's be happy for it, and keep Obama's minions on the retreat.

41 posted on 08/01/2011 1:25:14 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: NTHockey

I just checked out that Politico link, and it was a mostly positive article for the compromise. We are so screwed. It’s killing me because I have to miss what Rush has to say about this work of art today. Get ready for radio air wave melt down!


42 posted on 08/01/2011 1:34:36 AM PDT by Nucluside (ready)
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To: Steel Wolf

What makes you think we will win in 2012? Think about it, if the GOP runs on “getting the house in order, and smaller govt.” and the dems run on “freebies for all”, who do you think the huddled masses will vote for?

The chosen one will still get 114% of the holders peoples vote, 80% of the wall jumpers vote, and probably 70% of the student loan vote.

The dems will always get the moron vote, which I figure is at least 40% overall. The GOP will always get about the same from the common sense group.

We have to depend on the 20% of the “politics, what’s politics” group. That doesn’t inspire confidence in me...


43 posted on 08/01/2011 1:51:10 AM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: Rabin

You are right that this is really a big goose egg. There were other deals to be made, even the Gang of Six plan would have been better, for now anyway.

We just need to make sure we aren’t going to be like General Lee at Gettysburg and end up with a lost cause. This problem didn’t happen over night and it likely won’t be solved that way either. In addition to that we need to figure out whether the demands being made are really the essence of solving the problem. On that point, I have my doubts because capitulation to big government, in the permanent sense of amending the constitution, isn’t going to solve the problem and that is what the BBA does.

It doesn’t solve the “why” of government spending too much, or the effects of statism on the economy because there are other ways for government to get what it wants and make everyone pay for it indirectly, even if it had some limiting effect on government itself. In my perception, that is in serious doubt because after reading the various proposed BBAs and applying them to the last 10 years, I cannot find one aspect that would have been prevented from happening. We still would have had all the bailouts, stimulus, and ObamaCare, and still be in the same place with debt and spending we are now because of 1) the wars, and 2) Democrats had a supermajority 2009-10 and could override the caps.

The reason the BBA was put up is because it supposedly adds to the credibility that our government will get its liability issues under control to avoid problems in the market for debt. It has nothing to do with restoring constitutional government, and cannot even promise that. The only way to restore constitutional govt is to do it. Like the 13th and 14th amendments overruled Dred Scott, we need to overrule Slaughterhouse and other gross distortions of the commerce clause through the New Deal Court and beyond. Once we do that, spending and statism at the Federal level will be greatly mitigated, because the “why” of spending too much will be addressed.

Short of doing that, all we will get is a bunch of cost shifting, and a bunch of stuff being done under the covers that we will end up paying for anyway.


44 posted on 08/01/2011 2:00:50 AM PDT by dajeeps
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To: BobP

We add another trillion each year to the $14.4 trillion debt and pretend this is responsible?
##

Responsible hell! They are pretending the increases are cuts.


45 posted on 08/01/2011 2:01:08 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: americanophile
It’s really that simple.

Doing nothing would have reigned in spending. It is a lame boneheaded move to buy into the default hype. This is the left's crises not the right's. Find a RINO website.

46 posted on 08/01/2011 2:08:06 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Sporke
Think about it, if the GOP runs on “getting the house in order, and smaller govt.” and the dems run on “freebies for all”, who do you think the huddled masses will vote for?

Well, we're close to the tipping point. If there's enough people left in the country that care about getting the house in order for the sake of their children and grandchildren, then we have a shot. If not, then we don't.

If we are already past the tipping point, and the parasites have a numerical lock on the government, then it doesn't really matter either way, does it?

47 posted on 08/01/2011 2:11:28 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: americanophile

It’s better that the tea party is pissed off and motivated to take scalps than democrats pissed off and motivated to take scalps.


48 posted on 08/01/2011 2:11:30 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: americanophile
There would be a legislative difference. The world may be ruled by men, but at the moment we haven’t sufficient of them. Win in 2012.

You tried troll, now go back to your congressional cave and report to you RINO masters, FREEPERS aren't buying your turd sandwich. Your carping needs to end.

49 posted on 08/01/2011 2:12:35 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: americanophile; Cowboy Bob

You’re both correct IMO but this forum is inundated by a gang of “my way or the highway” folks who seemingly have lost the ability of cognitive thinking.

AS outlined the plan STOPS growth of government and SHRINKS it by 100 billion per year immediately with mechanisms in place for a further 14 billion per year in cuts by years end. We will have to see the details of what cuts will be made by the trigger if the comm. cannot reach agreement.

One very important and overlooked aspect of this whole thing is that the public has now become glaringly familiar with the huge spending problem in Washington. And since more and more spending is the only way the liberals can get elected it presents for them a serious issue which they will have a difficult time explaining away as they continue to attempt to buy votes.


50 posted on 08/01/2011 2:13:53 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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