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The Past Is Not Quite Past [Victor Davis Hanson on Japan in 1941, Russia now, and more]
pajamasmedia.com ^ | September 26, 2009 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 09/29/2009 10:07:48 AM PDT by Tolik

War II Thoughts

We can learn a lot about our present dilemmas through looking at the past. This month I’m teaching an intensive class on World War II, and again reminded how history is never really history. One lesson: do not judge past decisions by present considerations or post facto wisdom from a Western point of view, but understand them given the knowledge and thinking of the times from an enemy perspective.

We ridicule the disastrous Japanese decision to go to war against the American colossus on December 7, 1941. But that correct analysis enjoys the benefit of hindsight, and does not explain why rather intelligent militarists for some reason believed that they could win, or at least within six months of aggrandizement obtain a truce. That they could not, and destroyed their country in the bargain, is not the point.  Nor is “fanaticism” a completely adequate exegesis for Pearl Harbor; logic of a sort is.

 

Why Did Japan Attack (or Rather Why Not?)?

Let us count the ways: 1) The US had not intervened in Europe, despite over two years of seeing Nazi Germany overrun its democratic allies in Western Europe and blitz London. The Japanese were convinced that we simply could not be provoked, or did not have it in us to fight for long under any circumstances;

2) It had just signed a non-aggression  neutrality pact with Russia (tit-for-tat payback to Hitler’s earlier perfidy). That April 1941 deal ensured there would not again be a bloody August, 1939-like border war in which thousands of Japanese (50,000?) perished. So Japan would now have a one-front war against the U.S. and Britain; but the latter would have a two-front war against Germany (and Italy) and Japan;

3) The Japanese coveted oil, rubber, tin, rice, and other strategic commodities. And now the Dutch East Indies were without their colonial masters after the fall of Western Europe. Vichy France was compliant in Southeast Asia. In other words, a world of raw materials was at last at Japan’s doorstep, much of modern-day Malaysia, Indonesia and Southeast Asia, ready for the taking if it had a convenient short war. Britain was tied down in North Africa (soon to lose Tobruk), and Burma and then India were also ripe for the picking;

4) By late November 1941 Germany was at the gates of Moscow, Leningrad was cut off; the Crimea was to fall. German U-boats were reaching records in destroying British convoys. Not only would Hitler certainly win the European war, but there was a good chance that the Japanese might meet him either through Suez or in the Persian Gulf. And why fight Russia, when soon Russia would be no more?

5) The Chinese front was mostly quiet, long-term occupation either run by puppet governments or made easier by Nationalist-communist rivalries;

6) The U.S. was still in a depression, its industry under-utilized and its military infrastructure largely embryonic. It had a bad habit of lecturing Japan, embargoing Japan, but not proving to Japan that it had the force to deter Japan and the willingness to enforce its edicts;

Almost all six calculations within a few months (say after the pivotal Midway and Guadalcanal battles) proved flawed. But that again is not the lesson. At the time, the Japanese, being aggressive militarists, drew logical conclusions about their self-interests, which only in hindsight seem preposterous, and largely because of the phenomenal, but easily unforeseen response of the United States.

 

And Today?

We should remember the past these last few weeks as we watch U.S. foreign policy turned topsy-turvy.

Consider Obama’s outreach to Russia. He assumes Bush gratuitously polarized Russia, a state that otherwise had few post-Cold War preexisting problems with the U.S., despite its oil wealth, autocratic government, policy of serially assassinating dissidents at home and abroad, and loss of face with the breakup of the former Soviet republics. So we blamed Bush with the monotonous “reset” refrain.  Then we threw the eastern Europeans under the bus with the vague “we have a better mobile missile system anyway” defense. Then we claimed a thankful Putin will appreciate such magnanimity and help on Iran.

Thinking like a Russian

But we are looking at all this from our postmodern eyes. Try, as in the case of 1941 Japan, seeing it from theirs.  Bush’s friends are now America’s expendables—whether a Poland, Israel, Honduras, Columbia, or Iraq’s Maliki. Bush’s enemies are now its friends or neutrals—suggesting that Obama agrees that to be angry with America, as Russia was, was once understandable, and during 2001-9 to be friendly with it logically suspect. All the past Russian sins from assassination to oil leveraging of Europe are now washed away as “Bush did it.”

So Putin starts off with the idea that his past trouble-making was understandable in Obama’s eyes, given they share a Bush antipathy. And given Obama’s UN speech that the powerful not only will not, but cannot dominate the weak, the Russians must smile  “But why not?” or better, “Pray God, that this naïf really believes this!” (The UN, remember, cannot even enforce a 15 minute limit for the crazy Gaddafi who rambled for 90 minutes without a single, “Stop!”)

Win/win/win

So what will stop Russian aggrandizement, bullying, or even reincorporation of former republics? Only their own notion of self-interest, dangers, and cost to benefit analysis. It surely is not regional military deterrence. Most states in the way like Georgia or Latvia are small and weak. And Eastern Europe is essentially defenseless. NATO is toothless and would only be embarrassed if it  promised guarantees of Article V protection to a Ukraine, since no Belgian or Italian would be willing to die for Kiev. The UN is not only irrelevant, but even more irrelevant the more Obama praises its human rights council, and chest-thumps about its importance. And the U.S? Well, well.

We are desperate to court Russia. But nothing they have done with Iran had anything to do with Bush, but everything to do with the idea that whatever is bad for the U.S. is good for an ascendant Russia.

Here’s what the Asia Times quotes a Russian expert  about our recent courtship, “An influential voice in the Russian strategic community, Sergei Karaganov, head of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, forewarned not to expect anything very much. ‘The US, of course, has a right to hope for various compromises on this issue, but I do not think Russia will make them. We are not interested in spoiling relations with the rising power of the region [meaning Iran]. Breakthroughs cannot be expected yet,’ he said.”

And here’s what the Asia Times quotes of those administration hopes, “A delighted Michael McFaul, the White House’s senior advisor on Russia, trumpeted, ‘We’re at a different place in US-Russia relations.‘”

In other words, we think Russia in the past was offended by Bush, unfairly ostracized, and simply needed rapprochement to reenter the family of nations as a good actor, and now we have a different, and much better relationship.

But the notion of not spoiling “relations with the rising power of the region” seems better to explain why Putin would sell reactor materials to a Holocaust-denying nut intent on getting a bomb. It may be that in the Russian view, now that an unpredictable Bush is gone, things are looking up.

Consider Russian calculation: A nuclear Iran causes the U.S. all sorts of headaches, along with its Sunni Arab allies. There is money to be made in arms and nuclear sales. Nuclear Iran–or the efforts to stop it– will cause havoc in the oil-exporting region, and such uncertainty can only help raise the price of oil for what is now the world’s largest oil exporter (7.4 million Putin barrels sold per day abroad).

In other words, Iran is a win/win/win deal for a Russian dictatorship, always was and probably will be. We wonder why is Putin causing trouble, or why did Bush offend him? The only proper question is why not cause trouble without much risk if you’re an ex-KGB thug?

Trouble means lucrative trade, with rogue oil states that want to buy blow ‘em up stuff from Russia.

Trouble shuts up the self-important, moralizing Western Europeans.

Trouble sends a message to former subjects.

Trouble means the U.S. is tied down with a nuclear power threatening Israel and the pro-US Arabs.

Trouble means billions of dollars in new oil profits as global prices soar.

Trouble means showing the world’s onlookers that the Obama hope and change rhetoric is a good way to get yourself in a lot of trouble, and reminds others that Russia is a dependable if not thuggish regime to have on your side. (When the Wehrmacht approached Moscow in late 1941, “civilized” European neutrals like Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Spain and Portugal all started to horse-trade with the sure winner Hitler, angling for trade, cash, borderland, the clearing of old grudges, etc—without a whit of care that he was killing millions of Russian civilians and murdering on sight the Jews of Poland and the Ukraine.[By late 1944 these same “civilized” states were damning Hitler and now angling with the allies]). So yes, the past is helpful.

Footnote on World War II

There are plenty of inexplicable things about WWII, especially the Pacific “second” theater. If one were to examine in depth the First Marine Division, it is almost inexplicable that a mere few months after Pearl Harbor it could go head-to-head with battle-hardened Japanese brigades in Guadalcanal, without adequate air and naval support, and beat the Japanese on their own turf. Where did such men come from? For the answer about the Old Breed, read E.B. Sledge.

And where in just a few months, by say late 1943, did all these brilliant designs and new planes come from? The Hellcat, Corsair, Helldiver, Lightning, etc., that were not just as good as Japanese head-start models, but suddenly far better? How did an American aeronautical industry, without wartime experience, design and produce the world’s best fighters (cf. the Thunderbolt and Mustang) in less than 30 months? And more amazingly, how does a peacetime country in a little over two years begin to produce hundreds of B-29s and an entire fleet of Essex carriers ex nihilo? It’s quite inexplicable. Each time I restudy the Pacific theater it become even more mysterious, absolutely inexplicable. I wish only that Obama had not spent his Sundays lapping up liberation theology from Rev. Wright but had read instead With the Old Breed, Guadalcanal Diary, or Goodbye, Darkness to understand why his country is what it is, and why it ensures him such a forum of respect and influence.

 

Footnote on Guantanamo

Now that Obama’s has apparently broken his promise and won’t close Guantanamo within the year, a kindergarten question arises: did he think Bush/Cheney dreamed up a Stalag to torture people and win them leftwing hysteria?

Is it just possible that after 9/11 they quickly learned there were no good choices in dealing with the epigones of Mohammed Atta—they were neither criminals to be tried nor soldiers in uniform to be accorded the Geneva protections (as Eric Holder once himself chest-thumped)? In such a nether world, Guantanamo was always a bad choice among worse alternatives. That is proven by Obama’s failed nine-month long quest to dream up something better. Now that Guantanamo has no more campaign value, Obama apparently has thrown the old Close the Gulag under the bus too.

Yet Obama did a lot of damage in the meantime, demagoguing the facility and besmirching the careful work of those who must guard the sort of people who, as we saw the last week in the U.S., are trying to kill us.


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1 posted on 09/29/2009 10:07:50 AM PDT by Tolik
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Victor Davis Hanson:

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On Shearing Sheep (relentless hostility to small business)
The War Against the Producers
A Thug’s Primer - How to win liberal friends and oppress your people
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2 posted on 09/29/2009 10:08:19 AM PDT by Tolik (my photos from the TeaParty: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2340411/posts)
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3 posted on 09/29/2009 10:09:35 AM PDT by Tolik (my photos from the TeaParty: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2340411/posts)
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Gee, I dunno, Vic. If the Russians are willing "sell reactor materials to a Holocaust-denying nut intent on getting a bomb" who is practically in their front yard--they're not any more realistic than the psychotic U.S. Left.
4 posted on 09/29/2009 10:38:26 AM PDT by Savage Beast (29% of Americans think news organizations get the facts correct? No wonder we're in such a mess!)
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To: Savage Beast

It’s possible that both Russia and Iran think about the other as a useful idiot.

But there is another reality in play: Iran knows very well, that if they ever do something aggressive against Russia, that Russia will have no qualms to bomb the hell out of them. They certainly can and have no Western restrains.


5 posted on 09/29/2009 10:44:11 AM PDT by Tolik (my photos from the TeaParty: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2340411/posts)
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To: Tolik
The Iranians also know--as do the Arab nations--not to mention the Chinese--that the Russian population is declining so fast that within decades all that real estate and all those natural resources will be ripe for the pickin', so all they have to do is wait--and jostle with the other wolves for the best vantage point from which to move in and take over--when the time is right--which won't be long.

Surely the Russians know this.

6 posted on 09/29/2009 10:59:01 AM PDT by Savage Beast (29% of Americans think news organizations get the facts correct? No wonder we're in such a mess!)
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To: Tolik

My forecast: WAR IS COMING.

Russia wants her empire back. If they sold nukes to Iran or Al Quaeda and America was attacked, would Obama retaliate against Russia? IMHO, hell no.

If the Chicoms invade Taiwan, would Obama lift a finger to repel them? Maybe he would cry and stomp his feet.

The next 3 years are the golden opportunity for our enemies including Al Quaeda, Iran, Russia, and China to weaken America and take what they want.

Its 1941 and we have Neville Chamberlain in for quarterback.


7 posted on 09/29/2009 11:07:35 AM PDT by darth
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To: Tolik
Quite timely!

EU expects Russia-Georgia war report to blame both

This AP story is obvious drivel. The Georgians need the recipe for explosively formed penetrators, and they need shoulder fired, surface to air missiles.

8 posted on 09/29/2009 11:13:08 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Savage Beast

Actually, demographic outlook is not nearly as bad as it was in pre-Putin years.


9 posted on 09/29/2009 11:16:54 AM PDT by RolandOfGilead
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To: darth

It’s 1985 - Obama is Tony Eason - and the Russians are Ditka’s Bears! Oh no!


10 posted on 09/29/2009 11:20:43 AM PDT by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: Tolik
But there is another reality in play: Iran knows very well, that if they ever do something aggressive against Russia, that Russia will have no qualms to bomb the hell out of them. They certainly can and have no Western restrains.

Bingo.

11 posted on 09/29/2009 11:27:09 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: karnage
It’s 1985 - Obama is Tony Eason - and the Russians are Ditka’s Bears! Oh no!

Does that mean Biden is Steve Grogan?

12 posted on 09/29/2009 11:28:36 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Savage Beast
Gee, I dunno, Vic. If the Russians are willing "sell reactor materials to a Holocaust-denying nut intent on getting a bomb" who is practically in their front yard--they're not any more realistic than the psychotic U.S. Left.

Disagree. Russia deals in raw power, and Iran knows it. Hanson correctly points out that Russia can realize immense profits from oil, if Iran becomes a regional problem; and they will not hesitate to flatten Iran (or at least attempt to do so) should Iran pose a direct threat to them.

From the Russian perspective, there's a good medium-to-long term bargain to be made with Iran.

13 posted on 09/29/2009 11:45:45 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Tolik
No matter if you believe this or not, he is 100% correct in his assessment.
14 posted on 09/29/2009 12:06:30 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Leyte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: mainepatsfan

Yep!


15 posted on 09/29/2009 12:28:10 PM PDT by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: Savage Beast

What you are talking about is a possible future. In the mean time Russia can earn quite a lot from oil money if Iran’s oil becomes stranded, or even better for them, if the whole region goes hot.

Besides, it’s not like Russia/USSR never miscalculated. Remember their Afghanistan adventure? Or that Stalin was planning to strike Hitler first and stubbornly did not believe all intelligence reports about June 22nd?

Yes, Russia is playing with fire, but they think they can handle it. What is more puzzling to me is why China is not on our side here. They have no oil to benefit from higher oil prices, only the opposite. And while it might be nice for them to see us struggle, they are so deeply in bed with us economically that it’s hard to say who is hurting more by our economic problems - us or them. They need money to run their military machine, and money are earned selling stuff to us. Chinese have shown to be more pragmatic than Russians. Stick it to us is not pragmatic, and in the long run does not help their march to superpower.


16 posted on 09/29/2009 12:38:27 PM PDT by Tolik (my photos from the TeaParty: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2340411/posts)
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To: darth

My forecast: WAR IS COMING.

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Mine too. VDH seems to leap from the Peloponesian wars to WWII, for his historical references. I keep waiting for a historian to start making the comparisons to the world as it was in the 19 oughts. The 1890s years of glamour and gayety, were followed by the uprising of workers (exploited as always by other men who saw useful idiots) in many countries. Entrenched governments did not see the power of that movement until the Western world changed forever in 1914.

I am not enough of a scholar to make the pinpoint comparisons, I just have a sense that we are repeating the head-in-the-sand behavior of the governments at the beginning of the twentieth century.


17 posted on 09/29/2009 1:28:20 PM PDT by maica (Freedom consists not in doing what we like,but in having the right to do what we ought. John Paul II)
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18 posted on 09/29/2009 2:26:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Tolik

VDH omits a fact of MAJOR significance - the U.S embargo on Japan, especially of petroleum. And Roosevelt’s price for lifting same. Japanese withdrawal from China.

The Japanese Navy had less than 90 days of oil reserves by the time of Pearl Harbor. The only available source was Indonesia, so long as FDR kept up the embargo. Japan had shed a great deal of blood and treasure [from their point of view] in China, and walking away when they had never lost a battle with the Chinese [and they never would] was unthinkable to them.

But to seize the Indonesian oil would bring on war with [at a minimum] the Dutch, and their Allies, the British Commonwealth. The U.S was a wild card, but from the Japanese point of view, the U.S was a hostile power [see: embargo]. Pearl Harbor was the logical conclusion.


19 posted on 09/29/2009 2:41:59 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Savage Beast
Excellent point, but not so different than the wild-eyed lefties parading about Greenwich Village almost eight years ago this month protesting against any U.S. military response while the World Trade Towers were still smoldering just a few blocks away.
20 posted on 09/29/2009 3:55:00 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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