Posted on 07/22/2009 8:30:14 PM PDT by RobinMasters
The announcements of Barack Obama's birth printed by two Hawaii newspapers in 1961 do not provide solid proof of a birth in the Aloha State because of uncertainties over the policies and procedures that apparently were being used at the time.
The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, for example, according to its website, now reprints birth information it receives from Hawaii's Department of Health.
"We don't have an editor who handles birth and marriage announcements; we print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System," a Star-Bulletin newsroom operator explained to WND.
The operator said, "This is how we've always done it."
The newspaper's "proof" of birth, therefore, could be based on a state-issued "Certification of Live Birth" which, as WND has reported is insufficient alone, even for some State Department officials, to document the birthplace.
Many people remain unaware a child does not even have to be born in Hawaii to receive a Certification of Live Birth, the very "evidence" the White House has cited in defending its assertion Obama was born in Hawaii.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
There are four lists.
Hawaii issued birth certificates to children born outside the country when entering the country with an American parent at the time. When the certificate was issued the newspapers would have made the announcement - regardless if he was actually born in the US.
Point being if he was not actually physically born in Hawaii he would not be “natural born” under his parental circumstances as required by the US constitution. So far no evidence has been provided to document that he was actually physically born in Hawaii. That is Fact.
After over a dozen lawsuits, you would think he would just show his birth certificate and be done with it....I cannot think a good reason why Obama would not show his birth certificate unless he is hiding something significant.
The 2 most prominent theories seem to be:
1) Is not a natural born citizen...was really born in Kenya or ?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2114302/posts
2) Real father is Frank Marshall Davis? Communist pedophile.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2113086/posts
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=frank+marshall+davis+is+Obama%27s+real+father+Ann
theory is all over the net.
http://www.hawaii.edu/uhwo/clear/HonoluluRecord1/Frankvideo.html
agreed ears, nose, mouth, forehead, teeth, cheeks, resemblance is there...harder to find with Kenyans
pulls a lot of pieces together, why Obama will not produce his birth certificate in court, why his grandparents encouraged him to spend so much time with Frank reading poetry?
“One chapter concerns the seduction by Mr Davis and his first wife of a 13-year-old girl called Anne....”
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/
In Obama’s own book, Dreams From My Father. He writes about “a poet named Frank,” who visited them in Hawaii, read poetry, and was full of “hard-earned knowledge” and advice.
it is really strange that after over a dozen lawsuits that he wouldn’t just show the birth certificate and be done with it all.....unless...
Run along little girl.
One of the real legal questions is whether he lost his “natural born citizen” designation with foreign citizenship...thus having multiple allegiances.
He also probably played the system to get foreign aid for school...that is why he is trying so hard to keep it all quiet.
Eventually this will all come out and most likely they broke laws while covering this up and that is where we will nail them.
The birth announcement came very soon after the birth. Still, there has to be something being hidden. It’s just that the American people haven’t a clue and don’t want to know the truth.
I wonder if people in Victoria, TX, feel the same way as Jim.
This newspaper information was made public months after the people who lived at the address given for Obama’s birth announcement died. The Obama’s never owned the house at the address given. The people that lived at that address did so from before Obama was born until they died. None of the neighbors ever recall a black kid living there. The actual people that lived their can't be asked. They are dead (no I'm not suggesting they were killed). But it is a convenient address.
How does one explain that?
The long form BC must have something he really really doesn't want us to see, which is all the more reason to insist upon its release.
I don’t buy ‘the real father as Frank Marshall Davis’ theory, although admittedly I haven’t read much about it.
My bet is that Obama does not have a long form birth certificate(for whatever reason) and that he has gone to college on foreign visas. I don’t believe he was ever eligible to be President because of his father’s nationality anyway. Now we have a forged and fraudulent document(the BC released to his accomplices) that has been criminally put forward and ten of millions of dollars spent to fight releasing any of his records. At the very least, Obama is hiding something simple...like if he releases the info his stupid book will be proven to be a pack of lies to the very worse...the real possibility of him being born in Kenya and never a US citizen or natural born to begin with.
Bottom line...Obama is hiding something or else he would put this to bed and release his long form BC.
I was not born in a hospital. My birth was registered almost three months after I was born.
My long form B.C. is stamped "DELAY".
I could have been born anywhere. In my case a doctor signed in the spot for attendant (doctor, midwife, other).
What if "other" signed it? E.g., a friend willing to lie that I was born in that state. Though I believe that a baby still has to have a health examination by a doctor before registration but a doctor does not need to be the "attendant."
Almost three months after I was born the announcement would then be printed in the local paper based upon the state's Vital Statistics.
The issue is what is the basis of the birth announcement. If it was just automatic based on the issuance of the COLB, then the question of whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not has not been answered. Hawaii issued COLB’s for people born outside the state.
hhhmmm Is it’s as reliable as the foreign articles that we found this week that says: “BHO II was born in Nyang’oma Kogelo now in Kenya.” ?
“His mother had been outside the country too long to qualify her son to be a citizen automatically”
I had not heard that you lost your ability to pass on citizenship by living outside the US above a specified period of time. Can you point me to a link on that rule? Nothing on the State Department website that I ran across says that.
Per the State Department:
“Under the Child Citizenship Act, the U.S. citizen parent of a child living abroad must have five years of physical presence in the United States or its outlying possessions with at least two years occurring after age 14, in order to apply for citizenship on behalf of the child.”
It says five years with at least two after age 14 but it says nothing about losing your ability to pass it on beyond that.
Until a commercial is made of a dozen or so foreign born Americans holding up their “certificates of live birth” issued by the state of Hawaii, many people will just not understand what is being argued...
The date of publication was Sunday, August 13, 1961. If Barack H. Obama was born outside the U.S. it would have been necessary for his family to fly back to Hawaii within one week of his birth and file for the birth certificate no later than Friday, August 11, 1961 in order to be recorded and published on Sunday.
I find it quite unlikely that a mother her baby would embark on a transoceanic flight less than one week after birth. It’s not like crossing the border from Juarez.
Grandma was a “typical white grandmother” who placed it in the paper, so her friends would know that her young daughter who found herself pregnant would know she was married. No doubt she sent it to friends and relatives in the birth announcement as was the custom back then.
The neighbors did not remember the Obamas living in the “upscale” neighborhood.
Wouldn't a 1961 phone book help clear this up to confirm the Obama momma lived at that address?
And, couldn't they get a document that conformed the physician delivering the baby.
F-I-S-H-Y
Could have been the grandmother who sent the "announcement" to the newspaper.
Newspapers at the time probably published "news" of births as a service for proud parents and grandparents, NQA.
Perhaps the grandmother thought that by getting this in the newspaper, she could "create a record" for an otherwise, out-of-a-hospital, out-of-the-country, or out-of-wedlock birth. The thought that her grandchild might someday be president, did not cross her mind.
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