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TODAY: Rev. Rick Warren puts Obama, McCain on the same stage (LIVE thread)
The Seattle Times ^ | 8/16/08 | Duke Helfand

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7

LAKE FOREST, Calif. — When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.

He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book — "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" — puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.

But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.

Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.

"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."

Warren personally invited the two candidates — "friends of mine" — via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.

It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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To: icwhatudo

CNN also giving McCain high marks. Saying McCain “clear, on target, direct” Obama-”Halting, intellectual,muddled”


1,361 posted on 08/16/2008 7:03:25 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: All
Barney Fwank's sister, Ann, is gamely trying to make lemonade out of Obama's laying a big egg.

Leni

1,362 posted on 08/16/2008 7:03:38 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Stay Home in Nov & Vote for Obama-ization, More Regulation, Taxation, Litigation and Ginsburgization)
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To: Shortstop7; Guenevere

No she is worried about the AMNESTY Bill ans the illegal alien lovin that Mccain still does...

We all are...


1,363 posted on 08/16/2008 7:03:42 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: TornadoAlley3
Obama was just "different" he talked a lot he was likeable and smart but McCain was decisive.

For conservatives I think the Supreme Court question alone settles it all, and then McCain's powerful performance was a huge bonus.

1,364 posted on 08/16/2008 7:03:47 PM PDT by Williams
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To: pgkdan
Ann Lewis on her panel.

Does she have marbles in mouth?

I know she has them for brains

1,365 posted on 08/16/2008 7:03:49 PM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Obama will not do any debates after this, he will say no time, he needs to be on the road campaigning.
1,366 posted on 08/16/2008 7:04:07 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ('GOP' : Get Our Petroleum)
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To: TakeChargeBob
McCain was not my first choice by far. However, there is no rationale that I can think of that we can not choose McCain over Obama.

Amen!

1,367 posted on 08/16/2008 7:04:11 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Kill 'em til they're dead, then kill 'em again!)
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To: Son House
McCain: “doesn’t matter what my definition of rich is, I don’t want to raise any ones taxes”

BOOM!! GRANDSLAM!!!

1,368 posted on 08/16/2008 7:04:19 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Velveeta
sending emails to McCain requesting a Duncan Hunter presence in his administration

..an excellent idea...

1,369 posted on 08/16/2008 7:04:39 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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Shame is this wonderful performance by McCain is playing opposite the Olympics so the audience is small. Oh, well.

The fact is, this IS McCain. He has always been this good. It’s just that people are finally letting go of the narrative they’ve built around the ‘mavarick’ media persona, you know the one that had McCain stabbing pubbies in the back, while sidling up to democrats.

Let’s remember, his lifetime ACU rating is 83, putting him squarely in the conservative corner.


1,370 posted on 08/16/2008 7:04:56 PM PDT by aligncare
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To: icwhatudo

Obama was giving the intelectual answers ala the “what would you do if someone raped your wife” which was asked during a presidential debate of the past.

Obaba was paralysis of analysis.


1,371 posted on 08/16/2008 7:04:56 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: HonestConservative
Charles Krauthammer thought this was the best debate he's ever seen because of the format. Both candidates were asked the same exact questions in the same environment.
1,372 posted on 08/16/2008 7:05:11 PM PDT by McGruff (Kick Russia out of the G8, Kick them Now!)
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To: Shortstop7
No....I prefer Alan Keyes.

He has not tried to give away our sovereignty by ignoring the rule of law...

..he is not seeking to gain La Raza's attention...

..he is consistently, passionately pro-life.

I have been a Republican for over 30 years.

This year I vote Independent.

1,373 posted on 08/16/2008 7:05:21 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: AmericaUnited

Krauthammer just said that Obama answered in a post-modern, discursive, professorial style. McCain answered like a fighter pilot - direct, often not even waiting for the question to be completed.


1,374 posted on 08/16/2008 7:05:37 PM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: KavMan; All

Feel the jealousy, seek the knowledge, choke on the cluelessness...

Via DU link you posted, poster complete with a O ‘08 thingie:

He trots out POW sob stories when he’s cornered.

It shows he’s weak.

(shakes head)

Who’s in for a ticket to Moscow for that poster?


1,375 posted on 08/16/2008 7:05:37 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Principalities work through personalities.Commies cast out only by prayer and fasting.)
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To: All

Any good polls out there for this event?


1,376 posted on 08/16/2008 7:05:44 PM PDT by msnpatriot
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To: comebacknewt

Krautheimer...my favorite..is hailing McCain’s performance.


1,377 posted on 08/16/2008 7:05:59 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: Guenevere

Bottom line time

~~~~

You have choice: Snowobama or McCain, and all you know about each.

Whom do you chose?

Or do you plan on refraining from voting ?


1,378 posted on 08/16/2008 7:06:20 PM PDT by STARWISE ((They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Obama will not do any debates after this, he will say no time, he needs to be on the road campaigning.
________________________________________

He better be in Nashville in October

I’m going...


1,379 posted on 08/16/2008 7:06:22 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: STARWISE

Could be... I saw it from the start. It must have been the Dynamic, self assured, knowledgeable, tempered answers J.M. gave versus the limp, unsure, ill informed pablum the messiah spewed...


1,380 posted on 08/16/2008 7:06:26 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Obama: The Hype and Chains candidate)
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