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Ancient fossil forest found by accident (potential major out of order problem for Darwinists)
news@nature.com (via BioEd online) ^ | April 23, 2007 | Katharine Sanderson

Posted on 07/30/2007 2:01:00 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Geologists have found the remains of a huge underground rainforest hidden in a coal mine in Illinois. The fossil forest, buried by an earthquake 300 million years ago, contains giant versions of several plant types alive today.

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Also surprising is the presence of remains from mangrove-like plants. "It was always assumed that mangrove plants had evolved fairly recently," says Falcon-Lang.

(Excerpt) Read more at bioedonline.org ...


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KEYWORDS: ancient; catastrophism; coal; crevo; crevolist; forrest; fossil; godsgravesglyphs
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As one creationist quipped:

"Is this a 'mangrove-like' plant or a true mangrove? If the latter, it sounds like a big out-of-order problem for evolution, because mangroves were not supposed to appear till the late Cretaceous (source) and these forests are Carboniferous, over 200 million years earlier. That would be a bigger problem than finding a living dinosaur...We’ll have to see if more of the details come to light...This story also illustrates, as seen so often before, that wherever evolutionists look, they find more complexity farther back in time than they expect."

http://creationsafaris.com/crev200704.htm#20070423a

1 posted on 07/30/2007 2:01:04 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Must have been one hell of an earthquake!


2 posted on 07/30/2007 2:03:39 PM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: DaveLoneRanger; SirLinksalot; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; ...

ping


3 posted on 07/30/2007 2:03:47 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

don’t underestimate the evolutionist’s ability to change the theory to avoid falsification.


4 posted on 07/30/2007 2:04:48 PM PDT by ari-freedom (An expert is a person who avoids the small errors while sweeping on to the grand fallacy.)
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To: ari-freedom

lol!


5 posted on 07/30/2007 2:05:17 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

How is this possible, we all know there is no Rain Forest in Illinois. And after all it is scientific consensus that the Earth’s climate has never changed. I smell a Bush trick.


6 posted on 07/30/2007 2:06:40 PM PDT by jbwbubba
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To: GodGunsGuts

Title smells of bait.


7 posted on 07/30/2007 2:07:16 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
300 million years -- sounds like another nail in the coffin of young earth creationism.

And more complexity in the distant past is no problem; evolution works from simple to complex or from complex to simple. It is only the strawman version creationists peddle that says everything always has to increase in complexity.

All in all, another science article that supports evolution being pushed by creationists for some reason.

8 posted on 07/30/2007 2:07:57 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: ari-freedom

Evolution exists because God created it.


9 posted on 07/30/2007 2:08:47 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: GodGunsGuts

Nothing there that is a problem for evolution.


10 posted on 07/30/2007 2:08:54 PM PDT by Caledonia2007
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To: ari-freedom; All
Picture of one of the fossils:

"Detail of a pteridosperm, an extinct seed-producing fern-like plant. Width across image about six centimeters. (Credit: Dr. Howard Falcon-Lang)"

11 posted on 07/30/2007 2:09:23 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Woo Hoo! Darwinists are “deeply saddened!”


12 posted on 07/30/2007 2:09:37 PM PDT by balch3
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To: GodGunsGuts

I don’t see any problem here. Current theories posit periods of explosive diversification when conditions are favorable, in between periods of mass extinctions when conditions get harsh. The survivors of those periods then go on to be the basis for the next big burst of diversity. In fact, we’re in a rather dormant period of development, I believe, because we’re just emerging from an Ice Age. When it gets warmer (as it inevitably does) we’ll see another period of rapid diversification.


13 posted on 07/30/2007 2:10:12 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (It's never a good time to get sucked into an evil vortex.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’m totally confused here......the Creationists are revelling in the fact that this find throws a “monkey-wrench” into the complexities of Evolutionist theory YET at the same time they’re acknowledging that this fossilized forest is millions of years old. I always thought diehard creationists would only admit that the Earth is 7,000 years old and thats it (or something like that). It seems to me that it’s just one more piece to a impossible puzzle that no one can totally figure out.


14 posted on 07/30/2007 2:10:12 PM PDT by brent1a (You're a great American! NO, YOU'RE A GREAT AMERICAN!!!!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’m totally confused here......the Creationists are revelling in the fact that this find throws a “monkey-wrench” into the complexities of Evolutionist theory YET at the same time they’re acknowledging that this fossilized forest is millions of years old. I always thought diehard creationists would only admit that the Earth is 7,000 years old and thats it (or something like that). It seems to me that it’s just one more piece to a impossible puzzle that no one can totally figure out.


15 posted on 07/30/2007 2:10:15 PM PDT by brent1a (You're a great American! NO, YOU'RE A GREAT AMERICAN!!!!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

This isn’t a problem for evolution. I’m not sure what warrants the bait title.


16 posted on 07/30/2007 2:10:44 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: GodGunsGuts

Dinosaur fossils are often found in coal mines. If, as creationists contend, humans coexisted with dinosaurs then why aren’t human fossils ever found in coal mines?

This mangrove discovery isn’t a big problem for evolution. Its one plant fossil of something that resembles a mangrove. Thats hardly enough to destroy evolution.


17 posted on 07/30/2007 2:11:18 PM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pidgeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: brent1a

don’t even bother asking questions, it will get you nowhere


18 posted on 07/30/2007 2:12:17 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: ari-freedom

Don’t underestimate creationists ability to grasp the tiniest bit of unsubstantiated evidence as proof that evolutionary theory is wrong.


19 posted on 07/30/2007 2:13:13 PM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Posting stuff from April?


20 posted on 07/30/2007 2:15:07 PM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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