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Army dismisses gay soldier 'outed' by e-mail
AP ^ | 7/27/6 | DUNCAN MANSFIELD

Posted on 07/27/2006 7:39:00 AM PDT by SmithL

JOHNSON CITY, Tenn. (AP) - A decorated sergeant and Arabic language specialist was dismissed from the U.S. Army under the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, though he says he never admitted being gay and his accuser was never identified.

Bleu Copas, 30, told The Associated Press he is gay, but said he was "outed" by a stream of anonymous e-mails to his superiors in the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, N.C.

"I knew the policy going in," Copas said in an interview on the campus of East Tennessee State University, where he is pursuing a master's degree in counseling and working as a student adviser. "I knew it was going to be difficult."

An eight-month Army investigation culminated in Copas' honorable discharge on Jan. 30 _ less than four years after he enlisted, he said, out of a post-Sept. 11 sense of duty to his country.

Copas now carries the discharge papers, which mention his awards and citations, so he can document his military service for prospective employers. But the papers also give the reason for his dismissal.

He plans to appeal to the Army Board for Correction of Military Records.

The "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, established in 1993, prohibits the military from inquiring about the sex lives of service members, but requires discharges of those who openly acknowledge being gay.

The policy is becoming "a very effective weapon of vengeance in the armed forces" said Steve Ralls, a spokesman for the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, a Washington-based watchdog organization that counseled Copas and is working to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

Copas said he was never open about his sexuality in the military and suspects his accuser was someone he mistakenly befriended and apparently slighted.

More than 11,000 service members have been dismissed under the policy, including 726 last year _ an 11 percent jump from 2004 and the first increase since 2001.

That's less than a half-percent of the more than 2 million soldiers, sailors and Marines dismissed for all reasons since 1993, according to the General Accountability Office.

But the GAO also noted that nearly 800 dismissed gay or lesbian service members had critical abilities, including 300 with important language skills. Fifty-five were proficient in Arabic, including Copas, a graduate of the Defense Language Institute in California.

Discharging and replacing them has cost the Pentagon nearly $369 million, according to the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

Lt. Col. James Zellmer, Copas' commanding officer in the 313th military intelligence battalion, told the AP that "the evidence clearly indicated that Sgt. Copas had engaged in homosexual acts."

While investigators were never able to determine who the accuser was, "in the end, the nature and the volume of the evidence and Sgt. Copas's own sworn statement led me to discharge him," Zellmer said.

Military investigators wrote that Copas "engaged in at least three homosexual relationships, and is dealing with at least two jealous lovers, either of whom could be the anonymous source providing this information."

Shortly after Copas was appointed to the 82nd Airborne's highly visible All-American Chorus last May, the first e-mail came to the chorus director.

"The director brought everyone into the hallway and told us about this e-mail they had just received and blatantly asked, 'Which one of you are gay?'" Copas said.

Copas later complained to the director and his platoon sergeant, saying the questions violated "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

"They said they would watch it in the future," Copas said. "And they said, even specifically then, 'Well, you are not gay are you?' And I said, 'no.'"

The accuser, who signed his e-mails "John Smith" or "ftbraggman," pressed Copas' superiors to take action against him or "I will inform your entire battalion of the information that I gave you."

On Dec. 2, investigators formally interviewed Copas and asked if he understood the military's policy on homosexuals, if he had any close acquaintances who were gay, and if he was involved in community theater. He answered affirmatively.

But Copas declined to answer when they asked, "Have you ever engaged in homosexual activity or conduct?" He refused to answer 19 of 47 questions before he asked for a lawyer and the interrogation stopped.

Copas said he accepted the honorable discharge to end the ordeal, to avoid lying about his sexuality and risking a perjury charge, and to keep friends from being targeted.

"It is unfair. It is unjust," he said. "Even with the policy we have, it should never have happened."


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KEYWORDS: army; dontaskdonttell; homosexualagenda; military
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To: Red Badger

"If you're in a foxhole and taking rounds, you don't give a damn what the guy next to you does with his gun as long as he can shoot straight with his rifle........."

Ain't that the truth! And ya know what? If he likes the way my behind looks in camos he might even try a little harder to keep it alive!


21 posted on 07/27/2006 8:16:35 AM PDT by Hazcat
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To: SmithL

Funny, with this story, the guy making the anonymous statements/threats is actually less of a real man than the gay guy.....at least the gay guy isn't hiding anonymously.


22 posted on 07/27/2006 8:24:38 AM PDT by Bones75
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To: FloridianBushFan
I'm with you. It seems to me that the "Don't ask don't tell" policy should be more oriented towards those that blatantly disrupt.
23 posted on 07/27/2006 8:30:01 AM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: garyhope
Plus the article states he wasn't being used in that capacity.

Shortly after Copas was appointed to the 82nd Airborne's highly visible All-American Chorus last May...

24 posted on 07/27/2006 8:30:31 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: garyhope; SmithL; Paradox; FloridianBushFan; TheSuaveOne; Red Badger; buffyt
This guy knew the rules and obviously chose to engage in prohibited activities. Such is obvious from the fact that he accepted the result rather than fight it. All that was necessary to defeat the accusation was proof of heterosexuality, i.e., a denial under oath of the substance of the charge and the emails in question with witnesses (female, preferably) that he exhibited normal sexual behavior.

THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, Article. I., Section. 8., [Congress shall have the power] Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

As enacted by the United States Congress:

Uniform Code of Military Justice

925. ART. 125. SODOMY

(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration , however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.

(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

This soldier was caught violating the UCMJ. His previous service record and decorations are probably what kept him from being discharged under other than honorable conditions.

His violation of standing orders and regulations is no different than those for falsifying official documents or any number of other infractions. He had the choice not violate those orders. However, he made his choice, and, consequently, bears the result of his actions.

Why all the whining about we need his Arabic skills, etc? If he had been killed in action, we would not have his skills. He got them through the Defense Language School. The military can, and will, make more. The military does not need this queer in the ranks creating morale (or other) problems.

Good riddance!
25 posted on 07/27/2006 8:31:36 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: buffyt

We have kicked so many gays out of the military
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Really??? How many have we kicked out?


26 posted on 07/27/2006 8:35:42 AM PDT by justche (If you're afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: SmithL; DBeers

" more than 2 million soldiers, sailors and Marines dismissed for all reasons since 1993..."

2 million military dismissed in 13 years? I know nothing, does that make sense?

If they asked in the beginning and if the answer was "yes" the applicant was shown the door, all this would be solved at no cost.

Don't Ask Don't Tell is better than an open door policy, but much better is to weed them out during recruitment.


27 posted on 07/27/2006 8:37:28 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Lucky Dog
(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration , however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.

Then I guess I was guilty of SODOMY, too. The rules are the rules...........

28 posted on 07/27/2006 8:37:41 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: Red Badger

Based on a literal reading of the UCMJ- emphasis on the part you highlighted, many strait, monogomous, married people would be in violation...


29 posted on 07/27/2006 8:40:28 AM PDT by mnehring (Texas is no Joke! Perry 06)
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To: ops33

it's listed in block 28, Narrative Reason for Separation...I've seen many of these...


30 posted on 07/27/2006 8:42:06 AM PDT by nicko (CW3 (ret.) CPT, you need to just unass the AO; I know what I'm doing- Major, you're on your own.)
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To: mnehrling

I am still in violation.........


31 posted on 07/27/2006 8:44:12 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: absolootezer0
not really, once these guys are out, many of them go right back as contractors, or work for other fed agencies.

And make 5 times the salary they were paid in the military. And they receive benefits, health insurance, overtime pay, holidays off, commissary privileges, and on and on...

Jeez! What I am still doing in the navy? < /sarc>

32 posted on 07/27/2006 8:44:50 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: FloridianBushFan

"I believe people should be allowed to serve their country if they choose to do so and are fit mentally and physically. There was no reason for this guy to be kicked out. DADT needs to come to an end."

Would you be comfortable showering within 2 feet of a gay person of your sex? Accepting gays in the military is no different than having co-ed showers. That's just the opinion of this one time lowly enlisted soldier.


33 posted on 07/27/2006 8:46:13 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: Pox
AP, all homo news, all the time it seems, pretty much the same as the NYT. For such a small portion of the population, these deviants sure command a disproportionate slice of the news pie.

This suggests that a disproportionate slice of the AP and NYT staff pie are roundmouths. Who'd a' thunk it?

34 posted on 07/27/2006 8:47:51 AM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: Red Badger
If you're in a foxhole and taking rounds, you don't give a damn what the guy next to you does with his gun as long as he can shoot straight with his rifle.........

Agreed. While I dont agree with his lifestyle I commend his willingness to serve the republic.
35 posted on 07/27/2006 8:50:21 AM PDT by four more in O 4 (God Bless America. Let Freedom Reign.)
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To: Red Badger
Then I guess I was guilty of SODOMY, too. The rules are the rules...........

Did you get caught?

If you did, did you whine about it?

Would your fellow service members have been revolted by your transgression?

Would they have refused to shower when you were?

Could you have been blackmailed for what you did?

Did your actions put your fellow service memebes at risk from blood borne pathogens related to HIV, etc. in the event your were wounded and they tried to render first aid?

Did your actions put your fellow service memebes at risk from blood borne pathogens related to HIV, etc. in the event you were asked to donate blood for a fellow service member?

The rules are there for a reason. Violating them creates risk both for the violator in terms of career consequences and to his fellow service members in terms of health.
36 posted on 07/27/2006 8:52:04 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: mnehrling; Lucky Dog

Even the venerable Barry Goldwater changed his views on homosexuals in the military before his death. He asked a Taiwanese General, whose military is one of the highest trained and ready to fight in the world, what his country did about gays in the military. He replied,"Nothing." They did not care, and saw it as not hampering their fighting ability at all. I was in the Marines back in the early 70's, and knew there were gay Marines then, even though the term "gay' had not yet become common usage. I knew it, we all did. They performed their military duties as well as if not better than others...........


37 posted on 07/27/2006 8:52:38 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: mnehrling

Exactly.


38 posted on 07/27/2006 8:54:15 AM PDT by mwl1
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To: nicko

I think you are correct. I went back to my DD 214 and in block 28 it says the reason for separation is retirement. But for a person who is separated as being homosexual what exactly does it say in Block 28? Still, there are a couple of things that puzzle me about this. First, if the soldier wasn't gay then why didn't he challenge the allegation? If he wasn't gay then couldn't he argue he was a victim of slander? And if he is gay, then what difference does it make in the civilian world? I don't think there are too many employers out there that have employment policies that ban gays.


39 posted on 07/27/2006 8:54:33 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Drew68
Jeez! What I am still doing in the navy? < /sarc>

that's what i asked my friend, he had offers from a private firm and a fed agency, and turned both down. his response? "iraq's too damn hot for me to go back there on purpose."
40 posted on 07/27/2006 8:55:45 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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