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American Civil War submarine found
The Times (UK) ^ | 6/6/05 | Joanna Bale

Posted on 06/05/2005 5:23:03 PM PDT by saquin

A unique boat from 1864 may have inspired Jules Verne to create Captain Nemo's vessel Nautilus

A BRITISH explorer has found an early submarine that he believes was the inspiration for Nautilus, Captain Nemo’s vessel in Jules Verne’s novel Twenty Thousand Leagues Under The Sea.

Colonel John Blashford-Snell discovered the half-submerged, cast-iron wreck off the coast of Panama while searching for ancient ruins.

She was built in 1864 by a visionary craftsman, Julius Kroehl, for the Union forces during the American Civil War. But the boat, called Explorer, was never used in the conflict and was subsequently taken to Panama where she was used to harvest pearls.

She was ideal for this purpose because of a unique lock-out system, identical to the one in the Nautilus from Verne’s book, published in 1870.

The lock-out system is a reversible air-lock that enables submariners to leave the vessel, harvest pearls from the sea-bed, then return to the submarine. Like Explorer, Nautilus was also used to gather items from the seabed.

Colonel Blashford-Snell, who runs the Dorset-based Scientific Exploration Society, said: “I had been told about the sub 20 years ago and it was described as a Japanese mini-sub. I was then told that in fact it was just a boiler, so I didn’t worry about it. Then recently I was on an exploration in the area looking for ancient ruins and forts. I was contacted by a maritime museum in Canada who knew we were in the area and asked if we could examine the vessel.”

When Colonel Blashford-Snell and his team dived to examine the wreck they discovered that it was much older than previously thought.

He explained: “It was quite an experience because we had an expert with us who said it was much earlier than we had thought and in fact dated from the American Civil War. It had a conning tower and I felt as if Captain Nemo should be in it at the controls.”

The submarine, which measures 36ft by 10ft, was lying in under 10ft of water off Isla San Telmo, an island in an archipelago known as The Pearl Islands, since being abandoned after three years in the pearl industry. Her crew all died from what was described then as a “fever”, but what was more likely to have been the bends after they regularly submerged to about 100ft to work.

Manned submarine techology was just developing when Verne was writing the novel in which Captain Nemo and his crew travel the world’s oceans.

Colonel Blashford-Snell, 67, added: “What made it ideal for the pearl trade was its lock-out system, which meant people could get out of it, gather up pearls then return to the submarine. I realised it was identical to the system used in Nautilus. In the book it mentions that Nautilus was first spotted in 1866, just two years after the Explorer was built.

“And 1864 was significant in another way because it was the year of the first sinking of a ship, USS Housatonic, by a submersible, the hand-cranked CSS Hunley.” Wyn Davies, a maritime historian, said: “If Jules Verne was researching the relatively new world of submersible vessels he would probably have heard of the Explorer’s lock-out system. Submarine inventors were keen to sell their products so there would have been none of today ’s secrecy and technologies would have been keenly scrutinised on both sides of the Atlantic. As far as I’m aware, the Explorer had the world’s first lock-out system and its uniqueness might have stimulated Verne’s imagination.”



TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; civilwar; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; shipwreck

1 posted on 06/05/2005 5:23:04 PM PDT by saquin
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To: saquin
...was the inspiration for Nautilus, Captain Nemo’s vessel...

And to Ted Kennedy's driving instructor.

2 posted on 06/05/2005 5:29:20 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Dems, the annoying vegetarians of politics)
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To: saquin

Coolbeans.


3 posted on 06/05/2005 5:29:26 PM PDT by Darksheare (Hey troll, Sith happens.)
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To: saquin
What made it ideal for the pearl trade was its lock-out system, which meant people could get out of it, gather up pearls then return to the submarine.

And how do they breathe on the outside, with a hose?

4 posted on 06/05/2005 5:31:02 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (This tagline is copyrighted. Reprint only with permission unless excepted for educational purposes.)
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To: saquin

sub also mentioned here, just scroll down:

http://www.hunleystore.com/NEWSLETTER_%2053_%20NOTES/NEWSLETTER_%2053.htm#11)_THE_SUB_MARINE_EXPLORER_


6 posted on 06/05/2005 6:03:02 PM PDT by lunarbicep ("Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve." - G. B. Shaw)
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To: saquin

This sounds more like a diving bell than a submarine. To be a submarine, it would have had to have an internal propulsion system, and I can't imagine what that could have been. If it was operating at 100' depths, it certainly wasn't hand cranked, as was the Hunley.

No, this is a diving bell and not a submarine.


7 posted on 06/05/2005 6:05:10 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: saquin

We better raise it. We wouldn't want the Chinese to get it.


8 posted on 06/05/2005 6:27:23 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: DJ Taylor

More here and here.

9 posted on 06/05/2005 6:29:38 PM PDT by x
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To: DJ Taylor

Certainly looks like it had a propeller and rudder to me.


10 posted on 06/05/2005 6:39:00 PM PDT by chaosagent (It's all right to be crazy. Just don't let it drive you nuts.)
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To: Darkwolf377
I understand another of these was found several
years ago up north.



11 posted on 06/05/2005 6:45:23 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: chaosagent

"It is an interesting parallel story to the Hunley," said Maria Jacobsen, senior archaeologist for the Hunley project. "It furthers our understanding of the evolution of diving technology. But they are two different things. The Explorer is an evolved concept of a dive bell, while the Hunley is a highly maneuverable, hydrodynamic stealth boat. In its case, it is the weapon." http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/10064989.htm

Apparently the Explorer could maneuver on the surface under its own hand-cranked power until it reached its dive location. Then it would flood its dive compartments and sink to the bottom. When it was to surface, compressed air was used to blow the dive compartments. In other words, a surface maneuverable dive bell.


12 posted on 06/05/2005 7:07:43 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: x
"As remarkable as this seems, a demonstration of the vessel was witnessed off Richmond by a Union spy, Mrs. E. H. Baker, proving that it did work. Towards the end of September 1861 Mrs. Baker attended the trials of the Cheeney submarine. A sea green flotation collar that supported an air hose from the boat marked its progress under the James River; while extending the duration of a cruise indefinitely, the float system would prove to be the boat’s weak spot. The Union spy reported that as the float approached a target barge in the river, it was seen to stop. At this time, the third member of the crew, a diver, would have exited the boat and placed a charge on the hull of the barge; air was supplied the diver by a hose from the submarine. Once back inside, the vessel backed away from the target (as evidenced by the movement of the float). A few minutes later, a large explosion sent the barge to the bottom. The crowd cheered and Mrs. Baker quickly sent a report of the demonstration to Washington. In her report she described the submarine attack she had watched and also mentioned a visit on the following day to the Tredegar Works to see a second boat under construction. This accurate eyewitness account spurred the Navy in Hampton Roads to devise and rig the first anti-submarine nets around their ships."

And that FRiends is how intelligence operations are supposed to work.

13 posted on 06/05/2005 8:17:09 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: SunkenCiv

pingworthy?


14 posted on 06/05/2005 9:27:17 PM PDT by solitas (So what if I support a platform that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.3.7)
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To: solitas
Heh... yeah, sort of... it's a "Thoroughly Modern Miscellany" topic, which I've added to the GGG catalog, but I rarely ping those individually anymore. Thanks, Solitas. John Ericsson's "Monitor" (and similar vessels built by the Union) was widely copied. By 1868 knockoffs were deployed for use by (at least) Russia and Brazil.
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15 posted on 06/05/2005 9:34:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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