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Was Agnes Sorel, The First Official Royal Mistress Of France, Poisoned?
ESRF ^ | 3-2-2005

Posted on 04/05/2005 12:03:22 PM PDT by blam

Was Agnès Sorel, the first official royal mistress of France, poisoned?

Grenoble (France), 2 April 2005 - The ESRF has gone back in time to study the reason behind the sudden death of the beautiful mistress of French king Charles VII, in the XV century. Thanks to synchrotron light, pieces of Agnès Sorel's hair and skin have been studied. The evidence obtained makes it possible to suggest plausible causes of death. The way she died is not known yet, however, incredibly high levels of mercury have been found in her remains. This finding opens the door to numerous hypotheses. The results of this study were presented today in Loches (France), where the corpse has been buried again following its exhumation last September for this research.

Reconstitution of Agnès Sorel's face superimposed on the remains of her skull and her recumbent statue. Credits: artwork and photo by Philippe Charlier / CHRU de Lille - 2005.

The history of Agnès Sorel would make a good plot for a soap opera. She was the first mistress of a French king to be officially recognized as such. It is said that she was an extremely beautiful woman, as well as very intelligent. She wielded considerable influence over the king and his policies, which earned her a number of powerful enemies at court. She gave birth to three daughters and, while pregnant with her fourth child, she joined Charles VII on a campaign against the English in 1450 in Jumièges, Normandy. Shortly afterwards, she fell ill and died of "flux of the stomach" according to the official account of events. Nevertheless, a lot of people believed she had been poisoned because of her sudden death and because of her numerous enemies.

Agnes Sorel's death was premature: she was only about 28 years old. To clarify the cause, a team led by Dr. Charlier from the CHU hospital in Lille is studying her remains through a variety of techniques. Hair and bits of skin have been examined in minute detail using the X-rays of the European Synchrotron Radiation Facility. They have unveiled some indications that could lead researchers to discover the cause of Sorel's death. X-ray micro fluorescence experiments were performed on beamline ID18F at the ESRF. Scientists found that Sorel's remains contained abnormal levels of mercury.

This chemical element appears in the body of people who have been poisoned; nevertheless, one should not come to premature conclusions. Mercury is also present in pharmaceutical purgative treatments. Scientists found eggs from worms in other parts of her body, as well as remains of a plant used during that period to treat these worms. This could indicate that she was trying to heal herself by taking medicines and that she ingested too high a dose, which caused her death. Other possible sources of mercury contamination could have been the result of mummification or contamination from the mummies' environment. There is also a hypothesis that she could have accumulated these metals throughout her life, for instance, by using cosmetics, since they often contained metals. According to Dr. Charlier, "the results from the experiments at the ESRF, in contrast with experiments carried out in other institutes, have proven that mercury did not enter her hair after death but before, and that it was the cause of death".

Marine Cotte, the researcher from the ESRF who carried out the experiments with Sorels' hair and skin.

In addition to the historic interest of this research, it also has consequences today: "Our research validates the medical and legal techniques which are used in criminal investigations", explains Dr. Charlier.

This research is funded by "Le Conseil Général d'Indre et Loire" and it will be presented to the scientific community in a workshop from 22 to 24 April 2005 in Loches.

Published: 02/04/2005


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KEYWORDS: agnes; archaeology; first; france; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; gogsgravesglyphs; history; mercury; mistress; official; poisoned; sorel; thimerisol
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To: blam

I think mercury was also used to treat venereal diseases like syphillis up until the 19th century.

Arsenic was another popular cure-all believe it or not.


21 posted on 04/05/2005 3:26:20 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: wildbill
"Arsenic was another popular cure-all believe it or not.

Still is: Arsenic Trioxide (Maybe not so popular though)

22 posted on 04/05/2005 3:33:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

mercury was used back then to treat venereal disease...


23 posted on 04/05/2005 3:45:46 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: blam

Very broad brow, room for plenty of brains, especially frontal lobes, which control executive skills of problem solving, abstract reasoning, insight, judgment, planning, information processing, and organization. Nice to read about women who were valued for their brains as well as their beauty.


24 posted on 04/05/2005 7:03:15 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: nopardons

Columbus brought syphilus back from the New World circa 1492. La belle Sorel died in 1450, which predates syphilus by a couple of generations.


25 posted on 04/05/2005 7:07:03 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: CobaltBlue
I stated a fact, a fact outside of the topic of this thread.

Mercury was used to treat other disease,prior to what Columbus did or did not bring back from the "new world". :-)

26 posted on 04/05/2005 7:12:37 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: CobaltBlue
Columbus brought syphilus back from the New World circa 1492...

Sorry to correct you, but everybody knows there was a one-way flow of badness from the white Europe to the idyllic perfection that was the native American "New World". Don't know where you got your information, but syphilus was not a part of that Eden, until Columbus brought those chemical warfare vials over on the Santa Maria.
27 posted on 04/05/2005 7:20:23 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: blam; hellinahandcart; AnAmericanMother; aculeus; general_re; Artist
Virgin and Child with Angels by Jean Fouquet, said to have used Agnes Sorel as his model.
28 posted on 04/05/2005 7:20:51 PM PDT by dighton
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To: dighton

Reminds me why I don't like fifteenth century French painters.


29 posted on 04/05/2005 7:43:36 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: dighton; blam; hellinahandcart; AnAmericanMother; aculeus; general_re; Artist

A current member of the Sorel family?

30 posted on 04/05/2005 8:11:58 PM PDT by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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To: dighton

Johan Huizinga, the great Dutch historian, bluntly abhorred this work:

"...as a most appalling example of a dangerous blend of amorous and religious feelings. There is a flavour of blasphemous boldness about the whole"


31 posted on 04/05/2005 8:23:59 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: nopardons; LadyDoc; CobaltBlue
Origins Of Syphilis
32 posted on 04/05/2005 8:29:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: DustyMoment
And, this is relevant because . . . . . . ??

Because history is fascinating.

33 posted on 04/05/2005 10:50:32 PM PDT by Capriole (I don't have any problems that couldn't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition)
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To: nopardons
Women use to put arsenic under their tongues to make their complexion pale and then they would paint on blue veins (Supposedly that's where the term blue-bloods comes from). Boy's urine, bat's blood, and mercury chemical peels were all popular cosmetic endeavors with the wealthy. Lye was used to lighten hair. Later they had 3 foot high hair styles involving birds!

Queen Elizabeth I used a thick lead paste on her face and chest to get that white look (It hid her smallpox scars and the pale look was in) and mercury on her lips and cheeks (vermilion). I've read that her lips partially eaten away because of the chemicals she used on them and that's why she refused to get her portrait painted as she aged. All that and she lived to be 70.

And we're suppose to worry about Chinese food and popcorn!

Belladonna is still used in Ophthalmology today. In a very controlled dose, of coarse, but it's not uncommon to see reactions to it. That's stuff's dangerous.

34 posted on 04/06/2005 12:26:41 AM PDT by lizma
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To: blam
Maybe not so popular though

Sad lol. It was a last ditch effort for a kind of leukemia but it's pretty much been abandoned. Side effects are horrendous.

But they're still producing it so somebody must still be using it.

35 posted on 04/06/2005 12:42:46 AM PDT by lizma
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To: AnAmericanMother
From what I have read, it wasn't the painters, it was the royal women.

They would pluck back their hairline 3 or 4 inches for the sake of fashion. Look at paintings of QEI and check out her hairline. Yuck.

Then of coarse you may not be committing on her baldness at all and I'll just go away.

36 posted on 04/06/2005 12:50:35 AM PDT by lizma
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To: CobaltBlue
Syphilis was in Europe well before 1492. From what I can tell it's been around since the dawn of time, at least for the people who grew up around the Mediterranean sea. It's alleged that Augustus Caesar was afflicted by hereditary syphilis.

North and South America had their own form of the bacteria, yaws and pinta

We brought syphilis and small pox to the New World and in exchange we took back the potato. Not a very PC exchange.

37 posted on 04/06/2005 1:22:15 AM PDT by lizma
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To: Capriole

I enjoy history as much as the next person but, after 300 years, what difference does it make if a royal mistress was poisoned? Who will be charged and punished for her murder??

Now, if you want to talk about whether or not King Tut was murdered, well, THAT'S different!!!!

:-)


38 posted on 04/06/2005 4:19:14 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: lizma
"But they're still producing it so somebody must still be using it."

I used it for decades in the manufacture of micro-chips...it has some desired electrical properties whin diffused into silicon.

39 posted on 04/06/2005 6:50:18 AM PDT by blam
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To: lizma
"We brought syphilis and small pox to the New World and in exchange we took back the potato. "

A population explosion occurred in Europe due to the importation of the potato. There are over 2,000 varieties of potatoes in South America and unfortunately only 1-2 are in widespread use. The Irish paid the price in the mid-1800's for having only one variety that was ravished by a fungus and many died as a consequence.

40 posted on 04/06/2005 6:55:04 AM PDT by blam
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