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Free Martha !...or not! ***Live Thread*** on Martha's fate (Five Months)
News channels ^ | July 16, 2004

Posted on 07/16/2004 7:23:49 AM PDT by TomGuy

Free Martha!!!!!....or Not!

Court decision any moment.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: marthastewart
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To: jimbo123

jimbo,
thanks for posting that info and picture...makes me wish she got the FULL 16mos.!

permit me a brief 'catty' comment: that picture of her, and many others, makes me wonder how she can display such good taste in decorating her surroundings and have none when it comes to herself!

SHEESH...the lady always looks "undone" to me


201 posted on 07/16/2004 10:53:53 AM PDT by krunkygirl
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To: azhenfud
"They ignored me."

Costs lots of money to prosecute lots of people. It is also difficult to prove why someone chooses to buy stock at a specific time. Insider trading is almost impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Stewart would have been fine if she had told the truth.

Insider trading happens every day and is hardly ever prosecuted. Stewart's trial was a show trial, nothing more.
The equivalent of the Communist show trials of the fifties and sixties in Eastern Europe.

The government must be shown to get tough on the elites from time to time, otherwise Joe six-pack begins to catch on to the fact that government is bought and paid for by corporate and other special interest groups.
Of course, no one likes a tattle tale either azhenfud.
202 posted on 07/16/2004 11:07:24 AM PDT by monday
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To: TomGuy

203 posted on 07/16/2004 11:10:47 AM PDT by Main Street (Stuck in traffic.)
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To: Main Street

Just saw on Drudge that Martha will be on Barbara Walters' show. No surprise there.


204 posted on 07/16/2004 11:13:15 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: Badeye
Exactly. The problem is unmitigated arrogance.

The fact that you were able to ask the question "How much is too much?" Shows you haven't lost touch with your background or basic values.

People like Martha are not interested in people. They believe that consumers are masses, represented by x while laborers are masses represented by y If your business is located in an area with x population then y employees should be able to produce enough product for z product sales. If profits don't equal that projected in z sales, then it's the fault of the laborers.

I'm not making this up. It's a summary of what I was being taught in college. I call it Trotsky economics.

All rich socialists consider themselves the elite and above the law. It's why they really believe that a thousand people are waiting for every job, no matter how menial and/or low paying. And why they eventually get caught and fitted for those lovely orange coveralls. Some day, indoctrinated social collectivism will be medically identified as a neurosis if not an out and out mental illness. 'Course that won't happen until our colleges stop churning out indoctrinated social collectivists.

205 posted on 07/16/2004 11:20:46 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Solson
Laws are useless unless applied consistently and credibly.

I'll have to agree on that point. What do you expect when lawyers have screwed things up so bad and continue to do so. After all, they make the law, and dispense it [or not]..(the DA is the most powerful of all)...and even adjudicate it.

There are a lot of folks serving YEARS (!!) for possessing a small quantity of a leafy substance that is neither harmful or addicting, and less damaging to society than legal substances like tobacco and alcohol....THAT is inconsistency.

In short, Martha got off like a queen. Judges don't do this kind of stuff for the common blokes like you and me. [Choice of mansions..free to go out..what a joke!]

206 posted on 07/16/2004 11:24:13 AM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: monday

Understood. But their sell-out costed my community about 200 jobs.


207 posted on 07/16/2004 11:24:21 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"This is pathetic."

I couldn't agree with you more.

208 posted on 07/16/2004 11:27:19 AM PDT by Slip18
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To: cake_crumb

"The fact that you were able to ask the question "How much is too much?" Shows you haven't lost touch with your background or basic values. "

How much is enough was the question I asked of myself and my biz partners. But your point is appreciated, I try to keep in mind where I began, how I got here. The "arc of life" as the World According to Garp noted.


209 posted on 07/16/2004 11:28:46 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: Solson
"Laws are useless unless applied consistently and credibly."

M.S. should have had her attorneys move the trial to L.A. where they could paint the prosecutors as incompetent to carry a briefcase, let alone handle a court case. She'd have been freed PRONTO!

210 posted on 07/16/2004 11:28:50 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: TomGuy

"Honey.....throw out those green towels and put the new black & white stripe Martha towels in the linen closet"


211 posted on 07/16/2004 11:31:04 AM PDT by afnamvet (Retired, USAF Vietnam 68-69 ...no surrender, no quarter)
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To: TomGuy
"Red flag"

Martha says, "How do I look in orange?"

212 posted on 07/16/2004 11:38:14 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Badeye
"But your point is appreciated, I try to keep in mind where I began, how I got here. The "arc of life" as the World According to Garp noted."

All of us at reach an utter low point at some time in our lives, when we feel we don't have a leg left on which to stand. I may be naiive, but have always believed that if you live your life true to your understanding of right and wrong, when you do reach that point, you discover that you DO have that leg left, after all. It's something most of us don't even think about, but that sturdy leg is there all the same.

Maybe it's from all that psychological training, but it seems to me that's the problem of people like Martha, Hillary!, Hanoi John et al.: when they're 90 years old they'll be looking back over a sea of regrets. They'll find no comfort in knowing they at least did the right thing.

213 posted on 07/16/2004 11:53:02 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: q_an_a
If your broker can't tell you that the stock is being sold by big holders what is the point of having a broker?

If you think that's all this is about, then you need to call Martha and tell her the whole thing is a scam, okay?

214 posted on 07/16/2004 12:01:02 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Grampa Dave

She broke the law, and got a slap on the wrist.

And people still defend her.

Amazing.


215 posted on 07/16/2004 12:04:11 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I don't think that's entirely accurate.

How much did/does she get from the husband she left to pursue her "career"? Is that the "Republican way", too?

She earned it; after she pulled a similar stunt as a broker years ago. So she's a hero?


216 posted on 07/16/2004 12:06:56 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: finnman69
and on another trial note...Scott Peterson is going to walk.

Yep.

217 posted on 07/16/2004 12:08:30 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

On the MSNBC poll today:

Do you think Martha Stewart got the punishment she deserved? * 157462 responses

Yes 35%
No 65%


218 posted on 07/16/2004 12:11:00 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

I don't listen to Michael Savage very often...but he was on a rant last week. To my surprise, he was defending Martha and attacking the Judge and the Government, espcecially about it going forward with the perjuries committed. He maintains that Martha was being persecuted, basically, to make it only appear as though the Government is trying to go after white collar crimes. Boy did he castrate this particular judge.

My thoughts: what's up with Savage? I completely disagree with his whole take. Martha committed crimes and should pay the consequences, especially for obstruction.

And after listening to her today after sentencing, I'm just appalled at her behavior and attitude: making a sales pitch, saying she cares more about the "innocent" employees who have been harmed by this "personal" issue which was "blown out of proportion" in a "circus" event. She should have gotten more time than what the judge sentenced her to, imho. She sounds like a typical Rat.


219 posted on 07/16/2004 12:14:33 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: TomGuy

She should have gotten the full sentence.


220 posted on 07/16/2004 12:23:24 PM PDT by plain talk
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