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Chinese produce new type of sub (US intelligence is surprised)
Washington Times ^
| July 16, 2004
| Bill Gertz
Posted on 07/15/2004 10:57:58 PM PDT by FairOpinion
China's naval buildup has produced a new type of attack submarine that U.S. intelligence did not know was under construction, according to U.S. defense and intelligence officials.
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TOPICS: Front Page News
KEYWORDS: armsbuildup; china; chinesemilitary; gertz; submarine; trade; weapons
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To: Long Cut
Ping. You might have to kill one of these some day.
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posted on
07/16/2004 7:48:10 AM PDT
by
Modernman
("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
To: jpsb
The free trade cultists say free trade brings peace between trade partners.
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posted on
07/16/2004 7:49:09 AM PDT
by
Destro
(Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
To: Myrddin
The French have delivered one of three nuke subs to Pakistan. One is operational. #2 just passed the deep water dive test. All the Paki nuke weapons are missile warheads.So what missile would be mounted in the subs that can deliver the warheads and would it be accurate, dependable? Do you have any guesses? Something from Korea?
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posted on
07/16/2004 7:51:35 AM PDT
by
dennisw
(Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
To: FairOpinion
The sole Xia class, the type 093 and 094 under construction that we were aware of are bigger threats than this new boat.
It is embarrassing that intel didn't know about this boat but of little significance
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posted on
07/16/2004 7:52:26 AM PDT
by
mylife
(The roar of the masses could be farts)
To: Destro
It doesn't, see ww1 and ww2.
45
posted on
07/16/2004 7:56:41 AM PDT
by
jpsb
(Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
To: jpsb
Heretic! Bow before the alter of free trade!! See my #11
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posted on
07/16/2004 8:01:59 AM PDT
by
Destro
(Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
To: Destro
"We shall see where this free trade cult leads us."
Yea well I will be kicking and screaming the entire time. There is no such thing as global free trade without a global government. Free traders are really globalists, I am a American.
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posted on
07/16/2004 8:14:55 AM PDT
by
jpsb
(Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
To: Vigilantcitizen
"What about the ASROC?" ASROC can kill the enemy sub after it is detected, but it can't stop the torpedos that said enemy sub may have already launched.
What I'm referring to are point defenses...sub-surface systems that can destroy enemy torpedos.
11 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires
48
posted on
07/16/2004 8:41:17 AM PDT
by
Southack
(Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: FairOpinion
Here's a scary thought...
What would happen if all of our "enemies" coordinated enough to all attack the US or US interests all at once.
And I am talking about ALL of our enemies.
Say the Chinese move on Taiwan, North Korea invades South Korea, Iran invades Iraq, Nukes fly towards Israel, and terrorists pull a coordinated attack on the homeland, ALL ON THE SAME DAY!?
What could we do?
Anything?
49
posted on
07/16/2004 9:38:21 AM PDT
by
Crusher138
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To: FairOpinion
more results from those ladies who shop at walmart which buys chinese.
To: Southack
What I'm referring to are point defenses...sub-surface systems that can destroy enemy torpedos. Ahhh! Thanks for clarifying.
And you do have a good point there.
To: All
Seawolf says "Yummmm, Chinese Food"!
To: FairOpinion
"It is simply appalling that the United States cannot get its act together to organize the production of eight new submarines for Taiwan," Mr. Fisher said.
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posted on
07/16/2004 10:26:06 AM PDT
by
Tailgunner Joe
("Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people.")
To: jpsb
WTF are you rambling about...
Not one thing in your reply addressed anything in my post.
Try educating yourself by learning to read before you go ranting unintelligibly...unless of course it was a poor attempt at sarcasm..
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posted on
07/16/2004 11:12:30 AM PDT
by
Indie
(Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
To: Modernman
"You might have to kill one of these some day." All I'm going to say is, that possibility has been considered.
BTW, I'm in a simulator until 2130 tonight. Back after that.
55
posted on
07/16/2004 12:24:17 PM PDT
by
Long Cut
(The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
To: backtothestreets; ZULU
Glad I'm not the only one who recognizes the stupidity in trading with enemies. :)
56
posted on
07/16/2004 12:26:24 PM PDT
by
Critter
(...an online gathering place for sissy boy, girlie men, nanny staters.)
To: dennisw
The French subs use a methanol/liquid oxygen propulsion system. They are nearly undetectable. The choice of missiles won't have to be terribly long range to get the job done. Claimed cruising range is 12,000 nautical miles. The French will probably provide the missile platform to go with the sub. I would guess the Pakis will design their warheads to match the missiles.
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posted on
07/16/2004 12:26:53 PM PDT
by
Myrddin
To: Myrddin
I don't think France has the stones to sell missiles to Pakistan that will be fitted for nuclear warheads.
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posted on
07/16/2004 1:58:34 PM PDT
by
dennisw
(Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
To: Myrddin
"All the Paki nuke weapons are missile warheads."Excuse me?! Just because it's a nuke doesn't mean that it can be launched via a missile.
10 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires
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posted on
07/16/2004 3:25:51 PM PDT
by
Southack
(Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: Myrddin
Actually the only missile that France usually sells with its conventional subs (&also to the Pakis) is the exocet anti-ship missile-which is much in the same class as the harpoon ,though significantly less range(about 50kms).
The Exocet has not been designed to be fitted with a nuke warhead&even if the Pakis try to do something-the warhead size of the Exocet(bout 150kilos) makes fitting a nuclear warhead rather impossible technically.The French sea launched land-attack cruise missile (Scalp Navale) which is pretty much in the same class as the American JASSM ,won't come out till 2008&cannot be exported without EU consent.Other than that the only other sea launched missile they have now are their SLBMs!!!
Moreover now France seems to be wanting to do away with its arms relations with Pakistan-It is close to signing contracts to sell India 120 Mirage 2005 fighter bombers,6 Scorpene subs(next gen variant of the one ,the PN operates)&loads of other smaller contracts.Doesnt make sense to continue sticking to a semi-failed Islamic state.
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