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Did comets flood Earth’s oceans?
EurekaAlert ^ | 16 June 2004

Posted on 06/16/2004 2:30:59 PM PDT by ckilmer

Did comets flood Earth’s oceans?

Did comets flood Earth's oceans?

16 June 2004

Did the Earth form with water locked into its rocks, which then gradually leaked out over millions of years? Or did the occasional impacting comet provide the Earth’s oceans? The Ptolemy experiment on Rosetta may just find out…

The Earth needed a supply of water for its oceans, and the comets are large celestial icebergs - frozen reservoirs of water orbiting the Sun. Did the impact of a number of comets, thousands of millions of years ago, provide the Earth with its supply of water? Finding hard scientific evidence is surprisingly difficult.

Artist's impression of Rosetta orbiter and lander

Ptolemy may just provide the information to understand the source of water on Earth. It is a miniature laboratory designed to analyse the precise types of atoms that make up familiar molecules like water.

Atoms can come in slightly different types, known as isotopes. Each isotope behaves almost identically in a chemical sense but has a slightly different weight because of extra neutrons in its nucleii.

Ian Wright is the principal investigator for Ptolemy, an instrument on Rosetta’s Philae lander. By analysing with Ptolemy the mix of isotopes found in Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko, he hopes to say whether comet water is similar to that found in Earth’s oceans. Recent results from the ground-based observation of another comet, called LINEAR, suggested that they probably are the same.

If this is true, then scientists have solved another puzzle. However, if the comets are not responsible for Earth’s oceans, then planetary scientists and geophysicists will have to look elsewhere.

For example, the answer could be closer to home, through processes related to vulcanism. Also, meteorites (chunks of asteroids or comets that fall to Earth) have been found to contain water but it is bound to the minerals and in nothing like the quantity found in comets.

However, since the Earth formed from rocks similar to the asteroids, it is feasible that enough water could have been supplied that way.

If comets did not supply Earth’s oceans then it implies something amazing about the comets themselves. If Ptolemy finds that they are made of extremely different isotopes, it means that they may not have formed in our Solar System at all. Instead, they could be interstellar rovers captured by the Sun’s gravity.

Rosetta, Philae and Ptolemy will either solve one scientific mystery, or open another whole set of new ones.

Europe's comet chaser

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• Rosetta factsheet (http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMJUZS1VED_index_0.html)

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• Landing on a cosmic iceberg (http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEM6N12A6BD_exploring_0.html)

• ANIMATION: Life of a comet (http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Rosetta/SEM3NV0PGQD_0.html)

• Asteroids: The discovery of asteroids (http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMDVF9YFDD_index_0.html)

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: armandhdelsemme; astronomy; bigsplash; catastrophism; churyumovgerasimenko; comet; comet67p; comets; crevolist; louisafrank; louisfrank; notsogreatflood; ocean; oceans; originofoceans; originoftheoceans; panspermia; patrickhuyghe; science; smallcomets; tethysocean; thebigsplash; water
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To: SF Republican

They might, but the lack of atmospheric pressure and gravitational atraction would cause sudden evaporation into space like the primordial atmosphere the moon once owned .


21 posted on 06/16/2004 4:02:48 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: ckilmer

In related news, rain is caused by meteor showers.


22 posted on 06/16/2004 4:17:30 PM PDT by searchandrecovery (Socialist America - diseased and dysfunctional.)
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To: r9etb

>> Wasting European time and money -- it's from ESA.

Oh well in that case, the world needs more studies like this one. *snicker*


23 posted on 06/16/2004 4:20:52 PM PDT by Betis70
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To: Strategerist
The moon wouldn't have been able to retain the water, however.

Unlike the earth, it doesn't have PMS...

24 posted on 06/16/2004 4:26:50 PM PDT by null and void ( 'IF', only the middle letters in 'life.')
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To: blam

I'm with you on the comet theory. Check this article out...
http://smallcomets.physics.uiowa.edu/blackspot.html

Every few seconds a "snowball" the size of a small house breaks up as it approaches Earth and deposits a large cloud of water vapor in Earth's upper atmosphere.


25 posted on 06/16/2004 4:29:58 PM PDT by Slicksadick (He's French. His hairdresser also grooms poodles. He's a rich woman's pet. That cover's it)
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To: r9etb
I really, really doubt this hypothesis. It would require millions of comets to provide enough water.

A million comets is 1 comet every 1000 years for a billion years.

26 posted on 06/16/2004 4:31:47 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (NEOCON NOW)
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To: laotzu
Did the Earth form with water locked into its rocks, which then gradually leaked out..Or did the occasional impacting comet provide the Earth’s oceans?

It's been estimated that there is still about 2-3 times as much native water locked in rocks than there is free water on the surface of the earth.
27 posted on 06/16/2004 4:33:24 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: r9etb

I thought this hypothesis was idiotic, too. But I read a fascinating article a few years ago about it, and was surprised to see that what had been tossed aside decades ago as a silly theory was actually gaining renewed support because of some sort of breakthrough in astronomy that lent some serious credibility to it.


28 posted on 06/16/2004 4:37:19 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: Mike Darancette

Crude estimates of the brightness of small comets which are devoid of brightly glowing dust particles are indeed about the brightness of Venus, and their impact rate is about 10 million per year. It is remarkable that the orbits and speeds calculated for many of the "fireballs" are similar to those for the small comets.

From here...
http://smallcomets.physics.uiowa.edu/lecture/lect5.html

Dirty snowballs the size of houses, by the millions.


29 posted on 06/16/2004 4:41:44 PM PDT by Slicksadick (He's French. His hairdresser also grooms poodles. He's a rich woman's pet. That cover's it)
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To: ckilmer

What's the liklihood that comet ice is going to bear any resemblance to water that has been on earth for at least 4000 years and been evaporated and rained and eroded rocks and been filtered through bedrock and drained back into the ocean any number of times?


30 posted on 06/16/2004 4:47:01 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: r9etb
Genesis 7
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
31 posted on 06/16/2004 5:50:27 PM PDT by null and void ( 'IF', only the middle letters in 'life.')
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To: null and void

Well, yes.... but there was already water by the time Noah came around. ;-)


32 posted on 06/16/2004 6:51:39 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: S0122017

Comets May Be the Source of Earth's Water
http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/comet_water_source.html?2332006

"Because of their large ice content, comets were leading candidates for many years, but recent analysis of comet water has shown that comet water is significantly different from typical ocean water on Earth. Asteroidal ice may give a better match to Earth's water, but until now, any ice that the asteroids may have once contained was thought to either be long gone or so deeply buried inside large asteroids as to be inaccessible for further analysis. The discovery of main-belt comets means that this ice is not gone and is still accessible (right on the surfaces of at least some objects in the main belt, and at times, even venting into space)."


33 posted on 04/14/2006 8:45:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Catastrophism

34 posted on 04/14/2006 8:46:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: r9etb

There is no size limit to a comet :)
A planet the size of jupiter can be a comet if it flies through space unbound by a star. Besides, millions of comes of a period of billions of years is not that much.


35 posted on 04/15/2006 4:08:03 AM PDT by S0122017 (God created the aliens which guided evolution which produced the human race and that's the Truth.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Im waiting for discovery of tiny red life forms in the comet ice :)


36 posted on 04/15/2006 4:08:55 AM PDT by S0122017 (God created the aliens which guided evolution which produced the human race and that's the Truth.)
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To: S0122017

This topic is from 2004. :')


37 posted on 04/15/2006 5:58:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

oops.

But why did you send me a ping from an old thread?


38 posted on 04/15/2006 8:27:23 AM PDT by S0122017 (God created the aliens which guided evolution which produced the human race and that's the Truth.)
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To: S0122017

It's related to a topic you'd recently started, or something'.


39 posted on 04/15/2006 6:27:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks!


40 posted on 04/16/2006 12:11:34 PM PDT by S0122017 (God created the aliens which guided evolution which produced the human race and that's the Truth.)
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