Professor Appointed to Probe Schiavo Case

Schiavo suffered severe brain damage when her heart stopped due to a chemical imbalance (and severe beating resulting in bronken bones) and has been in a persistent vegetative state for more than a decade.(Michael's) Doctors have said there is no hope for her recovery

This is pathetic. Too many evil people, too many incompetent judges and way too many apathetic people involved.

"My rule of thumb is to always be suspicious of any poster who hasn't been a freeper longer than a month"

A number of the anti-Terri trolls registered last spring.

Probably when Glenn Beck started talking about it, they got nervous? freep mail me the names of some you suspect, I'm curious....

This is high stakes to the Right to Die movement and they are pulling out all the stops. And I think the tentacles are all over the judiciary, legislative, and executive branches.

If she landed head first as "hubby" indicated, how did that straighten out her neck? It seems to me it would have caused a compression injury instead.

Why did Michael buy for time, calling Bobby then Bob Sr. before callling the ambulance (under duress by Bob Sr.)? Was it he afraid of something? Was he trying to further oxygen-deprive her brain? This guy is no knight in shining armor. Whether she was bulemic or not (sounds as if she were) is really a side issue.

I don't agree with the "blood" relative assessment. If I remember correctly, Christopher Reeves' mom wanted to pull the plug soon after the accident. It was Mrs. Reeves, Jr. who went to bat for her husband.

Having said that, at the very least, the fact that there was talk of divorce and that he has since blatantly disregarded his marriage vows, should forever disqualify Michael as guardian to Terri forever.

Someone who simply wants to see that her wishes were adhered to would not in the meantime deny her teeth to be brushed, antibiotics to be given or REFUSE THE THERAPY TO PERHAPS RELEARN HOW TO EAT NORMALLY thus making this whole controversy moot.

This guy wants her dead.

Hi, am wondering, what's a PAC physician?

<<<(Ed is a graduating Law student with honors from a “Top 5” U.S. Law School – Harv)

The Schindlers didn't even offer the Judge their recommendation for a GAL. Only complained about the default GAL. Not a good legal move.
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ED: This is perfect. With the Schindlers having such a weak position and offering no GAL, which makes no sense!, it was a very good day in Court for Terri..Ed
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But the Schindlers did suggest a GAL -- see Respondents' Response to the Court's Requests Regarding Guardian ad Litem

This response states (in part):

"Respondents believe the Ward's interests are best served by a person ... who is familiar with the intricacies of Florida's guardianship statues, who is experienced in acting as a guardian ... Respondents believe a professional guardian, already known to this Court and already having demonstrated a record of reliability, is the best person to serve in this important role. Respondents believe Ms. [Mary Anne] Quartetti meets these criteria, but if the Court for whatever reason does not wish to appoint her, Respondents request that the person appointed be selected from among the pool of professional guardians either in this Circuit or in the Thirteenth Judicial Circuit."

Yeah, a lot is being assumed here.

It's necessary to take anyone's posts with a grain of salt, but debate is part of FR and is in fact healthy to strengthen our points. If disagreement makes one a troll, then aren't we ALL trolls on one thread or another? lol.

Link to Ed's post, please? Since he incorrectly states that the Schindlers did not suggest a GAL (which the Schindlers DID request one) it would be important for someone to post a correction to that site. And also, please clarify with a link which indicates that there has ever been a diagnosis from prior to the collapse (or post collapse from a non-Schiavo source) regarding the bulimia.

I'm also curious as to your claim regarding Baden... do you have a link, proof or documentation as to your claim that he became angry regarding the Schindlers supposed knowledge of Terri's alleged bulimia? According to Pat Anderson on Greta

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101589,00.html

the bulimia is "just a theory" - hardly an indication that the family "knew" about a FACTUAL, documented disorder.

We are all eager for inside news, and that documentation would certainly help build your case against the Schindlers...

>>please clarify with a link which indicates that there has ever been a diagnosis from prior to the collapse (or post collapse from a non-Schiavo source) regarding the bulimia.

Even Michael Schiavo, asked about this on LKL, did not say directly that he had firsthand knowledge that Terri had bulimia, or that he saw her vomiting.
Has anyone else, family or friends, said they knew it?
Either one of her doctors made this diagnosis, or they didn't.

Me, too, please, re: post 83, I think it important to monitor these ppl, if only of a few of the closely involved and interested Freepers known at least a year, to "keep watch" for imposters.
Would help if we could identify handles.

I am a newbee on all this message board stuff. How do ping?
I have Ping Deficiency Syndrome :-(
Is their a medic in the house!!

Harv

Just write our freep names as they appear, in the address section. When responding to a post, or sending out info.;-)

But the Schindlers did suggest a GAL -- see Respondents' Response to the Court's Requests Regarding Guardian ad Litem [from RusynMama]

st1, a very earnest request to you: if you don't like something the Schindlers are doing, at least refrain from going off half-cocked. OK?

>>It is reported, Judge Greer cannot legally drive a car because of his lack of eye sight

Pull his tube! Pull his tube! He's useless to society!

AMEN now to get it pulled from Felos . Talk about somebody with PVS its Felos

Harv, you've definitely got some interesting info here. You and I probably run with some of the same crowd - could you give some corroborating evidence for your information? Especially since you are a PI working this case - because I'm on the team, and I haven't met you yet...

Are you here in Florida?

"There can be no doubt from this that what is taking place here is the most prolonged case of First Degree Murder that has ever been carried out."

You are so right. The deterioration of her condition is obvious when you see more recent pictures and compare them with the one in the article. She has received 'Michael Schiavo brand' therapy, deprivation.

Thank you for the ping! Very interesting info that I would have missed.

our PAC physician’s

Just to be clear, what is a PAC physician?

Malpractice suit brings $2-million to woman left in vegetative state

Series: Metro REPORT:[CITY Edition]

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/index.html?ts=1067558394

LAURA GRIFFIN. St. Petersburg Times. St. Petersburg, Fla.: Nov 12, 1992. pg. 3.B

Tuesday night, a jury awarded Mrs. Schiavo and her husband, Michael [Schiavo], more than $2-million in a lawsuit they brought against the gynecologist who never asked about her medical or nutritional history while treating her.

During the trial, attorneys for the Schiavos showed a film of a day in Mrs. Schiavo's life at Sabal Palms Nursing Home in Largo. Although she's in a vegetative state, said St. Petersburg lawyer Glenn Woodworth, "you can tell she has some sense of her predicament."

Woodworth and Miami lawyer Gary Fox maintained that [Stephen] Igel saw Mrs. Schiavo four times over a year and never asked about her nutrition and never noticed the loose skin and stretch marks resulting from her substantial weight loss.

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Although she's only 28, Theresa Schiavo lies day in and day out in a nursing home, left virtually helpless from a heart attack brought on by an eating disorder.

Tuesday night, a jury awarded Mrs. Schiavo and her husband, Michael, more than $2-million in a lawsuit they brought against the gynecologist who never asked about her medical or nutritional history while treating her.

During the trial, attorneys for the Schiavos showed a film of a day in Mrs. Schiavo's life at Sabal Palms Nursing Home in Largo. Although she's in a vegetative state, said St. Petersburg lawyer Glenn Woodworth, "you can tell she has some sense of her predicament."

"It's a tragic case," Woodworth said. "She was on the threshold of her life. They were ready to start a family . . . (On the film) she knows her husband and looks into his eyes."

As a child, Mrs. Schiavo was heavy. As a teenager, she weighed about 200 pounds. But she weighed only 120 pounds at age 25. She kept her weight off through a dangerous eating disorder, bulimia, which involves vomiting after eating.

The couple had been married about six years when Mrs. Schiavo began thinking she was pregnant because she kept missing her menstrual periods.

Her family doctor referred her to Dr. Stephen Igel, an obstetrician-gynecologist in Clearwater. But she wasn't pregnant, Woodworth said. She was missing her periods because of poor nutrition.

Woodworth and Miami lawyer Gary Fox maintained that Igel saw Mrs. Schiavo four times over a year and never asked about her nutrition and never noticed the loose skin and stretch marks resulting from her substantial weight loss.
"There were no questions about weight loss, eating habits or anything," Fox said. "She had significant stretch marks on her thighs. This was something a prudent gynecologist would not miss."

Igel treated only the symptoms, he said, not the cause.
On Feb. 24, 1990, after a year of treatment, Michael Schiavo heard a thud in the bathroom. When he went to see what happened, he found his wife crumpled on the floor. She had suffered a heart attack, Fox said.

"I think there are a lot of gynecologists out there who are treating women with Teri's symptoms in an ordinary way," Fox said. "But it's not an ordinary problem."

Igel's attorney, Kenneth Deacon, could not be reached for comment Wednesday.

Fox said Igel's attorney contended that Mrs. Schiavo should have disclosed her problem and that even if he had suspected and asked, she probably would have kept it from him because bulimics are often secretive.

The jury agreed partly with the defense. They originally awarded the Schiavos more than $6-million but found that she was 70 percent at fault. So they subtracted her liability from the award, bringing it down to $2-million, her attorneys said.

The verdict could have been higher, Woodworth said, if the jury hadn't found that because of the bulimia, Mrs. Schiavo had a life expectancy of only 17 more years.

Woodworth said he and Fox questioned the jury's decision to decrease the award and will discuss with Circuit Judge Phillip Federico whether it is legal.

The couple also sued Mrs. Schiavo's family doctor, Joel Prawer, but Prawer settled earlier this year for an undisclosed amount, Woodworth said.

Michael Schiavo has stayed with his wife and takes care of her, Fox said. He is in nursing school so that he can care for her on his own, Fox said.

"This is the kind of guy whose wedding vows are just that - vows," Fox said. "Ironically, Tuesday (the day of the verdict) was their eighth wedding anniversary."

To Fox, the case represents a larger problem: a dangerous societal pressure placed on women to be thin.

"I think it's important that women who have these eating disorders know the downside. I don't think they know how dangerous it is," he said. - LAURA GRIFFIN

Copyright Times Publishing Co. Nov 12, 1992

Before debate over whether she should die,
Terri Schiavo had a life

ALLEN G. BREED
Associated Press
Posted on Fri, Oct. 24, 2003

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - DIANE MEYER can recall only one time her best friend Terri Schiavo really got angry with her. It was 1981, and it haunts her still.

Excerpts from article on Weight Issue:

Her mother, Mary, says Terri would spend hours in her room, arranging her more than 100 stuffed animals into a private zoo.

Always heavy, Terri hated sports, except horseback riding, which fed her love for animals.

Terri never said anything about her weight, but her mother always sensed it bothered her.

"She cried a lot when she went to get clothes," Mrs. Schindler says.

Terri didn't go to school dances, not even her senior prom.

Instead, she and her friends would go to the movies. Meyer remembers they went to see "An Officer and a Gentleman" four times in one day.

She was a huge fan of the TV show "Starsky and Hutch." Sue Pickwell figures she and Terri wrote hundreds of letters to co-star Paul Michael Glaser, and "I remember the excitement when they finally wrote back, or their people wrote back."

Terri was naive and somewhat gullible. When she couldn't get her Christmas tree to stand up straight one year, her father, Bob, told her to take it back to the lot and have them put it in the "tree straightener."

"She called me about an hour later and said, 'What did you do to me? They all laughed at me.'

"Terri has always been very tenderhearted, especially when it came to animals. She came home crying one night, saying she thought she'd run over a rabbit or squirrel. Knowing she would be devastated if she saw the animal the next day, her brother Bobby went out and threw it in the bushes, then assured Terri he'd found nothing.

When her yellow Labrador collapsed, Terri performed mouth-to-nose resuscitation on him, her mother says."She was puffing away for all she was worth," she says. "He died in her arms."

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Her junior year, Mrs. Schindler took Terri to the doctor to ask about her weight, which had ballooned to over 200 pounds on a 5-3 frame.

The doctor told her Terri would lose the weight when she was ready.

After graduation from Archbishop Wood Catholic School, she was ready. On a structured diet program, she got her weight down to 140 to 150 pounds initially.

"Terri has always been beautiful from the inside out," Meyer says. "And then when she lost all the weight, she really became quite beautiful on the outside as well. What was inside she allowed to shine out at that point."
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Terri enrolled in Bucks County Community College with the goal of working with animals, and there she met Michael Schiavo.

Mrs. Schindler says Terri went head over heels.

"It was the first guy who ever, ever paid any attention to her," she says.
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Meyer says Terri talked about how gorgeous Schiavo was and how he was always telling her she was beautiful.
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He was the "Officer and a Gentleman" to a chubby girl who had lived vicariously through Danielle Steele romances, Meyer believes.
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After a little more than a year of dating, the two were married in 1984. Terri wrote to her favorite entertainer, John Denver, to ask him to sing at her wedding, but he never replied.
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By a year later, Terri had gained a little of her weight back. Meyer says Terri told her that Schiavo had seen her high school graduation picture and warned her "if she ever got fat like that again he'd divorce her."

"I said, 'He's probably kidding,'" she says. "But it was upsetting to her."
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Scott Schiavo, Michael's brother, says it was the Schindlers who rode Terri about her weight. He says her brother sometimes showed one of Terri's old driver's licenses for a laugh.

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In 1986, the couple moved to Florida. Schiavo managed restaurants, and Terri got a clerk's job at an insurance agency.

Mrs. Schindler says Terri began complaining that Schiavo never wanted to go anywhere. When she would go visit her parents or a friend from work, Mrs. Schindler says, Schiavo would check the mileage on her car."She could go to those places," she says. "Any other place, he gave her crap."

Jackie Rhodes, who worked and socialized with Terri, says Schiavo would frequently call his wife at work and leave her in tears. She says she and Terri had each discussed divorcing their husbands and moving in together.

"We actually discussed how much we could afford and where we would want to live," she says.

But Scott Schiavo, Michael's brother, says he wasn't aware of any trouble in the marriage. And when the couple went to his grandmother's funeral, Scott Schiavo says, Terri told him she would not want to be put on a respirator, as the grandmother had been.

"Terri turned around and looked right in my eyes, and I can still see her sitting there on my lefthand side," he recalls, repeating testimony he gave in court. "

'If I'm gone, just let me go.'"Bobby Schindler says his sister began talking about leaving Schiavo in 1989. "She said she wished she had the strength or the energy or the know-how to get a divorce," he says.

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By this time, Terri's weight had dropped below 120 and Mrs. Schindler says she confronted her daughter about how thin she was getting.

Terri's reply: "I eat, Mom. I eat."
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Potassium disorders and heart failure have been linked to anorexia, but the family doesn't think Terri had a real eating disorder. (IN DENIAL-GT)

The day before she collapsed, Terri had complained to her mother that she was having menstrual problems, and that she wasn't satisfied with her doctor. Mrs. Schindler said they'd get together after the weekend and find her a new one.
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SEVERE AND LONG-TERM BULIMIA NERVOSA PROVEN IN 1992 JURY TRIAL. WAS THIS A CONSPIRACY TO!

JUST ASKING EVERONE ELSES OPINION?