Professor Appointed to Probe Schiavo Case

"not only are they passive agressive and illogical, they have really bad grammer most of the time"

LOL! I rather like drlevy's term, "howler trolls." Works perfectly for this bunch. In case you missed my response to him:

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"He is NOT a doctor...he is a TROLL! "
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An open letter to "Normally a Lurker" Please do not post
comments to my reply to "Normally a Lurker" on this
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Re:
"...Her soul is trapped . . . . . in that coffin of a body...."
(a quote, or a very close paraphrase of a comment repeated
by Deep_6 at FR a number of times)...."

"...Isn't it equally possible that Terri's soul in fact parted her
body at the same time that her mind/etc. came to longer exist?..."

I'm an agnostic at heart, and not the theologian I wish I could be;
a dislike of organized religion, with a strong belief in God.

With that said.......

Terri's body is being kept alive artificially, through a life support
system utilizing a feeding apparatus.

I'm not sure what comprises a soul; what it consists of, or where
it goes when the body dies, or if it leaves before the body is dead.

I would like to believe our souls live on, perhaps moving to
another form after we die. A dog perhaps? A cat? Bird? Or another
human body? We may loose all our memories in the process,
but keep some very unique character trait that sets us apart from
others. I suppose it's just a crazy eccentric thought of mine?

Is Terri still inside that shell? The question can be horrifying, if
it is considered that she cannot converse in any manner to let
anyone know she's even alive in there. It would be akin to
being buried alive; in a coffin. If her brain is active; if there can
be proof given that there are brainwaves; thinking, in response
to stimuli that would ordinarily result in voluntary action,
it could be considered that Terri is indeed still in there.

If not.... then I would feel Terri's body is without Terri; that
her soul has moved on.

I posted a number of URLs on another thread, all giving the
clergy's views on the removal of a life support system. I was
surprised that even the Catholic Church condones the removal
of such a system, even when that removal will result in death. It
can be genuinely surmised, that the church does not condone
the medical profession using artificial means to sustain a life
when it's time has come due. Sustaining life until a remedy
can be achieved is absolutely acceptable, but sustaining life beyond
the time that any recovery is possible, is fighting our Lord's
wishes.

Do I believe soul and mind are one and the same? Yes. I suppose
I do. It's our inner thoughts and feelings that is our soul.

We refer to those without feelings; without remorse or care,
as "soul less" individuals.

Does Terri's body still contain her soul? Perhaps. If so,
it must be hell for her. She deserves better.

Thanks.

She certainly deserves better your perception of reality, you Cretin (read Troll). Oh I forgot you don't read these threads.

Don't know if this was posted yet re: Wolfson. It is from another board on the net:

The real kicker! OMG!!!!!!!
I've been doing my homework all afternoon and evening on the internet...and guess what I've found??? (this may or may not be news to you guys, so bear with me if not)

I did some digging into this Wolfson character to see if there was anything on him or previous research dealing with hospice care...and the stuff is all over the web! He is INTIMATELY linked with the hospice that Terri is in as I type!!!

He works for the University of Southern Florida (USF) which has a direct connection to the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast! Not only are they both on all of the same organizational lists, but the University of South Florida website AND the Hospice's website actually give information on 'continuing professional education' to be held November 6th by the University of South Florida's Center for Hospice, Palliative Care and End-of-Life Studies --- guess where it is being held????????? You got it! The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast!

Here's the link from the hospice's website: (notice the website link at the end of this...and then look at Wolfson's e-mail addy that I gave you guys earlier.

"THE CENTER FOR HOSPICE, PALLIATIVE CARE & END-OF-LIFE STUDIES at The University of South Florida will be presenting "Charting the Course in End-of-Life Care: From Research to Policy and Practice" on November 6, 2003 at the Tampa Airport Marriott Hotel, Tampa Florida. The conference will be jointly sponsored by The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, Inc., The University of South Florida, LifePath Hospice and Palliative Care, and H. Lee Moffitt Cancer Center & Research Institute. The overall purpose of the planned conference is to bring together clinicians, researchers, and policy makers from around the country to collaborate and discuss a research agenda for end-of-life studies that builds on existing state-of-the-art advances that is responsive to the needs of care providers and national and regional policy makers. For additional information on this conference or to register online, please visit the website at www.cme.hsc.usf.edu/eol.
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Check this link out!
hsc.usf.edu/publicaffairs/hot/endoflife.html
Here's the headline and the last paragraph - make sure to go read the rest of it, but be ready to scream!

Headline:
"New USF center partners with region's hospices to improve end-of-life care for patients and families"

Last paragraph:
"The symposium was sponsored by the USF College of Medicine, LifePath Hospice and Palliative Care, and The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast."

www.fcoa.org/orgnlinks/orgnlinks.html

LINKS HERE FOR USF (=WOLFSON!) and for the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast! Both are Organizational Members of the 'Florida Council on Aging'

Also, this link:
hsc.usf.edu/publichealth/eoh/jwolfson/research.html

That is on the USF website - the faculty pages of jay Wolfson - then I clicked on "Research" to see what he was working on...this was the first thing that came up - it's an active research project that he received a grant for!:

"SUNCOAST Developmental Center for Patient Safety Evaluation and Research
Jay Wolfson, DrPH, JD, Director
jwolfson@hsc.usf.edu"

AND check this out!
I found this .pdf file which lists contributors (major ones, I might add) to the Univ of SF...guess who is on the list! Not only Dr Jay Wolfson...but also The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast!!!!

www.giving.usf.edu/5-people/HonorRoll_Report.pdf

This is RIDICULOUS!!!!! I'm stumped as to our options now. Obviously writing to this man is going to accomplish ZILCH! I've been so upset over this tonight, I just want to fly down to Florida and do some major damage control!!!!!! *vents majorly*

And just to add insult to injury, I also found these pages pertaining to wrong-doings and lawsuits re: the hospice...

www.hospicepatients.org/Hosp-FL-Suncoast-Cmplnt.html

www.hospicepatients.org/is-the-hospice-A-faithful-Steward-of-Donations.html

To Wit:

The following information taken from the public record is provided for informational purposes only. HPA leaves the determination of the facts in the case to the court.

The Plaintiff, Fluffy Cazalas is a resident of South Pasadena, Pinellas County, Florida, and a former employee of the Defendants, as well as a contributor/donor. The Defendants, although engaged in good and laudatory work and endeavors, have unfortunately violated Florida law by funneling contributions intended for charitable and eleemosynary purposes into a for-profit software company, Suncoast Solutions, without disclosing to contributors and donors the diversion of funds to the software company. In addition, the fact that the software company is and has been operating at a loss and will continue operating at a loss in the foreseeable future, has not been disclosed to the contributors or donors either. Also, unfortunately, the software company has disseminated private and confidential patient and employee data, including information regarding patients with HIV, employee names and identifiers and other confidential and private data.

So..... although the Hospice was "engaged in good and laudatory work and endeavors",
they used the cash flow to invest in another venture that may or may not be of legal issue.
That is: patient information may or may not have been released to sources other than
those entitled to it.. That is what was claimed; not proven.

And? It's a non-profit organization that utilizes Judges, lawyers, medical practitioners,
and a bevy of resources whose list is likely endless. Big deal. It means nothing.

More innuendos and red herring. You people complain about "trolls" distracting
readers from the truth.... And a post like this went unquestioned?

What's happened to FR? Is Jim Rob selling tin foil on the side?

Hi there, Harv...

I'll readily admit there are a great many messages I haven't seen, so forgive me if I repeat questions previously asked.

How do you have supposed "inside" information into the Terri Schiavo's case? The suggestion that you are a private investigator doesn't count, my friend. Were did you supposedly obtain this information?

I'll look forward to your reply and apologize to all others if I have asked a question already answered.

CarrieK

Hi, FLe. Thanks for your posts -- these questions and key concepts still remain. Here's hoping and praying that this info is brought back into community consciousness. The same community that was so warmly supportive of Michael, Terri and her family in their time of need.

Vickie Chachere of Tampa just did an AP article in the past on the Guatanamo detainees . . .

Terri Schiavo is also a detainee, worse yet, a U.S. citizen without rights.

H'mmm.