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What the Hell Happened? (FBI Shoots Eagle Scout, then shuts up.
WBAL Baltimore - Ron Smith's page ^ | March 4, 2002 | Ron Smith

Posted on 03/04/2002 1:06:48 PM PST by jackbill

The shooting of a 20-year-old Anne Arundel County man, by an FBI agent Friday evening screams for explanation, yet there isn't one given us. How come?

Joseph Charles Schultz of Orchard Beach was shot in the face with a round from an M4 assault rifle after the car in which he was riding, driven by his 16-year-old girlfriend, was pulled over on Fort Smallwood Road near Marley Neck Boulevard by FBI plainclothes agents in unmarked cars. He's in serious condition, wondering why representatives of the federal government so grievously injured him.

We do know the G-Men were looking for a bank robbery suspect. We don't know anything more, though we can assume the stop that resulted in the shooting was a case of mistaken identity. The FBI and local law enforcement officials have simply refused to discuss any of the details.

They wouldn't comment yesterday on how this mistake happened, why Krissy Harkum?s car was targeted, or what bank robbery was involved in the incident. They won't say who the FBI agent was or what his status is after the shooting.

The Baltimore Sun account this morning also reported that neither the FBI nor Anne Arundel County police could say how long the investigation into this incident will take.

Was it an accident? Did the rifle-toting agent who did the shooting have any reason to pull the trigger? Did he (or she) accidentally discharge the weapon? Was the wounding of Mr. Schultz an accident, an unfortunate response to some movement he might have made, or a crime?

Maybe some day we'll have a better idea, maybe not. The FBI says it won't comment as long as the investigation continues. Or, I would maintain, until they can figure out some ?plausible deniability.? Local cops are held to a high standard of accountability for misconduct, while any number of cases in recent years, such as the bloody end to the siege of the Branch Davidians in Waco and the killing of Randy Weaver's wife and son at Ruby Ridge, both by FBI assault teams, have tended to fuel suspicions that federal agents can do to us whatever they damned well please.

Who knows, they might conclude that the wounding of this Eagle Scout was just another case of collateral damage in the war on terrorism. We eagerly await some answers.


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To: Dane
"Let this case go to court, I am sure the ACLU will do this one pro-bono(free) and that the lawyer will not ask for a 40% contigency fee for any judgement or settlement./sarcasm"

Closer than you think. The real money is in 42 USC 1988's reasonable attorney fee, which will probably exceed the judgment.

Especially if the victim becomes the lead plaintiff in a class action injunctive relief petition to make the FBI adopt a big state firearms use policy. Don't get mad, get even.

161 posted on 03/04/2002 3:17:25 PM PST by Thud
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To: _Jim
- hoping that all will be forgotten and swept under the bureaucratic rug?

Operating on the principle that past behavior is the best guide to future behavior...

I would guess they're trying to figure out a way to do just that.

162 posted on 03/04/2002 3:18:39 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
You point out a big part of the problem, they have forgotten who they work for. It's going be rough when we have to fire them.
163 posted on 03/04/2002 3:18:58 PM PST by FSPress
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To: Dane
An anti-cop orgy thread.

Not quite . . .

Here is what Joseph Schultz used to look like, just in case you're curious . . .

Pray that your own son or daughter never has to go through this. . .

164 posted on 03/04/2002 3:22:26 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: zoyd; Dane
I'll give you a dollar if you can post a reply without the word 'libertarian' in it.

Guys, Besides which, Ron Smith is not a libertarian. He's more conservative than that, and more of an individualist. He bemoans the difference in the ratio of growth between corporate executive salaries, and salaries of the working stiff in the same corporation. The BEST talk radio personality on the air, bar none. But, he kisses nobody's ass, so he'll never be "great" in the sense of Rush Limbaugh. Peace and love, George.

165 posted on 03/04/2002 3:23:43 PM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: Thud
Closer than you think. The real money is in 42 USC 1988's reasonable attorney fee, which will probably exceed the judgment.

Especially if the victim becomes the lead plaintiff in a class action injunctive relief petition to make the FBI adopt a big state firearms use policy. Don't get mad, get even.

Ah yes the trial lawyer chimes in. Do you plan on becoming FR's resident trial lawyer or does that get in the way of you chasing ambulances?

166 posted on 03/04/2002 3:23:51 PM PST by Dane
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To: 2sheep; jackbill; all
When Reno/Castro goons sent Elian back to the Cuban gulag, Little Havana had peaceful protests. A doctor was in his office in Little Havana watching out his office window as 4 policemen grabbed a sign from a young man standing on the sidewalk, tore up the sign, started kicking him and hitting him in the stomach until he was doubled over and they started kicking his head. The doctor watched in shock as liquid started coming out of the young man's ear. He ran out yelling at the cops, "Hey you're going to kill him, stop! I'm a medical doctor" They told him he better get back in his office or he would be next. He told them he was going inside and calling the radio station and the police, which he did. I don't know the outcome of the young man because the doctor who was interviewed, said they took him away in the police car before the doctor could get him any help.

An 80 plus year old grandmother who was peacefully protesting on the sidewalk was handcuffed to the parking meter for three hours. Tear gas was thrown in the face of little girls (unarmed little girls FYI). A decorated Vietnam vet and daughter of Bay of Pigs vet were walking out of a restaurant, not even aware that there was a demonstration going on. A cop grabbed the woman daughter of Bay of Pigs vet and flung her against the restaurant window, breaking her nose. There's more, but you get the idea. Even policemen were calling the radio stations anonymously complaining about their fellow cops' brutality.

167 posted on 03/04/2002 3:26:22 PM PST by Prodigal Daughter
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To: mercy
And now the fed thugs are frisking 80 year old grannies and feeling up little girls so they can claim diversity profiling.

Even the local police officers have been getting a little more militarized. Last November, a 16 year old girl here was frisked for weapons before her car was searched for drugs and weapons. They found nothing and she had been stopped only for not wearing a seatbelt. I was stopped the next week by an extremely rude State Patrol officer for the same horrible offense (no seat belt - mine was broken). When I attempted to demonstrate the broken seatbelt, I was thrown into the vehicle next to me and knocked to the ground. I later spoke to someone at the police department who explained that they were being careful because of the War on Terrorism. I didn't accept the excuse. I hope the Eagle Scout recovers.
168 posted on 03/04/2002 3:26:34 PM PST by Maurice Tift
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To: _Jim
"Just what do you suppose they're doing with the time since the accident -
- hoping that all will be forgotten and swept under the bureaucratic rug?"

_J, Without a doubt. Peace and love, George.

169 posted on 03/04/2002 3:27:23 PM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: Dane
I never thought I'd see the day that a member of Free Republic would defend the FBI shooting innocent people in the face. You should be ashamed.
170 posted on 03/04/2002 3:27:30 PM PST by Blade
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To: jackbill
"What the Hell Happened? "

Well, nothing right happened...poor training in felony stop procedures...poor/lack of training in firearms handling and marksmanship...irresponsibility of the LEO(s) involved and irresponsiblity of the Supervisors that approve this LEO for duty.

If it's a felony stop why approach the felony vehicle ?

There must be a felony stop procedure (?)...driver out, hands up walk backwards...lay down...hands out, palms up...passenger out...

Why approach the vehicle if you fear the occupants are armed and dangerous ?

By approaching the vehicle you give up your cover/concealment which puts you and your partner in danger.

Approaching the vehicle also raises the stress level for everyone involved making it more likely an incident might occur that could escalate...such as this one.

I believe there is no excuse for this shooting...

171 posted on 03/04/2002 3:27:58 PM PST by in the Arena
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To: Prodigal Daughter
Miami - home of the police practice of waffling.
172 posted on 03/04/2002 3:28:14 PM PST by FSPress
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To: Have Ruck - Will Travel
Hmm, I seem to have misread Ajnin's intent in his earlier post. Sounds nothing like what he is posting now.
173 posted on 03/04/2002 3:28:36 PM PST by Have Ruck - Will Travel
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To: Thud
As a Fed, I can tell you that not all Federal Agents lie. Not all Federal Agents commit crimes and then go unpunished. There are Feds that speak out for what is right and then are summarily punished. I think there some here that have far to bleak a picture of federal law enforcement without even knowing anything about it.
174 posted on 03/04/2002 3:28:47 PM PST by Ajnin
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To: _Jim
Just what do you suppose they're doing with the time since the accident -

- hoping that all will be forgotten and swept under the bureaucratic rug?

Could you share with us anything, ANYTHING that they are doing during the three days following this "incident" other than doing their damndest to cover it up?

Why are they refusing to identify the shooter? Why are they refusing to identify the "perp"? Why are they refusing to tell us which bank was supposedly robbed? Why are they refusing to tell us the identifying characteristics of the getaway car - or the perp? Why are they saying absolutely nothing except "We shot the wrong person"?

I'm waiting.

175 posted on 03/04/2002 3:30:56 PM PST by jackbill
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To: bvw
Murderers on the Federal payroll.

You are wrong. Nobody was killed.

176 posted on 03/04/2002 3:31:04 PM PST by ironman
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To: Blade
I never thought I'd see the day that a member of Free Republic would defend the FBI shooting innocent people in the face. You should be ashamed.

Uh I am not defending anything. I am voicing my criticism of those who will use an unfortunate incident and use hyperbole to make political points. Just like the gun grabbers do and Clinton did.

177 posted on 03/04/2002 3:31:10 PM PST by Dane
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To: Ajnin
As a Fed, I can tell you that not all Federal Agents lie.

Gee everybody. I guess we'd better count our blessings and be grateful that not all Federal Agents lie!

178 posted on 03/04/2002 3:33:25 PM PST by Blade
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To: Dane
Ah yes the trial lawyer chimes in. Do you plan on becoming FR's resident trial lawyer or does that get in the way of you chasing ambulances?

You're a really persistent piece of Dreck aren't you?

179 posted on 03/04/2002 3:34:51 PM PST by jackbill
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To: _Jim
Exactly. Hopefully the poor unidentified agents will soon forgive Mr. No-Face for all the trouble to which he's putting them. Sure old no-face "erred", but hey, no hard feelings no-face?
180 posted on 03/04/2002 3:36:07 PM PST by Melinator
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