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Video: We CANNOT Trust These Christian Leaders Anymore
PatriotandLiberty ^ | 6/23 | Ken Ham

Posted on 06/26/2023 1:28:24 AM PDT by spirited irish

We CANNOT trust these popular Christian leaders anymore. In this video, Ken Ham reacts to and exposes several well-known Christian leaders who abandoned God’s Word and tried to defend an old universe and evolution.

(Excerpt) Read more at patriotandliberty.com ...


TOPICS: Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: apostate; christian; compromise; evolution; leaders
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To: xenia
"What makes sense to me is that there is a period of time between verse 1 and 2."

Welcome to "the gap" theory.

21 posted on 06/26/2023 6:19:42 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: spirited irish

Many of these pastors are ‘children of the bondwoman’. Galatioans 4:31


22 posted on 06/26/2023 6:21:10 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: Just mythoughts

The ‘days’ of creation were thousands of years….

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Context disproves that assertion.

The word for day can mean an indeterminate span or era,,

unless the context defines it differently and actually gives a description of the day as is used in genesis chapter one in seven places.

Gen 1:5 - And God called

the light Day,

and the darkness he called Night.

And

the evening and the morning

were the first day.

Gen 1 to 31

Each day of the week of creation

is self identified as

a day , light,
and a night , dark

A 24 hour day/night. light/cycle.


23 posted on 06/26/2023 6:29:15 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: spirited irish

The Universe IS Old, but evolution is fake.


24 posted on 06/26/2023 6:35:11 AM PDT by G Larry (It is RACIST to impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants by importing Cheap ILLEGAL Labor!)
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To: spirited irish

People misread the Bible.

When the six days of creation starts, the earth was already here. The “six day” creation period starts later.

Does anyone really think that there was never such a thing as light until Genesis 1:3.

Darkness was referred to in Genesis 1:1 which presupposes the concept of light. So whatever the process was, the darkness was dispelled — on Earth — because the whole universe is inky black darkness except when you encounter a star.

God did not create the land, he just rearranged it, etc. He created it in bygone eras, commanding (ordaining) a process billions of years ago. He gets down to the literal act of creation in that six day period when life forms are brought forth.

The first chapter of Genesis is strictly a sweeping literary endeavor to introduce God into history with his creation of mankind. It is not an attempt to explain, scientifically, the nuts and bolts of creation.


25 posted on 06/26/2023 6:36:02 AM PDT by odawg
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To: cuz1961

If one likes to nerd out on physics the best audio to nerd put on is Chuck Misslers Genesis commentary.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sdykALJ1hkY

No puedo science from Chuck.
Just..

Real
Old fashioned
Fact based

Science.


26 posted on 06/26/2023 6:41:45 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: who knows what evil?

Can you tell us who they are so we don’t have to watch the video?


27 posted on 06/26/2023 6:42:24 AM PDT by Joann37
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To: spirited irish

Can you tell us who they are so we don’t have to watch the video?


28 posted on 06/26/2023 6:42:52 AM PDT by Joann37
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To: odawg

God did not create the land, he just rearranged it, etc.

/\

Who created the land for him to rearrange ?

Why would

a God

have to rearrange ?

Verses 1:1 through 1:5 show the earth was created day one.

Psuedo science/exegesis

Vs

Real science / exegesis

hermeneutics, it’s a real thing.


29 posted on 06/26/2023 6:53:58 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: Joann37

If one likes to nerd out on physics the best audio to nerd put on is Chuck Misslers Genesis commentary.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sdykALJ1hkY

No puedo science from Chuck.
Just..

Real
Old fashioned
Fact based

Science.

//

Dr.Chuck Missler . Right there in the post.

Chuck was a naval officer, an engineer,

ran a company that provided some computer stuff for the b1 ( or b2?) bomber

and was a Calvary Chapel preacher.

The Whole genesis commentary is hours long. Mostly how science proves genesis account.

It clears up the mis teachings masquerading as science and exegesis.


30 posted on 06/26/2023 7:00:00 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: Joann37

Can you tell us who they are so we don’t have to watch the video?

?

Telling you his name doesn’t convey the facts in the videos,.,

,, so I don’t understand your logic in the question.

.


31 posted on 06/26/2023 7:03:55 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: cuz1961

“Who created the land for him to rearrange ?”

Misread the Bible so you also misread my post. I mentioned in the post that he created the Earth in bygone eras. The six-day creation starts AFTER the Earth is described, as some say it was destroyed during Satan’s rebellion. It does not say, I will create dry land, it says he will gather the dry land. It does not say he will create water, it says he divides the water that was already here before the six days started.

I did not mention science at all as operative in the creation.


32 posted on 06/26/2023 7:06:46 AM PDT by odawg
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To: circlecity

It makes sense to me from what I read and see. If that is the gap theory....then that is how it looks to me.

Could God create it all in finished form at once. I suppose so, but did He?

We don’t have to all agree on this.

Because some like me think that the earth is older than 6,000 years does not mean that we believe in evolution.

Evolution is ridiculous.


33 posted on 06/26/2023 7:19:21 AM PDT by xenia ( “The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it” George Orwell)
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To: spirited irish

The Bible clearly says that death entered the world through sin. - Adam’s sin.

Therefore, to a real Bible-believing Christian, “evolution” wouldn’t be possible as it involves much time and much death over time..

Nice theory, but only possibly possible without God.


34 posted on 06/26/2023 7:19:45 AM PDT by joethedrummer (We can't vote our way out of this, folks..)
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To: odawg

he created the Earth in bygone eras.

//

Did I misread your post , or did you just forget to capitalize He.

It says in verse 1

He created in the beggining,,,

not

He created in the bygone era(s)

Exegesis isn’t your strong point, but that’s okay , keep working on it and I wish you the best.


35 posted on 06/26/2023 7:28:21 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: xenia

The gap theory has been debated extensively. You can find many arguments both for and against it. I am keeping an open mind. I still prefer the argument that God created a fully mature universe. It just looks billions of years old.


36 posted on 06/26/2023 7:31:20 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity

Was the first Bristlecone Pine created with all it’s rings?

Or just one?


37 posted on 06/26/2023 7:34:01 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob
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To: Scrambler Bob

I was created “of its kind” ie. with enough genetic information to allow it to evolve to deal with an ever changing environment. Not random mutation. I think all the useful genetic information that ever has or ever will exist has been there from the beginning in the biosphere.


38 posted on 06/26/2023 7:36:47 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Scrambler Bob

Now I see your what you meant. With all its rings would be my answer.


39 posted on 06/26/2023 7:37:31 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Scrambler Bob

all it’s rings

/

Fun fact.

Some ‘ facts’ aren’t.

Tree rings, 1 per year, myth.

As a silviculturist, I learned that trees can have more than 1 growth cycle/ ring in a year.

a tree can sometimes make two growth rings in a season if conditions are very dry in the early part of the year followed by heavy rains in the summer and a late fall.

“Scientists” play the same game with ice melt layers to gauge time.

The layers are freeze thaw cycles, and that can happen multiple times in one day.

Same game with erosion / depth to determine age of dirt.

Their errosion rate was based on a study of niagrafalls , and that estimated amount of errosion per year has since been shown to be way off.


40 posted on 06/26/2023 7:47:58 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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