Posted on 10/07/2015 6:27:23 PM PDT by marshmallow
Fr. Krzystof Charamsa's back story includes a running battle with the popular Fr. Dariusz Oko, a professor of theology at Krakow’s Pontifical University of Saint John Paul II
On Saturday, October 3, curial official Father Krzystof Charamsa, 43, gave a press conference to the Italian media to celebrate his homosexuality and to introduce his lover Eduardo. The “coming out party” was staged on the eve of the Synod on the Family, thus attracting international attention. Fr. Charamsa was promptly dismissed from his posts.
A priest of the Polish diocese of Pelplin, Fr. Charamsa has spent the past 17 years in Rome. He completed doctoral studies in theology at the Pontifical Gregorian University in 2002 and began to work for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 2003. In 2004, he was hired to teach by the Pontifical Athanaeum Regina Apostolarum, where he enjoyed a reputation as a conservative, and in 2009 by the Gregorian. In 2008 Fr. Charamsa was appointed an honorary chaplain to Benedict XVI.
Despite this glittering career, Fr. Charamsa was largely unknown in his native Poland until this September 29 when he attacked a famous Polish theologian, Father Dariusz Oko, in the pages of the Catholic magazine Tygodnik Powszechny (“Universal Weekly”). Fr. Oko, a professor of theology at Krakow’s Pontifical University of Saint John Paul II, is best known for his 2012 essay “With the Pope against Homoheresy”. Fr. Oko’s thesis was that there is a widespread homosexual underground in the Church—including Poland—which makes it very difficult for seminarians and priests to protest sexual abuse. In his attack, entitled “Theology and Violence: the Case of Father Oko”, Fr. Charamsa—speaking as a member of the CDF—accused his subject of employing violent hate speech. He also criticized the Polish episcopate.
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I am not a Catholic, but your statement is precisely correct! Hebrews 9:27
They think God’s a joke. Being a priest is just a job to them. They just don’t care.
So once he got to Rome, he went native. Just like people from Europe and Great Britain come here and go native. For some reason, people seem to gravitate towards the lowest common denominator of the culture when they move to another country - rather than the best. Why is that I wonder?
They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
- 2 Thessalonians 2
A huge amount of energy and time is spent lying about evil. When people start to live evil lives, they don't just claim they love evil - they lie about it, and claim it is good. And a huge amount of HOW they do that is by hiding in the grey areas and shadows of their environment, their culture, their language, all of the things they hold in common with other natives.
When they go to another country, that infrastructure is gone. They don't know the lay of the land yet, so to speak. They can't blend in cuturally, because they don't really know the nuances of the culture yet, where the grey areas are that they can hide in.
So they just act as they really are. The new culture, the new country, doesn't change them - they are merely exposed for what they already turned themselves into. Think of a predatory animal with a camoflauged winter coat going to a summer climate, before they can shed their coat. They're still a predator.
There is something about some priests and preachers in term of narcissism, and it is to see them taken care of by their congregants like they are little children, completely spoiled. It is ridiculous.
I don’t think you know much about him. He actually studied at the Legionaries of Christ seminary - this was the group founded by the odious Father Maciel, who was a polyfacetd sexual abuser who had several women but also abused young men and boys, including his own son - while at the same time building a religious order that was supposed t be known for its orthodoxy. The Polish priest met his paramour, a Catalan seminarian at the time, at the Legionaries’ seminary.
But Pope JPII protected Maciel (who was Mexican), probably because he thought the order was orthodox and maybe he didn’t believe the reports about Macel’s misdeeds. But as JPII grew weaker, Ratzinger started cracking down on Maciel, and virtually his first act as Pope was to remove Maciel from the priesthood and send him to the equivalent of a monastic jail. Maciel died shortly afterwards.
But I think the forces behind Maciel, which obviously Imcluded some Poles, were probably in alliance with the forces that had wanted to elect Bergoglio, and they were the ones who somehow forced out BXVI (possibly by threatening to blacken the name of JPII).
The people get whipped more than the Monks themselves!
It should be them showing the way of humility.
I always think of a line from the novel The Jewel and the Crown in which a middle class Englishwoman living in India berates a working class Englishwoman by saying: “India has been very bad for you.” Out of England, the working class woman had forgotten her place.
And I think America - here I’m thinking of the British father of this Oregon killer - was very bad for him. And Rome was very bad for this evil priest.
If this priest had stayed in Poland, I don’t think he would have fallen so far so quickly. People tend to keep it together in a conservative culture. After all, look what happened to Catholics after Vatican 2. That is simply my opinion.
I’ve seen too many foreigners come to America and become the worst of what our civilization has to offer. Not everyone mind you but a lot. And that also is my opinion.
If you read the article, you’ll see how right you are. He says it was a job and now what is he going to do? He says he can’t work in a shop. This guy is evil and needs a major slap down. Worst than Jim McGreevey!
You can carve out your own life, in our society, as long as you follow our laws.
What you can't do, is force other people to include/approve of you into membership in private religious organizations, under color of law.
And whether or not any particular religious group “approves” of you or not, what you can't do is commit crimes we, as in the various States and as a Nation, have enacted into law.
I am entirely disinterested in the personal sexual orientation of any Catholic priest, nor do I care if they abide by the strictures of their Catholic doctrine.
OTOH, I am very interested in individuals and organizations operating in the USA, religious or not, that as a group conspire to commit/conceal crimes, not limited to sexual crimes, but especially the sex crimes against minor children. Our laws are not set up to punish religious heretics, but we do have laws that are supposed to apply to everyone, religious or not, against acts we deem criminal.
Now we’re up to *violent* hate speech?
I can’t roll my eyes hard enough.....
I’m more impressed with your ridiculous stance that the word “American” is PC and generic. You do realize that there are people in this country and abroad who do not like that word because it “excludes” Canadians and Mexicans who live on the American continent? I now even refuse to refer to my home as “The States” when I’m in England - I am an American and I live in America. Anyone who doesn’t like those words can get stuffed.
“I now even refuse to refer to my home as “The States” when I’m in England - I am an American and I live in America. Anyone who doesn’t like those words can get stuffed.”
PREACH IT, SISTER!
I say I’m from Texas.
Priests are just like ordinary people, with the same urges. While it is true that the majority of them take their vows of celibacy seriously, it is also true that the majority of them are also very good and charitable who only want to serve God and their fellowmen.
My grandmother’s dream was for me to become a priest so I went to an orientation in a seminary for a weekend. I quickly realized the life was not for me. I still stayed very active in the church, was a sakristan (altar boy) and gave the First Reading when I would travel with the parish priests as they made their rounds to the numerous churches and chapels in the different barangays (city/town communities).
Working closely with our three priests made me realize that they were good men who meant well and tried to make the lives of their parishioners better, but they all had weaknesses that would cause them to be kicked out of the ministry if they did it in other countries.
Still, for the most part, they made everyone’s lives better. I heard horror stories of how some priests in Latin America wouldn’t officiate funerals without the family paying them. That sin I never saw during the two years I volunteered with the priests in my hometown.
I am a USA citizen.
Not a Canadian, and not a Mexican.
It seems to irritate you that I'm a rational USA nationalist.
America is a really vast continent.
There exists a North, Central and South America...and I am heartily sick of globalist idiots thinking that the many nations on this continent are one united body of nations.
We are not, demonstrably.
You can take your poisonous, ignorant, NWO opinion of my staunch USA citizenry stance, and stuff it where the sun don't shine!
I didn't spend my time in the USAF for a generic America, I served my nation, the USA!
If you are Canadian, you are not from “The States”.
If you are Mexican, you are not from “The States”.
Just like Honduras, Chile, Peru, Brazil, Cuba, Columbia, etc(must I name ALL of them?)
I'm thankfull you don't refer to yourself as from “The States” when you are in England.
Since you don't seem to comprehend who you actually are...less confusion all around, LOL!
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