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Pope Francis to UN delegation: “legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the State”
WDTPRS ^ | May 9, 2014 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 05/09/2014 1:56:14 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 05/09/2014 1:56:14 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Fr. Z weighs in on the pope’s address today. The media are already spinning this like a top. Ping!


2 posted on 05/09/2014 1:57:09 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3154055/posts


3 posted on 05/09/2014 1:59:31 PM PDT by PapaNew
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4 posted on 05/09/2014 2:02:11 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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Argentine and Jesuit.


5 posted on 05/09/2014 2:03:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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yo Francis !

You first! just let me redistribute all the churches riches as I see fit and then we'll talk about letting the governments of the world redistributes the riches of everyone else.

6 posted on 05/09/2014 2:03:43 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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The Pope is not an economist. In this case he is not speaking about matters of faith and morals. I will ignore what he has to say on this subject.


7 posted on 05/09/2014 2:03:54 PM PDT by forgotten man
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The demonic Left’s new best friend.

The forums are buzzing with leftists touting “God’s new message to conservatives.” They are ecstatic (as if anything any pope said means a hill of beans to any fundamentalist Christian.)

So, he’s now a “gay” socialist.


8 posted on 05/09/2014 2:04:04 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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This guy has been irritating me for a long time. If America followed the Pope’s prescription, we and the entire world would be living in squalor. Bob


9 posted on 05/09/2014 2:06:25 PM PDT by alstewartfan (Down the legions of years the invaders have taken this land And bent you to their will. Al Stewart)
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IMHO, “legitimate” income distributionby the state is equally legitimate as is “legitimate” rape.


10 posted on 05/09/2014 2:10:36 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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IMO,Jesus made it very clear,more than once,that charitable works are expected of His followers.So it seems to me that,when it comes to matters related to money and the "poor",Christ was basically a socialist.But I don't recall Him ever having said that "charity" should be exacted by government officials at the risk of punishment.

I know I'll be judged by Him,in among other ways,by the "charity" I show to the less fortunate.I also know that I will not be harshly judged by Him because of my opposition to government attempts to redistribute wealth in the way Osama Obama,and many other Marxist politicians worldwide,have tried to do.

11 posted on 05/09/2014 2:11:50 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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” I disagree “by the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the State, “

This pope appears to be a communist in a white cassock.

Mt 20:15
New International Version
Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

New Living Translation
Is it against the law for me to do what I want with my money? Should you be jealous because I am kind to others?’

GOD’S WORD® Translation
Can’t I do what I want with my own money? Or do you resent my generosity towards others?’

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my business? Are you jealous because I’m generous?’

International Standard Version
I am allowed to do what I want with my own money, am I not? Or are you envious because I’m generous?’


12 posted on 05/09/2014 2:12:25 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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The media are already spinning this like a top.

Really, no spinning is necessary.

13 posted on 05/09/2014 2:12:51 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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I won’t.

Pope’s a commie, and it’s been obvious for some time now.

It isn’t wise to ignore commies in our midst. We can see quite clearly where that has gotten us.


14 posted on 05/09/2014 2:15:56 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Argentine and Jesuit."

Bingo!

15 posted on 05/09/2014 2:16:40 PM PDT by redhead (NO GROUND TO THE DEVIL! Remember BENGHAZI!! Use Weaponized Prayer)
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Will Some gaucho please throw a bola around this pope?


16 posted on 05/09/2014 2:24:29 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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Since I do not have any serious agrement with the the views of the Roman Catholic faith as the powers or responsibilities of the Pope I will just take his view as with any other world leader, that of a person in power agreeing that the state may take MORE from some to give to others by the age old doctrine of MIGHT makes Right. One that I happen to not agree with.

His position on abortion I do agree with by the way, based on the biblical events where the pre birth children were seen as people.


17 posted on 05/09/2014 2:30:19 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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I recommend reading Ed Morrisey’s Hot Air blog on this new Papal Comment. Ed makes a very good point that the Pope is talking about Zacchaeus who decides to spend HIS own money. And that It is NOT a call for the government to tax and spend our money.

Ed closes with this statement: “ It’s clear, though, that he wasn’t calling for widespread and massive confiscation of wealth by governments. In fact, the story of Zacchaeus points out the dangers and injustice that result from that kind of policy.”

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/09/pope-francis-zacchaeus-and-legitimate-redistribution/


18 posted on 05/09/2014 2:32:40 PM PDT by GreyFriar ( Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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the POPE doesn’t not Represent 100% of catholics when he encourages government redistribution....he is BLATANTLY POLITICAL


19 posted on 05/09/2014 2:34:13 PM PDT by Understand the stimulus
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“IMO,Jesus made it very clear,more than once,that charitable works are expected of His followers.So it seems to me that,when it comes to matters related to money and the “poor”,Christ was basically a socialist.”

How so ?
2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. NASB

John 12:8
“For you always have the poor with you, but you do not always have Me.

As far as contracts and labor Christ spoke in parable far against the socialist dictum of from each is ability and to each his need..

Matthew 20:1-16
As each was paid what was agreed not what was “fair” in the socialist sense but what was FAIR the contract agreed to by the workers

Even Ananias selling HIS property was free to give or not to the Church his error was in saying that he would give all and then being shown to not have don so. Acts 5:1

It is true that charity shall cover a multitude of sins (KV) but Socialism is compelled and in now way charitable but force.

As with all Biblical matters it is my hope that I have not misrepresented them in any way.


20 posted on 05/09/2014 2:46:51 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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