Posted on 05/09/2014 1:56:14 PM PDT by NYer
that should read in NO way not.. (in NOW way) sorry for error
On economic issues my Pope is a Marxist, and I disagree and will ignore him.
Thank you for the post and ping! The msm and low information voters are unfamiliar with Zacchaeus, much less anything else in scripture, and can only interpret (spin) his words according to their secularist understanding of life.
You can see, by the comments posted to this thread, just how pervasive this ignorance has become.
LOLWHUT?
Charity has *nothing* to do with socialism, FRiend. If anything, socialist/communist redistribution takes away the responsibility of charity from the individual, and grants it to the state in the form of redistribution. It would be good for you to study the matter in order to discern the difference...
Yes,I understand that.Perhaps,in my post,I should have included the *real* definition,and the Marxist definition, of both those words in order to set the stage for my basic point.
The only legitimate redistribution of wealth by the State is through fair taxation towards services that benefit all the residents. All may not benefit equally but all share some of the benefits. An example would be roads and parks.
But taking wealth from one person to create income for another is not a legitimate act of the State. Not because it is a bad idea for governments to have policies to eradicate poverty but because it never works. The amount of government power and interference is people’s lives that would be required to make it work is unacceptable to any freedom loving people.
Economics does indeed have a moral dimension. We call it charity which is not the same as redistribution.
This Pope is simply stating the position of the Church since its founding.
To those whose political views have replaced/supplanted their faith then a bit of prayer may come in handy.
To those who have neither lost their faith nor their political view..a bit of prayer may come in handy.
For everyone else who cares..
And not a word about the liberty-destroying evils of the dirigente State--- let alone a global superstate.
Bafflegab. And of course, it usually amounts to seizing the wages from wage-earners in rich countries, to give it to rich people in poor countries. It's not even good for "the poor." :o/
I agree with your post # 18. Very good point. Redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor leaves everyone poor — except the government honchos.
LEGITIMATE REDISTRIBUTION’ OF WEALTH BY THE STATE IS AN OXIMORON.
Argentinean pope Francis has frequently lashed out at the injustices of capitalism and the global economic system that excludes so much of humanity.
Isnt it a fact that the countries that exclude the capitalistic system are so poor for just that reason? Even Communist China, by embracing capitalism, is becoming an economic super power and has begun eliminating the famines and abject poverty endemic to it for centuries. The same is being seen in India, South Korea and Taiwan. 60 years ago, the last two of the aforementioned countries were poorer and had less natural resources than most of the Latin American countries, but they embraced capitalism and became a prosperous part of the first world community.
What is it that His Holiness is advocating in order to eliminate poverty in the World? Jesus Christ said that the poor will always be with us, but, Jesus was not alluding only to economic poverty, He was also referring to moral and spiritual poverty as well.
Since the beginning of his election, Pope Francis has been involved in a continuous barrage of misrepresentations and attacks against the free enterprise system, which together with political and religious freedom, are the main tenets of modern capitalism. In spite of its defects and shortcomings, no system in human history has reduced poverty more in the world and helped to raise the standards of living for Humanity as a whole, than the free enterprise capitalistic system. Thus far, I have yet to hear Pope Francis condemn the socialist regimes that continue to keep their people subjugated and in a state of misery, as is the case in Cuba and Venezuela, and these are just two of the many other well known apprentices of tyrannical socialist regimes in Latin America.
Is Pope Francis Peronist vision of a third way between Socialism and Capitalism the way to eliminate poverty in the world? Peronism, a populist hybrid between Socialism and Fascism reduced Argentina, a very rich country with a numerous well educated middle class, to the present waste basket state it is today.
Isnt the so called redistribution of wealth one of the main tenets of the Marxist doctrine and a slogan used ad nauseam by demagogues throughout history?
As soon as he took power, Pope Francis has been trying to rescue the Marxist liberation theology from the dust bin of history where it was relegated by Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI, a movement that supported the Marxist guerrillas in Latin America and was used by the Cuban regime to expand communism in this hemisphere.
In Quod Apostolici Muneris, the great Leo XIII condemned socialism as a Satanic counterfeit of the Gospel.
As Pope Pius XI affirmed in his Encyclical letter Divini Redemptoris on Atheistic Communism:
58. “See to it, Venerable Brethren, that the Faithful do not allow themselves to be deceived! Communism is intrinsically wrong, and no one who would save Christian civilization may collaborate with it in any undertaking whatsoever. Those who permit themselves to be deceived into lending their aid towards the triumph of Communism in their own country, will be the first to fall victims of their error. And the greater the antiquity and grandeur of the Christian civilization in the regions where Communism successfully penetrates, so much more devastating will be the hatred displayed by the godless.”
By orders of Pope John Paul II, Cardinal Ratzinger, a prefect of the CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH, issued the following INSTRUCTION ON CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE “THEOLOGY OF LIBERATION” in which it was condemning the inclusion of the class struggle and other parts of the ideology and Marxist praxis under the Christian cover of a so called liberation theology.
According to Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller, prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Pope Francis has close ties with liberation theology, the same discaterio that once condemned the movement. In the 1980s the CDF, under then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, attacked liberation theology as borrowing from various currents of Marxist thought.
Few know that Müller is also a pupil of Gustavo Gutierrez, the father of Latin-American liberation theology. When Müller, the prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, affirms that Pope Francis has close ties with liberation theology it exposes the reason for the exaltation of Leonardo Boff and the most radical leaders of the Marxist Liberation theology with the election of Pope Francisco.
Pope Francis right hand, the powerful Honduran Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga, who was put by the Pope in charge of the reform of the Church, makes his sympathies clear when he quotes as an authority on the morality of international investment the Swiss radical Jean Ziegler a longtime defender of Fidel Castro, who has called the United States an imperialist dictatorship.
Pope Francis opening to liberation theology is in stark contrast with the persecution to a very orthodox order, the Franciscans of the Inmaculata, for its adherence to the Tridentine mass and the traditional tenets and liturgy that were the orthodox standard of the Catholic Church for hundreds of years.
And that is difficult for the government to achieve in the best of circumstances - and impossible when giving Joe a job is the actual mission.
Thanks for posting. I was warring in my brain: ‘I don’t believe the MSM version’ vs ‘That stupid pope.’ haha.
Didn’t you read the comment? “When is Pope Francis being misquoted? When his lips are moving.” Don’t mistake the MSM’s soundbytes for the Pope’s message.
The most misquoted pope in history.
His words and behaviors make plenty of sense if one "reads Francis through Pascendi Dominici Gregis."
Even men who rise to the rank of Pope would do well to steer clear of ascribing anything intelligible to the incoherent systems of ideas that today parade around the collectivist banners of socialism and redistribution. Nothing can come of it when you mix that which comes about due to human action with that which comes about by human design. Planned economies are only possible through coercion and dictatorship and through cronyism.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3154052/posts?page=41#41
For everyone who is criticizing the Pope’s words — check out the meaning of subsidiarity.
1 Timothy 5.20 those that persist in sin, Anyone making statements like this need to seek the face
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
of YHvH and turn back from purposfully violating YHvH's
commandment:
You shall not steal. "
rebuke publicly so others
stand in fear and not fall away
He’s saying nothing that the last two Popes didn’t say. Now for what he really said about “income redistribution”.
http://www.catholicleague.org/pope-ties-life-issues-justice/
“The media are already gushing over the pope’s call for a redistribution of wealth, but they are downplaying his remarks on abortion and euthanasia. And what he said about the economic responsibilities of wealthy nations is, quite frankly, old stuff. Indeed, he cites his two predecessors as saying the same thing. To be specific, the pope did not call for economic equality: He twice called for economic equity. Equity means fairness; it does not mean sameness.
More important, the pope linked the rights of the unborn, and those who are ill, to the cause for justice. “Today, in concrete terms,” he said, “an awareness of the dignity of each of our brothers and sisters whose life is sacred and inviolable from conception to natural death must lead us to share with complete freedom the goods which God’s providence has placed in our hands, material goods but also intellectual and spiritual ones, and to give back generously and lavishly whatever we may have earlier unjustly refused to others.”
The pope also denounced our “throwaway culture” and the “culture of death.” He has used those terms before (the latter was coined by Saint John Paul II), so there is no ambiguity: He is clearly speaking about the disposal of unborn babies and the plight of the terminally ill.
Kudos to the pope for speaking to these issues with such force. We hope that the U.N. executives heed his advice”
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