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The Cool Pastor: An Oxymoron or Just a Regular Moron?
The Aquila Report ^ | 11-24-13 | Matthew Everhard

Posted on 11/24/2013 12:07:29 PM PST by ReformationFan

The unbelieving world will always do “cool” better than the Church. When the Church adopts coolness and relevance as its corporate values, it slavishly agrees to follow, lagging always one step behind the world. (This is why Christian music always ends up ripping off the sounds and styles of their secular counterparts, while Christian film always has a cheesy “cringe factor”).

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TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: church; coolfactor; epc; johnpiper; mattheweverhard; oxymoron; pastor; presbyterian; regularmoron; world

1 posted on 11/24/2013 12:07:29 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Cool pastor = Evil pastor


2 posted on 11/24/2013 12:15:10 PM PST by bimboeruption ("We Recognize No Sovereign But God, And No King But Jesus!" - John Adams & John Hancock)
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To: ReformationFan

A good discussion of the article is going on here:

www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3095025/posts


3 posted on 11/24/2013 12:28:27 PM PST by PastorBooks
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To: PastorBooks

Ooops... forgot to make it a link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3095025/posts


4 posted on 11/24/2013 12:29:21 PM PST by PastorBooks
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To: ReformationFan

Just scanning the above couple of sentences, I can know pronounce that “White” Christian music really does blow, because it does not borrow from black gospel influences.

It’s like today’s country music, which is just sucky rock and roll with a twang. Black gospel music gave birth to the blues. Many church singers of gospel went on to become blues singers (ah, the devil’s music). That sense of timing and rhythm, is just lacking in “white” christian music.

Heck, even Bob Dylan’s “Gotta Serve Somebody” is way times better than modern white christian music. If any of you have a chance, go catch Tommy Castro and the Pain Killers (blues) Tommy does a great rendition of Dylan’s “Gotta Serve Somebody”

It’s just my opinion, but I find that “White” christian music to be whiney and self serving preachy. “Black” gospel on the other hand contains a morality play inside and offers redemption for the sinner. Plus, it has a beat and to an old rock and roll listener, gospel far more easily crosses over, while “white” christian music stays just where it is.

Just one man’s opinion If you like “White” Christian music, good for you. Enjoy it, sing it,let it uplift you. I just happen to think other styles of music are better.


5 posted on 11/24/2013 12:32:54 PM PST by abigkahuna (Look for my upcoming e-book about the adventures of a two headed turtle.)
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To: bimboeruption
Cool pastor = Evil pastor

Oh, so NOT true necessarily. I'm sure it's the case sometime, but not always. I know of a very Biblically sound pastor in our area who has a great ministry and growing church - mostly new Christians or those who are curious seekers - and he is "cool" - but does not pander to the "seeker sensitive" crud and does not compromise on the Word at all.

6 posted on 11/24/2013 12:44:49 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: ReformationFan

Exception: Matt Chandler, The Village Church in Texas


7 posted on 11/24/2013 12:47:03 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: ReformationFan

The guy makes some points, and there are some phonies out there, and some self aggrandizers as well - but he conflates a number of issues as well. Then to top it off, he pimps his book at the end of his blog post.

Sounds to me like a cool pastor who didn’t catch on………so now he’s all in favor of “uncool.”


8 posted on 11/24/2013 12:48:31 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: ReformationFan

“This is why Christian music always ends up ripping off the sounds and styles of their secular counterparts, while Christian film always has a cheesy ‘cringe factor”.’”

And why Christian articles like this are “always” so pathetically dismissive of Christian art?

So where does this guy get off slamming Christian musicians and filmmakers? Right back at ya, Christian author. Who did you rip off when writing this piece? What kind of cheese are you passing off as anything worthy of reading?

Man, I hate this kind of look-down-your-nose arrogance.


9 posted on 11/24/2013 1:40:43 PM PST by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: ReformationFan

From the article:

“It will take a moment for the fog machine to clear up, as he takes center stage. But soon enough you will be able to identify him clearly: he’s the guy wearing the sneakers and the torn jeans, possibly even a hoodie and a snap-back too. He doesn’t carry a Bible under his arm—that would send the wrong signal—he carries his tablet computer.”

So, if a church tries to create a particular ambiance to serve its members, and the pastor wears trendy clothing and uses an iPad rather than a floppy paper Bible ... he is worthy of condemnation?

This author is quite judgmental. Pretty distasteful.

Why not focus on how the gospel is being preached rather than judging someone by appearance?


10 posted on 11/24/2013 1:48:23 PM PST by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: ReformationFan
while Christian film always has a cheesy “cringe factor”).

This is very true, reference the "films" of Kirk Cameron.

On the subject of Christian pop music/Christian rock, it always sounds to me as though the music itself - not the lyrics, the actual music - has been "softened". If Ilm going to listen to, say, metal - one of my favorite forms of music - then I want to hear screaming, wailing, high-concept classic distortion notes played at mind numbing speeds, not a vague form of that that's been made to sound "safer".
11 posted on 11/24/2013 3:14:33 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: ReformationFan

Cool don’t white-wash the henhouse or much of anything else...


12 posted on 11/24/2013 3:15:17 PM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Theo

I agree with you on a number of your points - and in fact, almost all my Bible study and reading is now done online. I prefer a laptop to an iPad, but you get the idea.

With just a couple of clicks, I can compare a scripture in King James, NIV, The Message, etc. With another click or two, I can find out what some of the great teachers say about that scripture. Sure, some of these hipster pastors are phony, or perhaps real but caught up in a carefully derived image, no doubt…but this article was overly judgemental and dismissive.


13 posted on 11/24/2013 3:16:40 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Then again, neither does stodgy, stale, self righteousness or pharisaical.


14 posted on 11/24/2013 3:19:03 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: ReformationFan
In my experience as a Catholic, the "cool" pastors are the worst pastors.

They tend to be preoccupied with being hip and cool and sporty, at the expense of focusing on God and guiding the congregation to focus on God.

15 posted on 11/24/2013 3:55:44 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

You wrote that “some of these hipster pastors are phony, or perhaps real but caught up in a carefully derived image.”

Yes. I totally agree.

I serve in my church’s “worship” band, and personally struggle to play in a way that is relevant to the people I’m serving, but at the same time I embrace the ancient truths of Scripture. It’s a fun challenge to be “current” and “ancient” at the same time. :-)


16 posted on 11/24/2013 4:18:19 PM PST by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: Theo

The great thing about the ancient truths of scripture is that the most basic and ancient of these truths…is that we worship a God who is outside of time…therefore He is both ancient and current - and now that I think of it, also a God of the future as well.


17 posted on 11/24/2013 4:38:37 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: arderkrag

Check out Flyleaf or Red. Maybe start with Flyleaf’s album “Memento Mori.”


18 posted on 11/24/2013 4:54:58 PM PST by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: abigkahuna

I love Casting Crowns and Tenth Avenue North. Great messages.


19 posted on 11/24/2013 5:51:18 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: C. Edmund Wright

There is a great pastor like that in Asheville. Sticks to God’s word and God’s love. Their church is really growing.


20 posted on 11/24/2013 5:52:26 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: C. Edmund Wright
... therefore He is both ancient and current - and now that I think of it, also a God of the future as well.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. ... Hebrews 13: 8

21 posted on 11/25/2013 7:25:11 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

yes….and to my eye…..”the same” means relevant yesterday, today, and forever. Jesus spoke in parables involving the culture of His day - on earth as a man - and I suspect he would do the same today.

And He would certainly despise the hypocrits of today as well…..


22 posted on 11/25/2013 7:32:22 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Which pastor, church, etc? (I live in NC)


23 posted on 11/25/2013 7:32:58 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
... ”the same” means relevant yesterday, today, and forever.

Absolutely, unequivocally. And imho you are also correct that Jesus would regard the 'pharisees' of today and the 'phony cool' with similar contempt.

24 posted on 11/25/2013 7:42:12 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Absolutely, unequivocally. And imho you are also correct that Jesus would regard the 'pharisees' of today and the 'phony cool' with similar contempt.

El bingo (a little spanish lingo).

U right…and to me, this article was a pharisee of today slamming the phony cool of today, and making the pharisaical mistake of lumping all of the "cool" into the phony camp. And oh, then pimping his book!! You can't make this stuff up…..then again, you don't have to.

25 posted on 11/25/2013 7:45:11 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Dr. Bruce Frank Biltmore Baptist


26 posted on 11/25/2013 8:27:11 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ReformationFan

This article isn’t describing “cool” so much as “trying to be cool”. One is impossible to objectively define the other impossible not to recognize.


27 posted on 11/25/2013 12:04:37 PM PST by circlecity
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