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Change of faith: Why young Brits turn from Christianity to Islam
The Final Call ^ | Sep 27, 2013 | RT.com

Posted on 09/28/2013 4:32:01 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

Local Mosque in the Hyde Park area of Leeds, England.

The UK’s official religion is dwindling at a record speed, with the decline of the Church “approaching rock bottom,” experts warn. While Christian congregations age, most British mosques are bringing more and more young people on board.

Public mosque services attract thousands of British Muslims, but when you check out a church, there are hardly a dozen participants at Sunday morning worship, RT’s Polly Boiko reports from London.

“The decline of churches in the UK is long term, now it just happens to be approaching rock bottom. So 95 percent of people don’t attend church on an average Sunday. Christian worship is already the concern of a tiny minority of people,” Andrew Copson, chief executive of the British Humanist Association, told RT.

“I think over time even the weak cultural identity that still seems to be associated with Christianity will banish away, probably all over Europe, not just in the UK,” Copson added.

The British Muslim population has surged dramatically over the past 15 years, increasing by 75 percent. According to the latest data from the Office for National Statistics, Muslims have the youngest age profile of the religious groups, with 48 percent (1.3 million) aged under 25.

Dr. Muhammad Abdul Bari, Honorary Chairman of one of the largest mosques in the UK, the East London Mosque, believes that’s because Islam’s family values are “really bonded, and families really try to nurture young people in the folds of Islam.”

He told RT that the Mosque he goes to, founded in 1910 and accommodating 7,000 worshippers for congregational prayers, has a congregation over 50 percent young people, who feel “part of the Mosque establishment” these days.

Contrary to Islam, Christianity showed the oldest age profile among the leading religious groups in 2011. And while the main reason for Christians being economically inactive was retirement, for Muslims economic inactivity was mainly because they were students, or because they were looking after the home or family.

Some argue that unlike Islam, which gives security to people, Christianity isn’t helping young Brits to survive on the violent streets of England.

In fact, the UK had a greater number of murders in 2007 than any other EU country, making it the most violent place in Europe, according to Eurostat. By comparison, there were over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 of population in the UK, and 466 violent crimes per 100,000 in America.

Latest figures from the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimate that in the year ending March 2013 there were 8.6 million crimes in England and Wales.

“The passivity that Christianity promotes is perceived as alien and disconnected to Black youths growing up in often violent and challenging urban environments in Britain today,” the former chairman of Brixton Mosque, Abdul Haqq Baker, wrote in the Guardian. “ ‘Turning the other cheek’ invites potential ridicule and abuse, whereas resilience, strength and self-dignity evokes respect and, in some cases, fear from unwanted attention,” he said.

At some point in his life, Baker, raised as a Roman Catholic like his father, converted to Islam. Turning the other cheek has never been an option since then. The majority of young people he had interviewed converted from Christianity to Islam for similar reasons, he says.

“With my newfound faith, there existed religious guidelines that provided spiritual and behavioral codes of conduct. Role models such as Malcolm X only helped to reinforce the perception that Islam enabled the empowerment of one’s masculinity coupled with righteous and virtuous conduct as a strength, not a weakness,” the founder of Street UK, Strategy to Reach Empower and Educate Teenagers program, explained.

According to academics, the total obedience that Islam demands from its followers has made it more appealing to worshippers and converts from other religions. Islam says no to drinking, smoking, gambling, pornography, helping those who truly follow its laws and values become complete and firm in their decisions.

“Islam says NO – this is no and full stop. And people find a sense of direction in it, because their religion of origin has lost that, and not because it never had it in the first instance,” Dr. Sara Silvestri, Senior Lecturer at City University, told RT.

Demographers say that if current trends continue, Islam could eclipse Christianity as the dominant religion in the UK, in as little as a decade.

The 2011 census puts the Muslim population of the UK at around 5 percent, a total that has been boosted by around 600,000 Muslim immigrants who have arrived in the UK over the past decade. Nearly half of all Muslims were born in the UK.

US-based religious think tank the Pew Forum estimates that if the current trend continues, the Muslim population of the UK would swell to almost double within the next 20 years, totaling 5.5 million. So, by 2030 Britain may have more Muslims than Kuwait. (RT.com)


TOPICS: Current Events; Islam; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: convert; deathofthewest; europeanchristians; formerlygreatbritain; generationy; mohammedanism; muslims; trends; ukmuslims; unitedkingdom; youth
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The Final Call, which republished this article from RT, is the official newspaper of the Nation of Islam

RT.com, previously known as Russia Today, is a Russian-based international multilingual television network.

So, take it with perhaps some huge grains of salt, but take it.

Class, discuss.

1 posted on 09/28/2013 4:32:01 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The reason they do this is the guys get more chicks to do with as they please. Its all about power and control, for the weak minded folks of course. Those who cannot stand any disagreement or dissent. Just a bunch of jobless bored idiots..


2 posted on 09/28/2013 4:37:28 PM PDT by seeker41 (take your country back by whatever means necessary)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Christianity has long lost its masculinity. We became passive when things became easy and now are reaping those rewards. Just look at the sissified whiney “praise” music we have these days. God is love and feelings, is all you hear these days. It’s about a “ relationship”. There is no awe, no power, no majesty, no sacrifice. Just mushy love and feelings. I can’t stand it.


3 posted on 09/28/2013 4:38:55 PM PDT by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
No doubt about it. Christianity is the narrow path...it is HARD.

Islam is easy...get the rule book and follow it.

Wisdom isn't easy. And once learned, leading a life of wisdom and obedience to God is even harder.

Satan (er, Allah) is a master at offering the easy way out.

4 posted on 09/28/2013 4:40:35 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Why young Brits turn from Christianity to Islam

72 virgins vs an angel playing a harp..that's a no brainer

5 posted on 09/28/2013 4:41:18 PM PDT by varon ( cum tyrannis para bellum)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Ax

Outwardly, Islam displays pious, dignified values. But it takes burkas, honor killings, sharia law, and other requirements anathema to a free society to prop that facade up..


6 posted on 09/28/2013 4:43:54 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Barack Barry Hussein Soetoro Obama, America's first woman president..)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Islam represents masculinity and strength to the average person. The whites are converting because they are ignorant about Christianity and likes a faith that stands for something. Passion always wins.
7 posted on 09/28/2013 4:46:28 PM PDT by Chickensoup (...We didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This is the Great Apostasy that Paul talked about in 2 Thess. 2:1-12.


8 posted on 09/28/2013 4:48:24 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

A big drawback of a state church is that it has the appearance of speaking for all Christians, whether members of said church of otherwise.
Sort of like (almost, in effect if not in reality of course) a monopoly .. if not on membership than on the image of Christianity in the UK.

So, when the “monopolist’s” product quality goes down for any reason (such as, humanistic or secular bishops and priests that move considerably away from the received traditions of the church).... then it appears (right or wrong) that Christianity has little to offer (other than a duplication of the secular society, which is not why most people seek out a religious affiliation).

Result: “Christianity has nothing to offer me,
so I will try this other thing... “

alas, from the frying pan to the fire (of Hell)
but... there it is

what is to be done? How to get the Church of England to return to a more loyal or traditional understanding of the Judeo-Christian tradition and Christian faith?

there’s the rub... and there’s the saving answer..


9 posted on 09/28/2013 4:49:32 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (Er)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The alternative to Christianity is not secular hedonism.

It is Islam.


10 posted on 09/28/2013 4:52:42 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Discuss?> What? England is dead. There is nothing to discuss.


11 posted on 09/28/2013 4:52:48 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“....believes that’s because Islam’s family values are “really bonded, and families really try to nurture young people in the folds of Islam.”

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Yeah, ‘honor killing’ is another word for muslim ‘family values’.


12 posted on 09/28/2013 4:53:22 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I don't say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: All

they do it for the same reason white teenage boys dress and talk like inner city blacks, they think its cool.


13 posted on 09/28/2013 4:58:59 PM PDT by willywill
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To: vpintheak

I see that I am not alone. It is more like attending a pop psychology encounter session with some vaguely religiously themed music rather than attending a reverential worship service.


14 posted on 09/28/2013 4:59:31 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

the anglican church in england today is hardly christian. the real christians left a long time ago.


15 posted on 09/28/2013 5:06:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Young people in Britain mostly have the Anglican Church to leave, and it has left Christianity so far behind that it is barely recognizable. Women priests. Gay marriages. Abortion. What’s really left to embrace?? People are attracted to Real Beliefs, a solid ship in the Sea of Life. Too bad it is Islam.

Thanks very much for clarifying that the Final Call is an Islamic n/p.


16 posted on 09/28/2013 5:11:05 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Chickensoup

‘Like a faith that stands for something” - bingo.


17 posted on 09/28/2013 5:12:04 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: varon

The “angel playing a harp” is a total misrepresentation of eternal life.

I don’t think that that is what Christianity teaches.


18 posted on 09/28/2013 5:15:16 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I don't say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

My British friends - as nice as they are personally - brag about how their country is now “post Christian.” Well, you get what you want. Except that young people want tough medicine. And that answer, horribly, seems to be islam.


19 posted on 09/28/2013 5:16:47 PM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Change of faith: Why young Brits turn from Christianity to Islam

Because Islam is winning.

20 posted on 09/28/2013 5:17:01 PM PDT by Teacher317 (Obama is failing faster than I can lower my expectations.)
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To: miss marmelstein
Except that young people want tough medicine. And that answer, horribly, seems to be Islam.

No they want to be told what to think and do, they don't want’ to go through the process themselves.

Work out your faith with fear and trembling is hard. they want a checklist.

21 posted on 09/28/2013 5:23:44 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: Mrs. Don-o

There are numerous causes but some are:

1. The feminist notion that when a man pursues a woman, inwardly in fact his motive is something akin to RAPE.

2. An afrocentric, hip-hop notion that marriage is for “suckaz”.

3. The equality of values idea that rendering value judgements (like “hey, that’s a sin, so it’s not OK...”) is brash and outdated — “there are many shades of grey”.

4. The success of the homosexual community in turning The Church into a de-facto refuge for gay people wanting a steady paycheck with little need for technical skills and high contact with the unsuspecting public.


22 posted on 09/28/2013 5:26:16 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Mrs. Don-o

My guess would be stupidity.......


23 posted on 09/28/2013 5:27:23 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

re: decline in church attendance in the uk

we were in St Martin’s in the Fields for several weeks in a row in june, the church was well attended but most of the parishioners appeared to be visitors to london like us.


24 posted on 09/28/2013 5:27:45 PM PDT by Reverend Wright (1990 Budget Agreement: learn from other's mistakes)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well Da!

Satan running rampant in the streets, Islam rises, Christianity slides.

Pope Francis says “create a mess, get out into the streets”. Spread the message of Truth.

It’s war, and we will win, with much suffering(love).


25 posted on 09/28/2013 5:35:52 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It could be that Jesus has been beat out of the C of E, so there’s no real reason to join it. Non-biblical “Christian” churches are losing people all over the world.


26 posted on 09/28/2013 5:46:18 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: bboop

“it has left Christianity so far behind that it is barely recognizable. Women priests. Gay marriages. Abortion.”
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Much the same with the Episcopal church in America.
The gays have taken over.
The Anglican church in America, however, became a home for disenchanted Episcopalians.
I have not been there in over 12 years so I do not know what is happening in the US church.


27 posted on 09/28/2013 5:49:06 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: AlexW

We left the Episcopal church here in America in 1992 or so, when we figured out that it was Theology by Committee Vote every few years. We crossed the Tiber in 2005 and have never looked back. Amazing, the theology never changes to mirror society. So refreshing.


28 posted on 09/28/2013 5:54:28 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Christianity, as the Bible lays it out, doesn’t exist in Britain. The pablum and apostasy that parishioners are fed in the UK (and elsewhere) are no competition for the zealotry of Islam. Young people raised on a diet of pot-modern secularism are without bearings, purpose or value. Islam, while harsh and draconian, gives them a framework of meaning and eternal perspective. True Christianity offers the cross and God is given the glory. The contrast and consequences are profound and eternal.


29 posted on 09/28/2013 5:58:50 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (You hear it here first.)
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To: bboop

Welcome Home!


30 posted on 09/28/2013 6:02:16 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Moving flat out towards socialism post world war two has brought this on England. They reap what they have sewn.


31 posted on 09/28/2013 6:02:38 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

thanks Mrs. Don-o. This doesn’t surprise, given the number of non-British ethnic yoots in Britain.

More than a quarter of young adults in Britain ‘do not trust Muslims’ because of terror attacks
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3071806/posts


32 posted on 09/28/2013 6:04:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Not surprised myself.

It is because of the need for structure.


33 posted on 09/28/2013 6:05:25 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: bboop

“We left the Episcopal church here in America in 1992”
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I do not remember the year in the 90s that I bailed out, but I had been the senior warden of the oldest Episcopal church, est. 1832, in west Tennessee.
I started limited attendance of the RC church while living in Slovakia.
Here in the Philippines, the RC church rules, with every town having huge churches that are hundreds of years old.
The one that we attend, and where my child was baptized, is as large as any that I have been in.


34 posted on 09/28/2013 6:09:49 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Biggirl

Bingo.

Structure. Strictness. Boundaries.

Easy.

Deceptively easy.


35 posted on 09/28/2013 6:18:10 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: AlexW
I would love to visit Catholic Churches in the Philippines.

I always thought that would be a good country to bail out to, if things got unlivable in the USA.

36 posted on 09/28/2013 6:20:59 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Benedict was misunderstood and hated while Francis is misunderstood and loved.)
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To: Biggirl

Churches no longer believe in what they say they believe. Truth is truth or all is lost.

I stand on the Word.


37 posted on 09/28/2013 6:29:26 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (You hear it here first.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“I always thought that would be a good country to bail out to, if things got unlivable in the USA.”
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Well, it is all in attitude. This is a third world country, and one has to adjust to the way of life.
Having moved here for good in Jan. 2009, I have adjusted to the facts of Philippine life.
While this is paradise for a single man, of any age, I almost never see a western woman/couples here. That is not to say that they would not like it here. I think central and NW South America have the new paradise locations for married Americans.
I suggest getting on the Emailing list of InternationaLiving.com and EscapeFromAmerica.com

Feel free to FRmail me with any questions.


38 posted on 09/28/2013 6:38:45 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: varon

Why young Brits turn from Christianity to Islam
72 virgins vs an angel playing a harp..that’s a no brainer..

STICKIN YER CAN UP IN THE AIR 5X A DAY CAN BE FUN?


39 posted on 09/28/2013 6:45:33 PM PDT by jimsin
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Islam is Satan’s religion... So it stands to reason that a nation of Godlessness will be attracted to the things of Satan.


40 posted on 09/28/2013 6:49:39 PM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

41 posted on 09/28/2013 7:00:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Biggirl

Thank you. Home, indeed. :)


42 posted on 09/28/2013 7:55:02 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I think they are playing fast and loose with the word Christian...’Real’ Christians do not move away from Jesus Christ, they move closer...

Church attendance or membership does not make one a Christian...Born into a religious family does not make one a Christian...

As I see it, joining Izlam is like joining a club, or a gang membership...


43 posted on 09/28/2013 9:11:13 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: GreyFriar

Ping to why Islam is winning converts in Britain.


44 posted on 09/28/2013 9:25:44 PM PDT by zot
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To: Army Air Corps

Amen!


45 posted on 09/28/2013 11:47:08 PM PDT by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Christianity, as the Bible lays it out, doesn’t exist in Britain. The pablum and apostasy that parishioners are fed in the UK (and elsewhere) are no competition for the zealotry of Islam. Young people raised on a diet of pot-modern secularism are without bearings, purpose or value. Islam, while harsh and draconian, gives them a framework of meaning and eternal perspective. True Christianity offers the cross and God is given the glory. The contrast and consequences are profound and eternal.

Very well said.

46 posted on 09/29/2013 12:03:57 AM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: Iscool
’Real’ Christians do not move away from Jesus Christ, they move closer...

1 Pet 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, 5 who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 8 Though you have not seen him, you love him. Though you do not now see him, you believe in him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory, 9 obtaining the outcome of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

47 posted on 09/29/2013 8:31:07 AM PDT by bkaycee (John 3:16)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The attraction for native Brits is belonging to a group that gives them pride, a sense of entitlement and doesn’t bash them for being white, native and thus inherently evil.
For girls who want to be wives and mothers at an early age, they gravitate to the “be a wife and mother and valued for it”, not realizing that spousal abuse is also his right. Native British culture, especially for the working classes, has so destroyed the family structure and man’s obligation to his woman and children, that their are girls willing to go under the veil to have a husband and children and support for being a stay at home mother.


48 posted on 09/29/2013 8:43:22 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I find it ironic that the youth who shun Christianity as narrow-minded, too strict and old fashioned are flocking to a Islam. Youth who shun the faith of their parents are too often trying to be rebelous, edgy and cool whilte, truly, they are seeking the meaning if life.

Too bad they don't realize they will night find the meaning of life in Islam- only a culture of death and destruction.

49 posted on 09/29/2013 8:50:10 AM PDT by rintense
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To: Iscool
The problem with statistics about faith commitment is that, as you say, the definitions can be "fast and loose" or at least varied in a way that defeats clarity. A statistician cannot count changesof-heart, so if he's gonna have any numbers to crunch all, he has to go with #of baptisms, or #on the parish membership rolls, or #of fannies in the pews on a given Sunday.

Three entirely different figures.

No entirely satisfactory, but what're you gonna do?

Church membership does have some validity as a marker. Christ founded the Church, and talked as if it would be something you'd be able to locate: that is, with a definite, visible, even MapQuest find-ability.

And Paul certainly seconds that, in that he lays down rules for them, and knows who and where they are.

50 posted on 09/29/2013 9:35:01 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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