What does a Roman Catholic need to do to join the Orthodox Presbyterian Church?

The Orthodox Presbyterian Church ^ | 09/11/2005

[annalex]

You are welcome to visit any time, but you may not take Holy Communion.

You will discover a spectrum if you visit enough churches. I especially recommend finding out where they have a Traditional Mass (also known as “Extraordinary rite”) and visiting that, for contrast. But the majority will be very much with “audience participation”. Like you said, different age.

[daniel1212]

The Pharisees thought traditions were far more superior to God's word as well. Reiterating what i have said before,

For the decision of their Scribes, or "Soferim" (Josephus, σοπισταί; N. T., γραμματεἴς), consisting originally of Aaronites, Levites, and common Israelites, they claimed the same authority as for the Biblical law, even in case of error (Sifre, Deut. 153-154); they endowed them with the power to abrogate the Law at times (see Abrogation of Laws), and they went so far as to say that he who transgressed their words deserved death (Ber. 4a). - http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12087-pharisees

And the tradition that the Lord condemned was not the manifest established oral word of God (2Ths. 2:13) which would be written down, as was the norm, being in conformity to that which was written, (Acts 17:11) but were mere unwarranted traditions which were made doctrines, and some even were contrary to Scripture, (Mk. 7:2-16)

But as Rome does, the Pharisees could and did claim these were Scriptural, rejecting proof from Scripture to the contrary, as they presumed a level of veracity above what Scripture affords men.

An argument is made that equates authority with assured veracity, but while Scripture enjoins obedience to the powers that be, ecclesiastical or civil, (Dt. 17:8-13; Rm. 13:1-7; Heb. 13:17) it also nowhere teaches that an office of men is assuredly infallible whenever it universally speaks on faith and morals, but teaches that obedience to men is conditional upon conformity with the word of God, which Scripture assuredly is, and the conscience of the believer.

While the appeal to an infallible authority is attractive in that it precludes any dissenter as being correct, and thus unity is attained by implicit assent to it insomuch as it has defined things thusly, yet this is not how truth was preserved in Scripture, nor how the church began.

For while under the Roman model dissent from the magisterium is fatal, yet the church began in dissent from those who sat in the seat of Moses, with the Lord reproving them by Scripture and establishing his own claims upon Scriptural substantiation.

Thus the issue is how is truth established? By an infallible magisterium, or by holding Scripture as the standard for obedience and testing truth claims, which it is abundantly evidenced to be? And which provides for the office of the magisterium, yet not as assuredly infallible, but requires the church to continually uphold authority by manifestation of the truth in word and in power, as the kingdom of is of such, not in self declaration of the church being infallible.

[Elsie]

No; I am not.

[Elsie]

no; four.

And a BOTTLE!

[Elsie]

You sure repeat yourself a lot!

[SeaHawkFan]

Pretend sex is only for procreation.

[Elsie]

All of the rituals with the back and forth stuff between the priest and congregation.

"What MUST we do...

[Elsie]

I don't play that game.

Our MORMON FRiends got slapped down for posting antagonistic things about Christians in CAUCUS threads..

They got zapped and most of them pouted and left.

[vladimir998]

Your own words prove you are. It doesn’t matter if you admit it of not,

[Elsie]

Pleasantries aside; it would STILL be a breath of fresh air; considering that ALL of the things we’ve posted in these C vs P threads has been done to death already.

[Elsie]

You seem to repeat yourself a lot.

Is there a problem?

[Elsie]

That’s nice.Twisting little passages: all different...

[MacNaughton]

Yes, 1 of the NT gospels said Jesus told Peter that Peter would build his church.

200 Oh? I've missed that. Could you give me the reference, please?

Matthew 16:18 (New International Version, 2011) 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

[man_in_tx]

Wow! That was QUITE a post! Thank you for the back-up!

[man_in_tx]

I could have SWORN it was BRIMSTONE!

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:-)

[man_in_tx]

Wow! You are playing for keeps! :-)

[mgist]

"What does a Roman Catholic need to do to join the Orthodox Presbyterian Church?"

Any Catholic asking that question isn't Catholic. I would bet that not most of the thousands of non Catholic sects don't even know what the Orthodox Presbytarian Church is. I'm sure plenty of Americans would like to believe that God established His church in America in the 1950's, but real Catholics understand our human faith history is a little bit deeper. Good luck with that.

[HarleyD]

Thus the issue is how is truth established? By an infallible magisterium, or by holding Scripture as the standard for obedience and testing truth claims

If it was an infallible magisterium, the Jewish priests would have been right and Jeremiah would have been wrong-to name but one prophet that directly challenged the leadership. Biblical history has always shown the corruptibility of the leaders all the way back to Aaron when he was swayed to create the golden calf.

That is why we are instructed:

Psa_119:11 I have stored up your word in my heart, that I might not sin against you.

[man_in_tx]

Any Catholic asking that question isn’t Catholic. I would bet that not most of the thousands of non Catholic sects don’t even know what the Orthodox Presbytarian Church is. I’m sure plenty of Americans would like to believe that God established His church in America in the 1950’s, but real Catholics understand our human faith history is a little bit deeper. Good luck with that.

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Any Catholic asking that question isn’t Catholic.

Not for long, anyway! ;-)

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. . . most of the thousands of non Catholic sects don’t even know what the Orthodox Presbytarian Church is.

And this proves what, exactly?

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I’m sure plenty of Americans would like to believe that God established His church in America in the 1950’s,

Huh? The Church was born in Jerusalem on Pentecost — I think even a staunch Romanist gets that?

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but real Catholics understand our human faith history is a little bit deeper.

I cannot decide who wears on one’s patience more? Harvard grads, or those elitist Roman Catholics who are uber-aware of their self-perceived “superior knowledge of all things spiritual” because a: Their Church is Old, and b: Their Church is Large?

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Good luck with that.

Who needs luck when He has the Word of God as a light unto His path and lamp unto his feet? (That’s right: No basilica in Rome, No Pope, and no prayers to Mary. What HERESY!) ;-)

[BlackElk]

Thank you for your kind words. Let us try to live up to the spirit of co-operation and mutual respect in our respective service to our Savior. May God bless you and yours!