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To: HarleyD
The Pharisees thought traditions were far more superior to God's word as well. Reiterating what i have said before,

For the decision of their Scribes, or "Soferim" (Josephus, σοπισταί; N. T., γραμματεἴς), consisting originally of Aaronites, Levites, and common Israelites, they claimed the same authority as for the Biblical law, even in case of error (Sifre, Deut. 153-154); they endowed them with the power to abrogate the Law at times (see Abrogation of Laws), and they went so far as to say that he who transgressed their words deserved death (Ber. 4a). - http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12087-pharisees

And the tradition that the Lord condemned was not the manifest established oral word of God (2Ths. 2:13) which would be written down, as was the norm, being in conformity to that which was written, (Acts 17:11) but were mere unwarranted traditions which were made doctrines, and some even were contrary to Scripture, (Mk. 7:2-16)

But as Rome does, the Pharisees could and did claim these were Scriptural, rejecting proof from Scripture to the contrary, as they presumed a level of veracity above what Scripture affords men.

An argument is made that equates authority with assured veracity, but while Scripture enjoins obedience to the powers that be, ecclesiastical or civil, (Dt. 17:8-13; Rm. 13:1-7; Heb. 13:17) it also nowhere teaches that an office of men is assuredly infallible whenever it universally speaks on faith and morals, but teaches that obedience to men is conditional upon conformity with the word of God, which Scripture assuredly is, and the conscience of the believer.

While the appeal to an infallible authority is attractive in that it precludes any dissenter as being correct, and thus unity is attained by implicit assent to it insomuch as it has defined things thusly, yet this is not how truth was preserved in Scripture, nor how the church began.

For while under the Roman model dissent from the magisterium is fatal, yet the church began in dissent from those who sat in the seat of Moses, with the Lord reproving them by Scripture and establishing his own claims upon Scriptural substantiation.

Thus the issue is how is truth established? By an infallible magisterium, or by holding Scripture as the standard for obedience and testing truth claims, which it is abundantly evidenced to be? And which provides for the office of the magisterium, yet not as assuredly infallible, but requires the church to continually uphold authority by manifestation of the truth in word and in power, as the kingdom of is of such, not in self declaration of the church being infallible.

242 posted on 07/28/2013 6:08:48 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
Thus the issue is how is truth established? By an infallible magisterium, or by holding Scripture as the standard for obedience and testing truth claims

If it was an infallible magisterium, the Jewish priests would have been right and Jeremiah would have been wrong-to name but one prophet that directly challenged the leadership. Biblical history has always shown the corruptibility of the leaders all the way back to Aaron when he was swayed to create the golden calf.

That is why we are instructed:


258 posted on 07/29/2013 6:20:38 PM PDT by HarleyD
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