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What does a Roman Catholic need to do to join the Orthodox Presbyterian Church?
The Orthodox Presbyterian Church ^ | 09/11/2005

Posted on 07/26/2013 2:57:13 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

Question:

What would a baptized and confirmed Roman Catholic need to do in order to join the Orthodox Presbyterian Church?

Answer:

Allow me to answer you question with a brief autobiographical anecdote. I was born, baptized, raised, confirmed, and educated in the Roman Catholic system. In fact, it was while I was at a Roman Catholic college (of all places) that I was converted by the grace of God. After realizing how different the teachings of the RCC are from Scripture, I joined with a Baptist church. And that church required that I be rebaptized as an adult. So, I went through that process and became a member. Several years later I came to understand the doctrine of the Bible as it was taught in Reformed churches like the Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC). Joining them was quite easy. I went before the session (a group of men who are officers in the church) where they interviewed me to make sure I had a credible profession of faith in Jesus Christ. The following Sunday they put me before the congregation where I publicly professed my faith in Jesus Christ in the form of several membership vows. And that was it. I was a member!

So, being baptized and confirmed in the RCC is no big obstacle if you want to become a member of the OPC. As long as you have come to trust in Jesus Christ alone for your salvation, and you trust not in any of your works. When asked the question "What must I do to be saved?", the response of Paul and Silas was "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved" (Acts 16:31), and that is still true today. What is important is to put your full trust in Jesus. If you have done that, if you have repented of your sin and trust in Jesus alone, you are welcomed into the fellowship of the OPC. There is no need to be re-baptized and there is no need to renounce your confirmation.

At this point I would strongly encourage you to seek out the pastor of a local OPC, and he can guide you through the details of the steps toward membership in the OPC. If you need assistance finding an OPC in your area, you can check out our Directory of Churches. May God bless you and may you "grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 5:18). If we can be of further assistance, just let us know!


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...being baptized and confirmed in the RCC is no big obstacle if you want to become a member of the OPC. As long as you have come to trust in Jesus Christ alone for your salvation, and you trust not in any of your works. When asked the question "What must I do to be saved?", the response of Paul and Silas was "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved" (Acts 16:31), and that is still true today. What is important is to put your full trust in Jesus. If you have done that, if you have repented of your sin and trust in Jesus alone, you are welcomed into the fellowship of the OPC. There is no need to be re-baptized and there is no need to renounce your confirmation.
1 posted on 07/26/2013 2:57:13 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Gamecock

Ping to an oldie but a goodie!


2 posted on 07/26/2013 2:57:37 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Isn’t the Roman Catholic Church the one you can never really leave, like the “family?”


3 posted on 07/26/2013 3:00:48 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: All
Related threads: The Westminster Confession of Faith
[from the Orthodox Presbyterian Church website]
Chapter 1: Of the Holy Scripture
Chapter 2: Of God, and of the Holy Trinity
Chapter 3: Of God’s Eternal Decree
Chapter 4: Of Creation
Chapter 5: Of Providence
Chapter 6: Of the Fall of Man, of Sin, and of the Punishment Thereof
Chapter 7: Of God’s Covenant with Man
Chapter 8: Of Christ the Mediator
Chapter 9: Of Free Will
Chapter 10: Of Effectual Calling
Chapter 11: Of Justification
Chapter 12: Of Adoption
Chapter 13: Of Sanctification
Chapter 14: Of Saving Faith
Chapter 15: Of Repentance unto Life
Chapter 16: Of Good Works
Chapter 17: Of the Perseverance of the Saints
Chapter 18: Of the Assurance of Grace and Salvation
Chapter 19: Of the Law of God
Chapter 20: Of Christian Liberty and Liberty of Conscience
Chapter 21: Of Religious Worship and the Sabbath Day
Chapter 22: Of Lawful Oaths and Vows
Chapter 23: Of the Civil Magistrate
Chapter 24: Of Marriage and Divorce
Chapter 25: Of the Church
Chapter 26: Of the Communion of Saints
Chapter 27: Of the Sacraments
Chapter 28: Of Baptism
Chapter 29: Of the Lord’s Supper
Chapter 30: Of Church Censures
Chapter 31: Of Synods and Councils
Chapter 32: Of the State of Men after Death, and of the Resurrection of the Dead
Chapter 33: Of the Last Judgment
4 posted on 07/26/2013 3:01:59 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: Alex Murphy
Question:

What would a baptized and confirmed Roman Catholic need to do in order to join the Orthodox Presbyterian Church?

Answer: Apostatize

5 posted on 07/26/2013 3:02:36 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: Alex Murphy

Presbyterian churches recognize Catholic baptisms, whether as an adult or a child.


6 posted on 07/26/2013 3:02:37 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Alex Murphy

Well my goodness, that is truly a worldwide church.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Presbyterian_Church

Orthodox Presbyterian Church

Classification Protestant
Theology Reformed Evangelical
Governance Presbyterian
Associations North American Presbyterian and Reformed Council, International Conference of Reformed Churches
Origin June 11, 1936
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Separated from Presbyterian Church in the United States of America
Separations Bible Presbyterian Church
Congregations 275
Members 30,279

Does this mean that not even 144,000 go to heaven but only 30,279 members of the OPC?

ROTFL


7 posted on 07/26/2013 3:07:07 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: Alex Murphy

What was wrong with the Baptist church, other than all the drinking?


8 posted on 07/26/2013 3:07:37 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Alex Murphy

bookmark.


9 posted on 07/26/2013 3:09:38 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: Alex Murphy

1. Give up all belief in historic Christianity.
2. Assume Christ lied about protecting His Church.
3. Cut seven books out of your Old Testament.
4. Give up Jesus in the Eucharist. Yes, He gave you His body, but now you have to believe it’s just a cracker despite what Christ said.
5. Ignore the Early Church Fathers or pretend they never wrote what they wrote.
6. Extras: No longer will the great Christian patrimony of art, music, literature, history, philosophy, or architecture be yours. You’ll be like an atheist at a Church picnic. Everything will still taste good, but you will no longer see the point of it all. It will be like a foreign language to you.

What you must do:

1. Start being ignorant.
2. Post ignorantly on the internet about things which you do not understand - especially the Catholic faith.
3. Claim you know the Catholic faith because you went to a Catholic school for 6, 8 or 12 years.
4. Deliberately lie about the Catholic faith. As a Protestant this should come easily to you now because you’ll be able to rationalize that you’re lying for a good cause.
5. You can now use birth control, have abortions (shhhh! pretend your sect is sort of pro-life).
6. Feel free to divorce and remarry as often as you like. You’re a Protestant now so morals are almost completely subjective even if your pastor says otherwise. Example: “Abortion is wrong. . . except in cases of rape and incest.” Many Protestants believe that as if the actual act of murdering the baby somehow qualitatively changes because the baby’s father committed a morally evil act.


10 posted on 07/26/2013 3:14:05 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Alex Murphy

You would have to give up belonging to a scriptural church.


11 posted on 07/26/2013 3:25:43 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Alex Murphy

why would you do that????

catholics wrote the bible, but these johnny come lately’s are trying to tell you all about it..

catholics have been at the forefront of the bible for over 2 millenium...

rememeber, the king of england wanted to fornicate at will..

and that is where protestantism originated..

just sayin..


12 posted on 07/26/2013 3:29:09 PM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: vladimir998
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13 posted on 07/26/2013 3:35:43 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: vladimir998

“Cut seven books out of your Old Testament.”


The Historical view of the church on the Apocrypha:

Pope Gregory the first, quoting Maccabees:

“Concerning which thing we do nothing irregularly, if we adduce a testimony from the books, which although not canonical are published for the edification of the people. For Eleazar wounding an elephant in battle, slew him, but fell under him whom he had destroyed.” — Morals, book 19, on 39th chap, of Job.

Notice how he mentions that they are put forward not for the “confirmation of the faith,” but for “edification of the faithful.” This is an important distinction. They considered these books useful for instruction in righteousness, kind of like a positive story, but not to be brought forward for the confirmation of doctrine. This same idea is repeated by many authors:

Athanasius on the apocrypha:

“But for the sake of greater exactness I add this also, writing under obligation, as it were. There are other books besides these, indeed not received as canonical but having been appointed by our fathers to be read to those just approaching and wishing to be instructed in the word of godliness: Wisdom of Solomon, Wisdom of Sirach, Esther, Judith, Tobit, and that which is called the Teaching of the Apostles, and the Shepherd. But the former [standard new and old testament canon], my brethren, are included in the Canon, the latter being merely read.” (Thirty-Ninth Festal Epistle, A.D. 367.)

Rufinus on the Apocrypha:

“They were willing to have all these read in the churches but not brought forward for the confirmation of doctrine.” (Rufinus of Aquileia, Exposition of the Creed)

Cardinal Cajetan calls them not “canonical for the confirmation of the faith,” but “canonical” only in a certain sense for the “edification of the faithful.”

“Here we close our commentaries on the historical books of the Old Testament. For the rest (that is, Judith, Tobit, and the books of Maccabees) are counted by St. Jerome out of the canonical books, and are placed amongst the apocrypha, along with Wisdom and Ecciesiasticus, as is plain from the Protogus Galeatus. Nor be thou disturbed, like a raw scholar, if thou shouldest find anywhere, either in the sacred councils or the sacred doctors, these books reckoned as canonical. For the words as well of councils as of doctors are to be reduced to the correction of Jerome. Now, according to his judgment, in the epistle to the bishops Chromatius and Heliodorus, these books (and any other like books in the canon of the Bible) are not canonical, that is, not in the nature of a rule for confirming matters of faith. Yet, they may be called canonical, that is, in the nature of a rule for the edification of the faithful, as being received and authorised in the canon of the Bible for that purpose. By the help of this distinction thou mayest see thy way clearly through that which Augustine says, and what is written in the provincial council of Carthage.” (Cardinal Cajetan, “Commentary on all the Authentic Historical Books of the Old Testament,” cited by William Whitaker in “A Disputation on Holy Scripture,” Cambridge: Parker Society (1849), p. 424)

Official prefaces to Latin translations of the scripture making the same distinction:

“At the dawn of the Reformation the great Romanist scholars remained faithful to the judgment of the Canon which Jerome had followed in his translation. And Cardinal Ximenes in the preface to his magnificent Polyglott Biblia Complutensia-the lasting monument of the University which he founded at Complutum or Alcala, and the great glory of the Spanish press-separates the Apocrypha from the Canonical books. The books, he writes, which are without the Canon, which the Church receives rather for the edification of the people than for the establishment of doctrine, are given only in Greek, but with a double translation.” ( B.F. Westcott, A General Survey of the History of the Canon of the New Testament (Cambridge: MacMillan, 1889), pp. 470-471.)

“4. Give up Jesus in the Eucharist. Yes, He gave you His body, but now you have to believe it’s just a cracker despite what Christ said.”


“They said therefore unto Him, What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” For He had said to them, “Labor not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto eternal life.” “What shall we do?” they ask; by observing what, shall we be able to fulfill this precept? “Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He has sent.” This is then to eat the meat, not that which perisheth, but that which endureth unto eternal life. To what purpose dost thou make ready teeth and stomach? Believe, and thou hast eaten already. (Augustine, Tractate 25)

“Wherefore, the Lord, about to give the Holy Spirit, said that Himself was the bread that came down from heaven, exhorting us to believe in Him. For to believe in Him is to eat the living bread. He that believes eats; he is sated invisibly, because invisibly is he born again. A babe within, a new man within. Where he is made new, there he is satisfied with food. (12) What then did the Lord answer to such murmurers? Murmur not among yourselves. As if He said, I know why you are not hungry, and do not understand nor seek after this bread. Murmur not among yourselves: no man can come unto me, except the Father that sent me draw him. Noble excellence of grace! No man comes unless drawn. There is whom He draws, and there is whom He draws not; why He draws one and draws not another, do not desire to judge, if you desire not to err.” (Augustine, Tractate 26)

“1. Give up all belief in historic Christianity.

5. Ignore the Early Church Fathers or pretend they never wrote what they wrote.”


LOL


14 posted on 07/26/2013 3:36:26 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: ansel12

And?


15 posted on 07/26/2013 3:36:28 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: All
"catholics wrote the bible"

Wowsa!! here I am at my computer with no hip waders.

16 posted on 07/26/2013 3:37:53 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Jesus gave His Word and life for us. Catholics made a franchise.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

You post is incomplete to say the least.

http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/deut.html


17 posted on 07/26/2013 3:40:04 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: joe fonebone

catholics wrote the bible


Please explain that.


18 posted on 07/26/2013 3:41:16 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Which OPC are you affiliated with? We go to one in the Denver, CO area.


19 posted on 07/26/2013 3:43:01 PM PDT by politicket (1 1/2 million attended Obama's coronation - only 14 missed work!)
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To: Alex Murphy

This is the dumbest post yet. Why not ask how you can become a homosexual without the stigma of having AIDS?


20 posted on 07/26/2013 3:45:11 PM PDT by JFoobar
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To: laplata

popes can be traced back to Peter...

Peter founded the catholic church..

all who followed Peter wrote the bible..

the bible was held sacred by catholic until around the 15th century..

when the king of england wanted to screw everyone and everything with a vagina that came his way...

pretty simple really, if you are willing to just follow the timeline...


21 posted on 07/26/2013 3:45:57 PM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: joe fonebone
catholics wrote the bible

I was recently told, by a Catholic, that this is (and I quote) "an uninformed opinion" for anyone to say that the Catholic Church wrote the Bible. Not sure which Catholic I'm supposed to believe here.

22 posted on 07/26/2013 3:47:14 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
Does this mean that not even 144,000 go to heaven but only 30,279 members of the OPC?

You'll have to take that up with the non-Protestant Jehovah's Witnesses.

23 posted on 07/26/2013 3:50:16 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: joe fonebone

pretty simple really, if you are willing to just follow the timeline...


Your time line is off because you forget the Old Testament.

I don’t care to hear about King Henry VIII’s vaginas.


24 posted on 07/26/2013 3:50:20 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Alex Murphy

The Presbyterians are still a going concern?


25 posted on 07/26/2013 3:52:10 PM PDT by RPTMS
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To: Alex Murphy

It was probably Pelosi or Biden.


26 posted on 07/26/2013 3:53:12 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Alex Murphy

Believe the Catholic who has authority to teach, inherited in a direct line from the apostles chosen by Christ. Preeminent among these would be the popes.

The Bible is most certainly a Catholic book.


27 posted on 07/26/2013 3:55:14 PM PDT by Romulus
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“What does a Roman Catholic need to do to join the Orthodox Presbyterian Church?”

Lose one’s mind.

Embrace Satan and all his empty promises.


28 posted on 07/26/2013 3:56:31 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Alex Murphy

OK...

i was recently told, BY A PROTESTENT..

that they believe the bible said to divorce at will and marry whoever because you are no longer physically attracted..

how does that sound???


29 posted on 07/26/2013 3:56:42 PM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: laplata

protestantism was born because henry wanted a different vagina...

this is how it is, i do not care what insignificant little crap balls you throw at me..


30 posted on 07/26/2013 3:57:46 PM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: vladimir998

Vlad, you’re something else, and I salute you.


31 posted on 07/26/2013 3:59:39 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: joe fonebone; All

“popes can be traced back to Peter...”


Does the RCC have a 2,000 year tradition that there is a Pope in Rome who is head over the entire church? Even in the days when the alleged supremacy of Peter came into vogue, not even the Bishop in Rome believed he was the only man who was the successor of Peter.

According to the Catechism, the Roman Bishop is:

882 ... the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.”402 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.”403

883 “The college or body of bishops has no authority unless united with the Roman Pontiff, Peter’s successor, as its head.” As such, this college has “supreme and full authority over the universal Church; but this power cannot be exercised without the agreement of the Roman Pontiff.”404

It was this same idea of “General Father” or a ‘Universal Bishop” that Gregory condemned in the then Bishop of Constantinople who had taken the title Universal Bishop:

“What then, dearest brother, will you say in that terrible scrutiny of the coming judgment, if you covet to be called in the world not only father, but even general father? Let, then, the bad suggestion of evil men be guarded against; let all instigation to offense be fled from. It must needs be (indeed) that offenses come; nevertheless, woe to that man by whom the offense comes Matthew 18:7. Lo, by reason of this execrable title of pride the Church is rent asunder, the hearts of all the brethren are provoked to offense. What! Has it escaped your memory how the Truth says, Whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a mill stone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea (Ib. 5:6)? But it is written, Charity seeks not her own 1 Corinthians 13:4. Lo, your Fraternity arrogates to itself even what is not its own. Again it is written, In honour preferring one another Romans 12:10. And you attempt to take the honour away from all which you desire unlawfully to usurp to yourself singularly. Where, dearest brother, is that which is written, Have peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord Hebrews 12:14? Where is that which is written, Blessed are the peacemakers; for they shall be called the children of God Matthew 5:9?”

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/360205018.htm

It wasn’t until one of Gregory’s successors, Boniface III, that the Roman Bishop petitioned the emperor for the title of Universal that they enjoy today.

Some Catholics can read this letter and say that Gregory only condemned the title, but not the power they claim he still possessed. However, there are other instances where Gregory could have embraced his power as “universal” Bishop of the entire church. While at this time the idea of the “Primacy of Peter” was in vogue, yet this same primacy was not translated to a supremacy over the entire church. And, in fact, there wasn’t just one person who held the “throne” of Peter; according to Gregory, it was held by one Apostolic see ruled by divine authority by THREE separate Bishops, which is that of Antioch, Alexandria and Rome. Here is the letter in full, but first I am going to quote the RCC abuse of it:

The link to the whole letter first
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/360207040.htm

Now here are the Roman quotations of this letter, wherein they assert that Gregory is a champion of the Primacy of Rome. Take special note of the clever use of ellipses:

Pope Gregory I

“Your most sweet holiness, [Bishop Eulogius of Alexandria], has spoken much in your letter to me about the chair of Saint Peter, prince of the apostles, saying that he himself now sits on it in the persons of his successors. And indeed I acknowledge myself to be unworthy . . . I gladly accepted all that has been said, in that he has spoken to me about Peter’s chair, who occupies Peter’s chair. And, though special honor to myself in no wise delights me . . . who can be ignorant that holy Church has been made firm in the solidity of the prince of the apostles, who derived his name from the firmness of his mind, so as to be called Peter from petra. And to him it is said by the voice of the Truth, ‘To you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven’ [Matt. 16:19]. And again it is said to him, ‘And when you are converted, strengthen your brethren’ [Luke 22:32]. And once more, ‘Simon, son of John, do you love me? Feed my sheep’ [John 21:17]” (Letters 40 [A.D. 597]).

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-authority-of-the-pope-part-ii

“Who does not know that the holy Church is founded on the solidity of the Chief Apostle, whose name expressed his firmness, being called Peter from Petra (Rock)?...Though there were many Apostles, only the See of the Prince of the Apostles...received supreme authority in virtue of its very principate.” (Letter to the Patriarch Eulogius of Alexandria, Ep. 7)

http://credo.stormloader.com/Ecumenic/gregory.htm

I provide their versions of the quotations only to highlight for you the parts they omit. And, really, there is no reason for them to omit them. The lines they remove are small sentences, and then they continue quoting right after they finish. It’s quite an embarrassing display!

In this letter, Gregory is specifically attributing to the Bishops of Alexandria and Antioch the “Chair of Peter” and its authority that they bestowed upon him. In the first quotation, the Romans omit the sentence which says: “And, though special honour to myself in no wise delights me, [they omit here] yet I greatly rejoiced because you, most holy ones, have given to yourselves what you have bestowed upon me. [They rebegin here]” After telling them about the “special honor” that is respectively given to both parties, Gregory immediately goes into a discussion on what that special honor is... which is the authority of Peter they all enjoy:

“Wherefore though there are many apostles, yet with regard to the principality itself the See of the Prince of the apostles alone has grown strong in authority, which in three places is the See of one. For he himself exalted the See in which he deigned even to rest and end the present life. He himself adorned the See to which he sent his disciple as evangelist. He himself established the See in which, though he was to leave it, he sat for seven years. Since then it is the See of one, and one See, over which by Divine authority three bishops now preside, whatever good I hear of you, this I impute to myself. If you believe anything good of me, impute this to your merits, since we are one in Him Who says, That they all may be one, as You, Father, art in me, and I in you that they also may be one in us John 17:21.”

Notice how different this reads when one does not omit what the Romans omit! Gregory declares that the See of Peter is one see... but in THREE places, over which THREE Bishops preside, which is Rome, Antioch and Alexandria, the latter of which he was now writing to.

So while the Romans insist that the Primacy of Peter refers to the Bishop of Rome, Gregory applies the Primacy of Peter to ALL the major Bishops of the See. They are, in effect, ALL the Church of Peter, and possess his chair and authority.

And Gregory, of course, isn’t alone in this. Theodoret references the same belief when he places the “throne of Peter” under the Bishop of Antioch:

“Dioscorus, however, refuses to abide by these decisions; he is turning the See of the blessed Mark upside down; and these things he does though he perfectly well knows that the Antiochene (of Antioch) metropolis possesses the throne of the great Peter, who was teacher of the blessed Mark, and first and coryphæus (head of the choir) of the chorus of the apostles.” Theodoret - Letter LXXXVI - To Flavianus, Bishop of Constantinople.

So while you may have particular people saying that the Roman Bishop has authority, or has the chair of Peter, yet these same accolades are given to multiple Bishops, all said to have the “throne” or authority of “Peter.” Furthermore, this authority, at best, consisted only as a place of honor, and not one that the various Christian churches across the world took as the “final say” on matters of doctrine or canonicity (just ask the Eastern Orthodox, the other guys who claim to be THE Holy and Apostolic Church of God on Earth).


32 posted on 07/26/2013 3:59:45 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Alex Murphy
You'll have to take that up with the non-Protestant Jehovah's Witnesses.

The Catholics (and other Christians) do not consider Jehovah Witnesses to be Christians, Catholic Answers lists them in non-Christian cults alongside Mormons, yet on religion threads I see what appear to be Catholics, using the non-christian cults to attack Christians and trying to confuse the non-Christian theologies with Christianity, it seems pretty strange and it must be confusing to many Christians reading their posts.

33 posted on 07/26/2013 4:02:32 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: joe fonebone

protestantism was born because henry wanted a different vagina...

this is how it is, i do not care what insignificant little crap balls you throw at me..


I know about Henry and his church.

You are conveniently forgetting to address the Old Testament.

I think your gutter language is atrocious.


34 posted on 07/26/2013 4:03:00 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: 353FMG

Thanks. I think. :)


35 posted on 07/26/2013 4:05:12 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

The funny things is that you actually believe you are posting things that somehow overturn what was previously said. It doesn’t matter when the title “Universal” was asked for by a pope, for instance.


36 posted on 07/26/2013 4:07:26 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“The funny things is that you actually believe you are posting things that somehow overturn what was previously said. It doesn’t matter when the title “Universal” was asked for by a pope, for instance.”


Certainly it does, because the RCC claims that the Pope has always had “universal” power in the church, as defined by the RCC, and therefore it is impossible for a Pope to ask an Emperor for something that he already had, or that a Pope previously claimed he didn’t have, and that authority was shared by three successors of Peter, and not one, in that See.


37 posted on 07/26/2013 4:10:19 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: joe fonebone
"pretty simple really"

Simple minded you must mean. Hebrews and Jews for the most part wrote the Bible. Catholics may claim to compile these books wrote by other peoples but with the passage of time that may not be correct either. But Catholics did NOT WRITE the Bible. Peter was a Jew as well as Paul. Pretty simple really, if you are willing to just follow the timeline... of when the beginnings of the Catholic Church really started.

38 posted on 07/26/2013 4:13:46 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Jesus gave His Word and life for us. Catholics made a franchise.)
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To: BipolarBob

Why are you even talking about the Bible? What makes you think it’s the word of God?


39 posted on 07/26/2013 4:21:25 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: BipolarBob

Hebrews and Jews for the most part wrote the Bible. Catholics may claim to compile these books wrote by other peoples but with the passage of time that may not be correct either. But Catholics did NOT WRITE the Bible. Peter was a Jew as well as Paul. Pretty simple really, if you are willing to just follow the timeline... of when the beginnings of the Catholic Church really started.


You are correct.


40 posted on 07/26/2013 4:24:39 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: joe fonebone
You have made several totally false, hostile and misleading statements here already. I suggest you shut up, go home, and educate yourself before smearing your spew here any further. Lying bigots like you unfairly contaminate the air about the Catholic Church.
41 posted on 07/26/2013 4:24:54 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: laplata
catholics wrote the bible

Please explain that.

As a Roman Catholic with no intention on changing faiths, I would love to hear that, too.
42 posted on 07/26/2013 4:28:03 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Romulus

In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God and the Word was God. His Word will last forever (unlike denominations). Do you suppose Heaven will be divided up with Baptists over here and Catholics over there? Is that what you think?


43 posted on 07/26/2013 4:29:06 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Jesus gave His Word and life for us. Catholics made a franchise.)
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To: 98ZJ USMC

We won’t hear any more of it. :)


44 posted on 07/26/2013 4:30:53 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata

wow..

please tell me where in the old testament you can just leave your wife and screw whoever you want whenever you want..

tell me where a marriage in a church, recognized by god, can be set aside just because you feel like it..

please, point out the old testament passages..

until then, i do not care what you say..

quote all the bible passages you wish, and please be sure to take them out of context, like most protestants i have met and discussed this with..

catholics have been studing the bible for millenium..

your so called pastor has his own interpretations, derived from his own feelings, and manipulted to suit whatever needs or discussions he needs to make..

give me a break pal...


45 posted on 07/26/2013 4:30:58 PM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: joe fonebone

Don’t hold back. tell us how you really feel.


47 posted on 07/26/2013 4:39:04 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Jesus gave His Word and life for us. Catholics made a franchise.)
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To: BipolarBob

No, what I think is that you’re evading an important question. Why do you believe the Bible is from God?


48 posted on 07/26/2013 4:41:39 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

Evading questions have just become second nature to me I guess. I’m still getting a buzz from joe fonebone. The Bible claims to be revelations from God to His sheep. It either is or isn’t. I made an independent decision, based on the evidence, that it was. Good enough? Or do I need to throw in the minutes of some Councils meetings from years past?


49 posted on 07/26/2013 4:46:51 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Jesus gave His Word and life for us. Catholics made a franchise.)
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To: joe fonebone

Please name a Catholic who wrote any of the Old Testament.


50 posted on 07/26/2013 4:59:40 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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